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Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 04:29
by Flash
I for one couldn't agree more. The beauty of running from a CD or DVD is that it offers the option of turning it into a multisession CD or DVD, which is the lazy man's way of remastering.
Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 05:15
by greengeek
WindUpToy wrote:Or are some people just too mean to "waste" discs that only cost 18cents each?
I've now got about 100 CDs with versions of puppy on them. Some are useful in CD form, but some not. If I had burnt all of the new versions of puppy isos that I have seen online that total would be closer to 200.
It is nice to be able to trial a new iso without being forced to burn a CD every time (time consuming as well as costing me about 40cents per CD. How are you managing to get them for 18c each?? Not fair!)
Many people have netbooks that don't have CD drives in any case, so it is handy to explore ways of trialling new versions of puppy without going via CD.
Of particular interest (to me anyway) in this topic is the idea of hosting the isos on a network and directly booting the iso via PXE. It is a great way to get my family and friends to see how puppy works on their machines, without installation, and whether or not they have a CD drive in their machines.
Also, I often find when I reach for a CDR that the kids have grabbed the lot and burnt mp3s. Nothing left for the oldies. I still haven't found my old CDRWs yet - shows how messy my back room is.
Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 08:33
by kooliepup
How are you managing to get them for 18c each?? Not fair!)
I'm paying $9-something, maybe $9.99 for 50 at ALDI. (A+ grade). About 20c. each.
CDs are available at markets for about 18c or less. (B+ B- and C+ grades), but never had an issue with those when I was using them.
You may be surprised at the low grades of the big name brands.
The Philips I used to use were C+.
I never knew what an A+ was until I started using Aldi's.
Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 10:14
by nooby
Philips here in Sweden where very cheap but many of them totally failed
I tested three of them yesterday none of them worked.
Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 19:27
by musher0
Flash wrote:I for one couldn't agree more. The beauty of running from a CD or DVD is that it offers the option of turning it into a multisession CD or DVD, which is the lazy man's way of remastering.
As well, even if you make a pup-save file on your HD, your CD becomes your key to your system, thus a safety feature: no optical disk, then no access to Puppy.
That said, I'll still try out some of nooby's grub listings. It would be nice to be able to run say a Mepis or a Ubuntu from iso and have a persistent file.
BFN.
Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 19:49
by nooby
Hi there Musher.
I'll still try out some of nooby's grub listings. It would be nice to be able to run say a Mepis or a Ubuntu from iso and have a persistent file.
Not Mepis just now but maybe in future but almost Mepis named AntiX.
I try to find thread.
http://antix.freeforums.org/live-persis ... t3604.html
I guess that would work for frugal on ext2 and ext3 too.
Two guys at AntiX worked on it for years wanting this to work.
Thankfully they achieved it in the end. Good work indeed.
PCLinuxOS have persistence since 2010 but not iso boot?
Not sure but frugal boot on ext3 or ext2 or other linux but not NTFS.
I wish somebody could teach us to get persistence from my
"cheat" booting of LinuxMint and other ubuntu varieties.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.ph ... #msg887040
Code: Select all
menuentry "pclinuxos-phoenix-2012-02.iso" {
recordfail
insmod ext2
set root='(hd0,1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set xxxxxxx
linux (hd0,1)/isolinux/vmlinuz root=UUID=xxxxxxx BOOT_IMAGE=LiveCD livecd=livecd initrd=initrd.gz bootfrom=/dev/sda1 changes_dev=/dev/sda1 acpi=on fstab=rw,auto
initrd (hd0,1)/isolinux/initrd.gz
}
AntiX if I remember don't want us to be root?
While PCLOS seems to accept it even if they maybe are against it?
Posted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 06:24
by WindUpToy
"How are you managing to get them for 18c each?"
Actually I bought some yesterday for .16 each from the trash market.
Haven't tried them yet.
Maybe even able to get them cheaper online from China.
