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Boot CD from grub4dos on HDD
Posted: Sun 16 Jan 2011, 13:33
by shinobar
bigpup wrote:title Boot CD-ROM - (cd0)
cdrom --init
map --hook
chainloader (cd0)
rootnoverify (cd0)
Thanks bigpup for the interesting information.
It may depend on the hardware/BIOS.
As for my PC, it doesn't work. The grub4dos seems not recognize the device 'cd0'.
It's strange while my PC/BIOS can boot the cd...
Posted: Sun 16 Jan 2011, 13:51
by bigpup
Did you give the CD drive a little time to spin up after you inserted the CD?
The Grub4dos guide has other options to try.
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/boot.htm#cd
Re: Boot CD from grub4dos on HDD
Posted: Sun 16 Jan 2011, 20:31
by shinobar
My cd has serial ata interface, that is the reason grub4dos cannot recognize it as cd0 i guess.
Of course it may also depend on the BIOS.
floppy disc
Posted: Tue 18 Jan 2011, 12:53
by yordanj94
Hi Shinobar.
Today i installed the last unstable version and tried to install on floppy disc .
I couldn't and got this massage :
/usr/sbin/grub4dosconfig
version 1.6d9
Tue Jan 18 14:28:28 UTC 2011
BINSTALLER=bootlace.com
sda(MBR)_41.1GB_ATA_ExcelStor_Techno
fd0_(FLOPPY_DISK)
sdb_1.9GB_Corsair_Flash_Voyager_
sda1/lucid/lupq-511.sfs|lupq_511
sda1/wary/wary_500.sfs|wary_500
sda4/boot/vmlinuz|Wary_Puppy_500
sdb1|Unknown
mkfs.msdos 3.0.7 (24 Dec 2009)
Wrigting... /mnt/fd0/menu.lst
Failed to make 'menu.lst'.
Installing bootloader on floppy...
Error: Invalid option.
BOOTLACE writes GRLDR BOOT RECORD to MBR or to the boot area of a file system.
Usage: bootlace.com [OPTIONS] DEVICE_OR_FILE
Options: --read-only, --floppy[=N], --boot-prevmbr-first, --boot-prevmbr-last,
--no-backup-mbr, --force-backup-mbr, --mbr-enable-floppy, --mbr-disable-floppy,
--mbr-enable-osbr, --mbr-disable-osbr, --duce, --time-out=T, --hot-key=K,
--preferred-drive=D, --preferred-partition=P, --sectors-per-track=S, --heads=H,
--start-sector=B, --total-sectors=C, --install-partition=I, --lba, --chs,
--fat12, --fat16, --fat32, --vfat, --ntfs, --ext2, --serial-number=SN,
--restore-mbr, --mbr-no-bpb, --chs-no-tune
DEVICE_OR_FILE: Filename of the device or image. For DOS, a BIOS drive number
(in hex 0xHH or decimal DDD format)can be used to access the drive.
Failed to install bootlace.com.
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Re: floppy disc (v1.6.9)
Posted: Wed 19 Jan 2011, 02:00
by shinobar
Thanks, yordanj94. Confirmed.
There is a typo in /usr/sbin/grub4dosconfig at line 1495(number of hyphen'-' should both be 2).
Wrong:
Correct:
OPT="--floppy --chs"
Another issue on floppy install: The grub4doscpnfig 1.6.9 gives warning that the MBR is not botable for the floppy install. Ignore the warning please.
Sorry for your inconvenience.
Posted: Wed 19 Jan 2011, 11:41
by yordanj94
Hi Shinobar.
No,no you don't have to be sorry.
You are the one who does the hard work.
Like now.
Everything is fine and works well.
Thanks again.
/usr/sbin/grub4dosconfig
version 1.6d9
Failed to make 'menu.lst
Posted: Wed 19 Jan 2011, 11:54
by shinobar
yordanj94 wrote:Wrigting... /mnt/fd0/menu.lst
Failed to make 'menu.lst'.
