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Thank you Billtoo for your prompt help.
Michael.

I did a full install to the 1st hard drive of my Compaq desktop pc:

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.13.0-1-686-pae i686 bits: 32 gcc: 6.3.0
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.31) dm: lightdm Distro: MX-17_386 Horizon December 15, 2017
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq Presario 061 product: DQ182A-ABA S6700NX NA410 v: 0nB1411RE101COBRA10 serial: N/A
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Cobra v: 1.xx serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: 3.28 date: 08/27/2004
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh volts: NA
model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M215 2nd Gen serial: 401b-d0-dc-56-59 status: Discharging
CPU: Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-MT-) arch: Netburst Prescott rev.3 cache: 1024 KB
flags: (pae sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 5600
clock speeds: max: 2800 MHz 1: 2800 MHz 2: 2800 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV530 [Radeon X1600 PRO] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:71c2
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV530 version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 Direct Render: Yes
Audio: Card Creative Labs CA0106/CA0111 [SB Live!/Audigy/X-Fi Series]
driver: snd_ca0106 port: bc00 bus-ID: 02:0a.0 chip-ID: 1102:0007
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-1-686-pae
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: b000 bus-ID: 02:0f.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8139
IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:0e:a6:79:5d:e4
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W]
driver: rt73usb v: 2.3.0 usb-ID: 001-003 chip-ID: 07d1:3c03
IF: wlan0 state: N/A mac: N/A
Drives: HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (2.6% used)
ID-1: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD1600BB size: 160.0GB serial: WD-WMAL92648553
ID-2: /dev/sda model: ST3160021A size: 160.0GB serial: 3JS2YSBK
Partition: ID-1: / size: 144G used: 5.6G (5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
ID-3: swap-2 size: 0.27GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb2
Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Weather: Conditions: 0 F (-18 C) - light showers snow Wind: From the East at 6 MPH Humidity: 66%
Pressure: 30.36 in (1028 mb) Time: January 1, 12:40 PM EST (America/Toronto)
Info: Processes: 183 Uptime: 44 min Memory: 308.2/2273.2MB
Init: SysVinit v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Gcc sys: 6.3.0
Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121 running in xfce4-terminal) inxi: 2.3.53

I installed a few extra applications with synaptic, it's working well, about the same as Dpup Stretch 7.5

I know I've commented before on the smart-alecky and sarcastic error messages Salix sometimes throws up when you do something wrong, but today I saw one which truly took the biscuit. This was an actual message I got when trying to type in a password on an XFce terminal so that I could mount a USB drive;

"Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?"

I must admit I laughed, but I can well imagine that some people with a psychiatric history which involved highly invasive treatments like that one would be highly offended by that remark.

I'll continue to use Salix because for my money it's one of the best looking of all the Linux distros I've seen recently and it's stable and reliable, but it's my view that the devs of that distro presume heavily upon their users' tolerance.

Hi all,

Going to use two posts here (given the murga 'number of pics' posting limit in one msg) to show you AntiX-17. It is so easy to install 'fully', or if you're like me and love 'frugal' installs, it is even easier to install it 'frugally'. In fact, Puppy has no longer anything on either AntiX and/or MX-Linux concerning frugal installs. But even better is the wealth of programs that come with AntiX/MX-Linux compared to pups, and the ease of use in choices, installing, etc. All I can say overall is this: do you love ease of use, a great Control Center app (pics provided, with an eample of "Popular Packages", yet you still have Synaptic & apt-get at your fingertips too). Have you ever wanted to run your apps in the secure, lockdown Firejail? And do this with the ease of one-click setup of any app? Do you want ease of one browser opened in Firejail and another not? (this is awesome!) Do you love combos of JWM-Rox-IceWM for your DE environment, all at one click setup (again, check the pics )? How about gorgeous Themes? So many themes (63 currently) & customization options that it will leave you with a smile as you one-click choices (in pic, I've chosen an AntiX pumpkin, absolutely love it). How aboutsimple and clear remastering, with popup info boxes explaining every single thing (again, unlike any pup I know, which leaves you guessing most of the time).

Overall, I cannot urge you enough to give antiX a spin with 'frugal' persistence set up (or even full install if you want). If you go the 'frugal' route, you'll be amazed that inside the Control Center, all 'frugal' and 'persistence' choices are there to set up the very first time you run the ISO. You just click your choices! I mean, holy crap, it is fantastic. There's no muss and no fuss, Additionally, you can set up just a "home" directory persistence while leaving root untouchable. This is something no Pup is even approaching right now.

Imho, AntiX-17 is the best thing going in the Linux universe at the moment. I've tested it across my laptops, AMD and Intel, across very old and not so old machines, and it just runs with aplomb and verve, and the family loves it. Hope you enjoy the pics. :

...the rest of the pics ....

And no Systemd.......if it matters......

backi wrote:And no Systemd.......if it matters......