Never thought of that before. I'll follow that up.
Posted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 08:46
by greengeek
WindUpToy wrote:
Actually I bought some yesterday for .16 each from the trash market.
Haven't tried them yet.
Dang Australians! Evrything's better over there!
Posted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 09:05
by kooliepup
Heh heh.
That seems to be the opinion of half your former population who now live here.
Posted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 13:44
by WindUpToy
Haven't found any cheapies from China yet, but came across these while looking.
"People Aren't Buying Blank CDs Any More, So Collection Agency Demands Media Levy Expanded To Mobile Phones"
The plan is to tax mobile phones 100 kronor (about $14), because having the government step in and force people to give you money is, you know, a lot easier than actually having to work for a living.
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/a ... 0298.shtml
I used to think that Sweden seemed to be a great place,
but after the Julian Assange extradition shonkyness, and numerous other devious happenings, it seems that Sweden is the pits.
On the other hand:
"Australia To Explore Adding Greater Copyright Exceptions"
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201203 ... ions.shtml
Dang Australians! Evrything's better over there!
I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Posted: Fri 25 May 2012, 10:18
by greengeek
Posted: Mon 29 Oct 2012, 05:51
by greengeek
Another suggestion along the lines of having an "experimental iso" folder in the boot directory:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... &start=297
I need to find a way of automating this process. Will get there eventually - just don't have the scripting skills yet. Workin' on it tho'...
Posted: Sun 23 Dec 2012, 17:33
by greengeek
I haven't gone any further with the Vbox method yet, but when I do, this other post includes some info (link to an online tutorial) which has some basic, useful pointers about setting up a puppy on vbox:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82492
Direct link to tutorial here:
http://fermatslastspreadsheet.com/2012/ ... or-coding/
Would this be a help on this thread's topic?
Posted: Mon 24 Dec 2012, 18:24
by gcmartin
I created
this document several months ago. It was inspired in large part by JamesBond for FATDOG booting of an ISO.
Hope it is helpful to those here, for, I envision that it can support booting in a Virtual Machine.
You may comment on that information either there or in the forum.
Here to help
Re: Would this be a help on this thread's topic?
Posted: Mon 24 Dec 2012, 20:38
by jpeps
gcmartin wrote:I created
this document several months ago. It was inspired in large part by JamesBond for FATDOG booting of an ISO.
Hope it is helpful to those here, for, I envision that it can support booting in a Virtual Machine.
You may comment on that information either there or in the forum.
Here to help
FAT16 doesn't support drives larger than 2GB, in addition to wasting a lot of space. It was used back in the days before 512MB drives. I don't think you need a permanent document illustrating the errors you received due to incorrect formatting.
re: updated file: Interesting that ext2 didn't work..might have something to do with the bootloader? FAT32 is probably more comportable.
Posted: Wed 26 Dec 2012, 17:38
by linuxcbon
Posted: Wed 26 Dec 2012, 17:52
by greengeek
No, I haven't tried that approach yet. Good info there though for anyone wanting to try puppy from an XP installation, rather than trialling a new puppy from a previous puppy installation. Thanks.
Posted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 04:09
by dk60902
I simply do a frugal install onto a USB drive to try out different versions of puppy. I had Puppy dual booting with an WinXP box before, but I sold it. I had a separate Puppy partition on my HD (part 1 WinXP, part 2 Puppy, part 3 swap part 4 (extended partition)) with different folders for various versions of puppy. To try out different puppies, I would create a new folder in the puppy partition, open the iso and copy over the necessary files, and edit my menu.lst. I used Grub4Dos.
Posted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 21:44
by greengeek
Another possibility:
Les Kerf suggests that Scooby's multiboot method allows dragging a whole iso into a folder and running with it:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=83583
Posted: Fri 25 Jan 2013, 19:08
by greengeek
Scooby also offers a method of achieving the same thing from Windows:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=83560