I don't know why is written ,but i do have "menu" list and works ?
It's another bug of logging v1.6.9, but works. Please ignore.
It will be fixed at the next release.
Thanks.
Posted: Fri 21 Jan 2011, 08:39
by nooby
quote JustGreg
Nooby,
Please look at this "How to" at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39499
It should help. I found it by searching on Grub4Dos. It addresses Vista.
Thank you, Shinobar for posting the pet and information. I will have to take another look at grub4Dos. I have been using Grub since it comes with Puppy.
unquote
thanks Greg I go there and look. I want to install Minino Linux on an USB later today and will use config to set it up.
Some thing with software made this not readable so I quote it to see if it gets readable
Grub4DosConfig v1.6.9.1 (21 Jan 2011)
Posted: Fri 21 Jan 2011, 09:41
by shinobar
V1.6.9.1 bugfix release:
was failed installing on floppy(thanks to yordanj94), pmedia option
Note that v1.6.9x are beta testing.
The last stable is grub4dos-0.4.4.v1.6.3.
Posted: Fri 21 Jan 2011, 15:12
by nooby
Shinobar. I tried to get Minino Linux to boot in frugal install on my HDD but failed.
then I thought of Grub4DosConfig and I moved all the iso files to a new 4GB USB mem stick Kingston drive. First I forgot to set the flag to boot.
But it failed to boot using an USB too. maybe it can only boot from CD?
I tried to format another drive bit gparted in Snow Puppy failed to forat it. Unknown format it says.
Any suggestion on how to get it to boot?
No I don't want to go into Ms Win7 to do unetboot in to do it.
Minino Linux
Posted: Sat 22 Jan 2011, 02:14
by shinobar
nooby wrote:I tried to get Minino Linux to boot in frugal install on my HDD but failed.
Minino Linux seems not support frugal install.
If you want to boot minino from USB, you can get the USB image, minino12.dd.bz2.
Follow the direction on the minino linux web site.
http://minino.galpon.org/wiki/doku.php? ... pon_minino
You need a USB drive larger than 4GB. EDIT:
4GB and larger.
Posted: Sat 22 Jan 2011, 06:56
by nooby
Thanks Shinobar, wow larger than 4. That is the largerst I ahve apart from external usb HDD them being 10GB to 38 and 100GB something old abandoned spinning HDDs
But I want a silent computer and they whine a lot.
I give up on it that is better. I wish all Linux Distros to be made for Frugal Install. So practical when they have no CD built in.
minino onusb
Posted: Sat 22 Jan 2011, 07:29
by shinobar
nooby wrote:wow larger than 4.
Well, 4GB is OK.
Posted: Sat 22 Jan 2011, 09:04
by nooby
Okay but I am too impatient to learn all that stuff now just for to be able to see how it behaves. If it not work easily to do a frugal install on HDD then it is not worth it for me unless everybody have tested it and says it is better than both Puppy Linux and Knoppix latest version and then I sure will try that descritption.
Thanks for taking time to explain it to me.
What Linux Distro works best with grub4dosconfig doing frugal install on NTFS HDD apart from Puppy Linux?
frugal install supprted by pupsaveconfig
Posted: Wed 26 Jan 2011, 20:48
by shinobar
nooby wrote:What Linux Distro works best with grub4dosconfig doing frugal install on NTFS HDD apart from Puppy Linux?
The pupsaveconfig supports
wubi installed ones including
jolicloud other than puppy.
It can boot up them directly, means without the help of the windows ntldr/bootmgr.
Drive 1 is dead. Can GRUB4DOS bail me out?
Posted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 09:13
by gcmartin
I've lost the 1st (main) HDD on a 2 HDD system.
Tthe system has always been a MS configured system with an XP built MBR. All HDDs and I/O devices are IDE class.
Drive 1 - The main drive's MBR pointed to Partition 1 (a hidden parttiton) containing a samll Windows bootable backup partiton with the PC's boot.ini file for all bootable OS. Now that this drive1 is dead, theere is no valid MBR + boot.ini to get the system booted.
Drive 2 is a larger drive with freespace (enough to accommodate all of drive 1's partitions). And drive 2 has all of the running OSes in their own partitions here.
The way the system used to work before drive 1 crashed, today, is the system would boot, the boot.ini on drive 1-partition 1 would be invoked and the MS Boot Manager would display. If no selection was made, the system would proceed to boot a Windows which physically is on drive 2.
Here's my question as I think GRUB4DOS may be a blessing in this situation. Assuming I remove Drive 1 from the system.
- Can I use GRUB4DOS, either via your CD or via a boot diskette to start the OS on the remaining system drive (drive2)?
- Can I instruct GRUB4DOS to search the remaining drives for OSs? I know I can use a running QuickSEt to see the partitions by mounting drive2.
- If I get QuickSet or GRUB4DOS diskette to get to the GRUB4DOS menu, can I hit esc, type "e" or "c" and enter a couple of commands to manually kick the system to boot? This assumes I know the partition number(s) I want to boot
. - Do you have an example somewhere?
All OSs on the HDDs in this system are XP class OSes.
Thanks in advance for your insights
Re: Drive 1 is dead. Can GRUB4DOS bail me out?
Posted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 10:52
by shinobar
gcmartin wrote:[*]Can I instruct GRUB4DOS to search the remaining drives for OSs? I know I can use a running QuickSEt to see the partitions by mounting drive2.
Then, you cannot mount or look inside the drive1 now, right?
If so, remove the drive 1 and set the drive 2 as the master.
Then run some live CD which contains the Grub4Dos (most of all Puppy 5.x).
Run the Grub4Dos config and reply 'OK' for all the dialog. That is all.
If you can mount the drive1 and look inside the partitions, there is a chance to rescue it with the LupQ-511 live CD or Wary-500m06.
Posted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 20:02
by gcmartin
Double post: User (me) error.
Re: Drive 1 is dead. Can GRUB4DOS bail me out?
Posted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 21:48
by gcmartin
shinobar wrote:Then, you cannot mount or look inside the drive1 now, right?
Correct. The drive is dead and removed from the PC.
shinobar wrote:If so, remove the drive 1 and set the drive 2 as the master. Then run some live CD which contains the Grub4Dos (most of all Puppy 5.x). Run the Grub4Dos config and reply 'OK' for all the dialog. That is all. ...
By doing this, it wil install GRUB$DOS onto the existing harddrive, Right? Why is there a need to do this if I just use the startup QuicSET LiveCD wiich has an operational running GRUB4DOS all ready when started. Is this a reasonalble approach or am I missing something?
P.S. @Shinobar, See
your PM
Re: Drive 1 is dead. Can GRUB4DOS bail me out?
Posted: Thu 03 Feb 2011, 00:42
by shinobar
gcmartin wrote:shinobar wrote:If so, remove the drive 1 and set the drive 2 as the master. Then run some live CD which contains the Grub4Dos (most of all Puppy 5.x). Run the Grub4Dos config and reply 'OK' for all the dialog. That is all. ...
By doing this, it wil install GRUB4DOS onto the existing harddrive, Right? Why is there a need to do this if I just use the startup QuicSET LiveCD wiich has an operational running GRUB4DOS all ready when started. Is this a reasonalble approach or am I missing something?
Why not install new gurub4dos on the new HDD? It must be easier.
Well, all the files which was on the damaged HDD is backed up on the new HDD?
If so, the Quickset Live CD can directly boot up the windows.
The new quickset, multilingual wary-500m06 Live CD can boot up also another OS if there used be installed any of grub(legacy, grub4dos or grub2).
But you get success only if the partition layout is the same as before. Otherwise, you need to edit the old menu.list.
Grub4Dos and grub2 can manage the partition UID's. If the old system was using the partition UID, using the old menu.list must fail because the partition UID must be different from the old ones.
If you install new gurub4dos, the correction is made automatically.