I think it's good to have the choice. I've recently done a distro-upgrade on MX-16, which is based on AntiX, and it's working really well.

backi wrote:And no Systemd.......if it matters......

I think you are wrong. This release is based on MX Linux, which does have systemd - lots of it. Just like Debian - its parent distro. There's a difference, hoever: MX uses sysvinit as its init process and Debian uses systemd. But you can easily switch between the two.

anikin wrote:

backi wrote:And no Systemd.......if it matters......

I think you are wrong. This release is based on MX Linux, which does have systemd - lots of it. Just like Debian - its parent distro. There's a difference, hoever: MX uses sysvinit as its init process and Debian uses systemd. But you can easily switch between the two.

backi is right and you are the one who is wrong. antiX does not have systemd, libystemd nor any shims.
Look at the package list from here if you want to check.

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distr ... 17#pkglist

Also you have it back to front. MX is based off antiX!

anticapitalista wrote:

anikin wrote:

backi wrote:And no Systemd.......if it matters......

I think you are wrong. This release is based on MX Linux, which does have systemd - lots of it. Just like Debian - its parent distro. There's a difference, hoever: MX uses sysvinit as its init process and Debian uses systemd. But you can easily switch between the two.

backi is right and you are the one who is wrong. antiX does not have systemd, libystemd nor any shims.
Look at the package list from here if you want to check.

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distr ... 17#pkglist

Also you have it back to front. MX is based off antiX!

My knowledge was based on MX, which did have systemd and I have never been a fan of antix:

MX Linux ships with systemd present but disabled by default. The MX Linux team strongly urges users to remain with this configuration which uses sysvinit instead. This page simply provides information for those interested in the question.

https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd
... Now that MX is married to antix, you must have purged systemd. Congratulations! ... and no need to get hysterical.

Based on the good things said about AntiX here, I gave it a whirl. It looks great but there's a deal breaker: it won't adjust to a comfortable resolution for me. I use an hdmi cable into my Sony Bravia TV. Puppy automatically adjusts everything to a comfortable size on my resolution of choice, AntiX wouldn't. Everything is microscopically small or stretched off the screen

Is MX worth a go or will it likely be the same outcome?

I've just installed the beta of Absolute 15, which is based on Slackware although it has IceWM as its standard manager. It's working well and although it doesn't have the full complement of software it ised to have you can easily install extras such as Midnight Commander from the slack files using installpkg.

I feel it's not for people who want to be "wowed" with a vibrant colour scheme and artwork though; the themes which are provided are all very understated and, with the possible exception of the Earth-from-space shot on the Linux World wallpaper, I don't think the wallpapers supplied are up to much.

redandwhitestripes wrote:Based on the good things said about AntiX here, I gave it a whirl. It looks great but there's a deal breaker: it won't adjust to a comfortable resolution for me. I use an hdmi cable into my Sony Bravia TV. Puppy automatically adjusts everything to a comfortable size on my resolution of choice, AntiX wouldn't. Everything is microscopically small or stretched off the screen

Is MX worth a go or will it likely be the same outcome?

Dedoimedo's just given MX-17 a very positive review on his blog;

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/mx-17.html

Just updated openbsd 6.2 --current for the new Intel firmware security patches and after trying several of the mirrors I got the same checksum mismatch errors for a number of the .tgz's. Suspect that will wash in a day or two's time.

Yep, all fine after another recent install.

I've switched over to using grub2 as my bootloader as that supports kopenbsd /bsd.rd i.e. I can use Linux to download the latest OBSD snapshot bsd.rd file to the / folder of Linux, and then boot that in order to (re)install (or update) OBSD.

I edited /etc/grub.d/40_custom to contain ... where my OBSD partition is sda4, and the bootloader menu now includes those two additional boot options.

Makes reinstalling or updating to the latest snapshot easier (one less reboot involved). I have a script that I store on a linux partition that I mount and run after installation that does all my configuring of OBSD, so literally takes just minute to install and configure.

EDIT:

Reinstalling grub4dos again and adding a menu.lst entry of chains from the grub4dos menu to the grub2 menu.

I installed Ubuntu 17.10.1 to the hard drive of my Acer desktop:

System: Host: bill-Aspire-M5620 Kernel: 4.13.0-30-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.26.2
Distro: Ubuntu 17.10
Machine: Device: desktop System: ACER product: Aspire M5620 v: R01-A4 serial: N/A
Mobo: ACER model: G33T-AM v: 1.0 serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: R01-A4 date: 12/19/2007
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
hidpp__1: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU: Quad core Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1603/2403 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 ) drivers: nvidia (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 384.111
Network: Card-1: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W] driver: rt73usb
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (1.7% used)
Info: Processes: 245 Uptime: 1:07 Memory: 1805.3/7976.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.37

I read the instructions on how to get the Spectre Mitigation Updates
Available for Testing in Ubuntu Proposed and enabled it.

I added applications etc, and it's working okay so far.

Updated my frugal-install persist-choice-on-shutdown MX-17 64-bit. Having both the ease of updates (and notifications), which are hassle free, along with being a 'frugal' install with choice on persistence at shutdown (whether to save session, root and/or home), has made this the go to OS in the 'frugal' Linux world. It runs super and quick, and I am even using an old 10MB-write-speed/4MB read-speed USB 2.0 stick on an 10 yr old motherboard with an Athlon X2 chip. How is that possible? Because among the many things MX-Linux provides, it is super easy to check the "boot-options" box that you want the complete "linuxfs' (which holds everything) loaded into RAM at boot. Bingo, you've got lickety-split speeds just like any pup.

It's not fiction to say that all puppies (and possibly ddogs) have been usurped by MX_linux/AntiX with the GUI ease of use for updates, boot settings, and everything else (like the power of "Firejail" and "Firetools" integrated into the OS, where it's available for any program with one-click ease). Give MX-Linux/AntiX a try, you will not be disappointed. Your world will be opened with the power of always knowing you're updated to the very latest fixes, yet you're running "frugally" and totally in RAM, with a choice to save either home and/or root at shutdown. It is beautiful.

belham2 wrote: It's not fiction to say that all puppies (and possibly ddogs) have been usurped by MX_linux/AntiX with the GUI ease of use for updates, boot settings, and everything else (like the power of "Firejail" and "Firetools" integrated into the OS, where it's available for any program with one-click ease). Give MX-Linux/AntiX a try, you will not be disappointed. Your world will be opened with the power of always knowing you're updated to the very latest fixes, yet you're running "frugally" and totally in RAM, with a choice to save either home and/or root at shutdown. It is beautiful.

No doubt distributions from that stable will be excellent. I thought of trying both Anti-X and MX-Linux some time ago but haven't bothered for one main reason - I want a Ubuntu-based distribution (they are Debian-based) because some apps my family use are packaged specifically for Ubuntu - and also, unlike many here, I want systemd because sysVinit was long needing replaced (I also want pulseaudio - oh well...). However, any comparison to Pup/Dog offerings is also apples versus oranges in terms of intial download size: MX-Linux is a 1.2GB download (do correct me if I'm wrong) and AntiX almost 800GB (more than twice the size of the Dogs or Pups) - that's not a big deal but still a factor in any reasonable comparison. The Dogs have full apt/Synaptics capabilities anyway - so I can easily add any program I want without that extra stuff I don't need or want. I certainly don't want XFCE (not hugely resource heavy, but too heavy for my own wishes (though easy enough to apt-get to a Dog if I ever wanted it) - simple Openbox with Roxpinboard/tint2 is what I really prefer - love the simple combination). To run any reasonably well-featured desktop-based system in RAM will always need lots of RAM - my laptop only has 2GB - no way it could run any such system fully from RAM.

However, just to test the look and feel I'll give MX-linux a try sometime.

But XenialDog64 fits my own personal Dog needs almost perfectly (hard to fault at all actually) and for pups I generally use Slacko64, but XenialPup not too bad either - all can be tailored/fine-tuned/dressed-up easily enough, so can't see the point of going for a bigger distribution like MX-linux really anyway (though I'd be more interested if they were Ubuntu-based), but fine, I will try it to see if I truly find anything there facility-wise I'd like to also see in my XenialDog - easy enough to borrow/copy any nice facilities I'm sure.

I suppose I could try AntiX core since that's about Pup/Dog-size but MXLinux functionality probably more interesting. I'm wondering if systemd is an option provided (I guess not). EDIT: Oops... AntiX core doesn't include X - em, ok, has to be full versions to try I'm afraid.

wiak

....MX-17 followup (from above)

Almost forgot, wanted to say MX-17 comes with "Featherpad" as its default text-editor. Having used Featherpad for a bit now,. I actually think it is better than Gedit and/or Leafpad. Lightweight and qt5, being independent of any desktop, is nice, and the features are great:


-Drag-and-drop support, including tab detachment and attachment;
-X11 virtual desktop awareness (using tabs on current desktop but opening a new window on another);
-An optionally permanent search-bar with a different search entry for each tab;
-Instant highlighting of found matches when searching;
-A docked window for text replacement;
-Support for showing line numbers and jumping to a specific line;
-Automatic detection of text encoding as far as possible and optional saving with encoding;
-Syntax highlighting for common programming languages;
-Session management;
-Side-pane mode;
-Printing;
-Text zooming;
-Appropriate but non-interrupting prompts; and
-Other features that can be found in its settings, on its menus or when it is actually used.

I may give compiling Featherpad a go in a pup, probably in radky's excellent dpup. I'll post the 'compile result' in Utilities if anyone wants to try it. For reference, here's the Featherpad homepage on Github:

https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad