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Edit Now I have it the best name for your distro is:
The Absolute Politically Correct Linux.
It is 100% compatible with Debian stable edition.

Re the Debian developers reaction?
Maybe they read you tried to get Puppy devs involved?
Would that not make them this reluctant to help you out?

A kind of competition they don't like? Maybe I am too
pessimistic. AntiX folks seems to not dislike Puppy
but them are Mepis so maybe that explain it.

Is Mepis 100% compatible? Is Nimblex 100% compatible
or are both these seen as forks? Knoppix is a fork?

Knoppix is a fork?

Pussy is a better fork [so to speak]
Glad sickgut is still here.
Can not say I ever wanted a Pussy.
. . . and now back to the manly pursuit of penguins . . .

Be Kind Guys, it keeps the dogs happy and
lulls the enemies into a false sense of not being a menu item . . .

jpeps wrote:

saintless wrote:
I just don't think it will make any difference even if he name it Puppy-cat linux. But maybe I'm wrong... It's only my opinion.

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saintless....ask any elementary school kid if a name matters.

I think we all know if you use google or other uptodate search engines there is an option there to filter out Porn and other offensive things, use safe search with the setting set as ON. You can look up anything on the internet with safe search set to off and get a sexual connentation. My ex and i wanted to buy someone a leather brief case with a penguin logo on it. What came up on the search engine was pictures and websites to do with girls dressed up as penguins wearing leather BDSM type equipment that had a penguin theme etc. This was in 1998. Its not my problem if people dont use their filters.

lso

nooby wrote:Edit Now I have it the best name for your distro is:
The Absolute Politically Correct Linux.
It is 100% compatible with Debian stable edition.

Re the Debian developers reaction?
Maybe they read you tried to get Puppy devs involved?
Would that not make them this reluctant to help you out?

A kind of competition they don't like? Maybe I am too
pessimistic. AntiX folks seems to not dislike Puppy
but them are Mepis so maybe that explain it.

Is Mepis 100% compatible? Is Nimblex 100% compatible
or are both these seen as forks? Knoppix is a fork?

Ive never sought any attention from debian devs at all. There is no point as far as im concerned as its a large cold community, not like Puppy that is small and everyone knows each other.

if you use one of the predone debian desktop isos then you will see it is horribly broken and bloated and on a completely opposite path than Puppy. However their base OS with nothing much installed is a really good starting point.

I do however follow the principle of not breaking compatibility with debian, pussy must remain technically an awesomely optimized debian remaster that altho is purposefully changed to become something Puppy like, is not outside the realms of debian and doesnt introduce anything that may clash with the package management and installing stuff, This helps on 2 fronts:

#1) compatibility is maintained with the debain repos. As soon as we introduce any conflicting factor we loose the whole reason Pussy was made: to leech of someone else.

#2) in the early stages of the development of the OS, users can get support from the debain irc support channels. There is nothing in pussy that makes it not 100% debian and all advice given will work on Pussy. There is no need to mention your running pussy because the debian people dont know what it is. And obviously catroll-panel is an addition so dont mention that. Most debian devs run debians that are more modified than Pussy, they run their own versions of whatever control panel they personally have made over the last 10 years that is a collection of custom scripts, they run a different background and splash boot screen than the standard debian. If you have an issue and need help, just as the debian community and they will help. Just use common sense and it will work.

Pussy will grow and we will have out own supportive community but in the mean time if you have a technical problem and its taking too long to get your answer on the forum or at #pussylinux then ask the debian people.

Also something cool is that Pussy is ready to deploy onto ARM devices basicly overnight. Everything in the debain repos are already compiled for ARM. As soon as i see an suitable tablet platform or maybe even Rasp Pi, it will take only a day to deploy Pussy onto it. The only reason this hasnt happened yet is because i have not found a worthy platform. When there is something that is sub $100 tablet or ARM computer that can run xorg, jwm and roxfiler at a speed that is more than a crawl then you can bet that Pussy will be one of the first linux OSes available for it.

You see there are major advantages to remaining compatible with debian, another is that when pussy gets old and its time to release a new verison, its simply a 1 day job to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy or whatever other new debain is the stable.

once pussy is completed, it takes very little time to maintain it or even to release a new version of it based on whatever new debian is released.

sickgut has a point, if you don't switch on the safe filter in google
and use the correct search terms, you're bound to get some "strange" results.

Search for pussy+linux and google will return lots of "proper" results.

Here is another example, say you wanted to find out how your blackberry phone
deals with or saves cookies, you would type in:
blackberry+phone+cookies as opposed to just
blackberry+cookies which would return a whole bunch of, er well
blackberry cookie recipes.

Could we perhaps move away from the nomenclature of sickgut's project and the "what ifs" of search engine associations (e.g., what would happen if someone typo'd "Justin Beaver Linux" etc), draw a line in the sand and focus again on the rather more pristine intentions that he clearly stated from the very outset? I think the continued feedback to the OP is acknowledgment that his aims are worthwhile and supported in principle and spirit - even though on some levels the help has been hard to come by. Good on you, sickgut and saintless.

I dont understand why it even matters what an OS is called when its in the development stages. Starwars was called blue harvest when it was being made.

i do intend to introduce a debranding option, brand stripper or bleacher you might like to call it. At the click of a button the cat pussy meow etc names all disapear and then you are left with the standard debian names for everything and a bare background and splash boot screen if your using a usb or hdd install.

pussy keeps its customness out of the way in /scripts. This is a non standard debian dir so it never gets touched at all when removing or adding things. The idea here is that any and all custom pussy things reside here and everywhere else on the filesystem where they are needed, they simply symlink back to /scripts. Its quite possible to remove all symlinks and scripts that are uniquely pussy and then be left with a slimmed debian system.

All this about the name is pretty funny and reminds me of the controversy surrounding DSL (Damn Small Linux).

Anyways, being in the way top of the distros doesn't necessarily mean the all the packages work smooth. I've been messing around with Ubuntu lately and found it to be buggy when attempting to install certain packages, plus certain versions of the o.s. just seem more buggy as they seem to have a need to put out new versions regularly instead of fixing older versions. You can't even find any software at all for a 3 year old version, even if it is pretty stable.

mini-jaguar wrote:All this about the name is pretty funny and reminds me of the controversy surrounding DSL (Damn Small Linux).

My apologies for being so banal. Looking forward to pussy tea-shirts.

jpeps wrote:

mini-jaguar wrote:All this about the name is pretty funny and reminds me of the controversy surrounding DSL (Damn Small Linux).

My apologies for being so banal. Looking forward to pussy tea-shirts.

Here is my suggestion:

sickgut wrote:...
i do intend to introduce a debranding option, brand stripper or bleacher you might like to call it.

At the click of a button the cat pussy meow etc names all disapear and then you are left with the standard debian names for everything and a bare background and splash boot screen if your using a usb or hdd install.
...

Clever indeed Bleacher Linux? Debranded Linux,
NoName Linux , NoBrand Linux

nooby wrote:

sickgut wrote:...
i do intend to introduce a debranding option, brand stripper or bleacher you might like to call it.

At the click of a button the cat pussy meow etc names all disapear and then you are left with the standard debian names for everything and a bare background and splash boot screen if your using a usb or hdd install.
...

Clever indeed Bleacher Linux? Debranded Linux,
NoName Linux , NoBrand Linux

Also once this process is working ok, there will be a "rebranding" wizard, like a linear process of filling in a few custom things, like start menu icon or text, rename background icons etc, also the wizard would ask to provide a new background and also boot splash screen etc, rename boot options etc and usernames/ accounts and passwords for the purpose of providing server functionality.

This will open the distro to be useful to OEMs, computer stores and even businesses that just use alot of computers who would like to have their own branded and recognizable operating system.

Yet another reason i dont really care about the initial name or its impression much, not that i dont like the Pussy name i think its great and im not gonna change it to something lame just to please some people who dont even use it.

This distro has never been about fancy themes and graphical ideas and things are left as simple and untouched as possible so that the user can customize things themselves or this would all be dealt with when the rebranding feature is executed.

There is no one theme that anyone using any OS can agree on, what one person thinks is spiffy will make another puke. Pussy is unpolished intentionally atleast until all the technical issues are solved/ fixed/ added. Only then will Pussy be subjected to a round of polishing. In the meantime as far as a development plan goes i think graphical polishing so early Pussies infancy will distract from technical advancement and is pointless because due to said technical advancements, may have to be overhauled again anyway due to changing icons, WM's, file managers, console environment etc etc.

I love Plain Label/Generic brands.

I am not a snob.

sickgut wrote:
This will open the distro to be useful to OEMs, computer stores and even businesses that just use alot of computers who would like to have their own branded and recognizable operating system.

Yet another reason i dont really care about the initial name or its impression much, not that i dont like the Pussy name i think its great and im not gonna change it to something lame just to please some people who dont even use it.

Well...it IS a great name....and many of us will live to regret not having taken advantage of opportunities when Pussy was right here for all of us. Fortunately, Pussy will be in all our local stores and businesses fairly soon, so all is not lost. I'm hoping it will happen before I'm too old to truly appreciate what you are offering. I'm thinking, Pussy in my cell phone, Pussy in my car...who knows where it will all end.

Sickgut beware of The Patent Wars.
what if you get sued by this company for
being too close to their Brand name?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_Kitty

[quote]Hello Kitty (Har

Oh wow!

Sickgut, I've only just seen this thread, and already 4 pages and over 2 weeks....

You will always be remembered by many as the dev who at least tried to address what many know needs addressing.....the packaging issue

There have been threads about it before, and no doubt, will be again
noryb09 has a current thread, however no consensus

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=75383

Jemimah probably understands better than most, based on her comments, that it is the way it is, because there isn't a great focus of concern, from users and devs alike, and Barry hasn't seen a need/been under political pressure to change things - thus the status quo of a flawed package system.....but your creation, whilst not being a puppy, certainly had most of the ingredients that people like puppy for, - small fast, easy to use...good oob experience, supported and documented....for a one-man band....ticks the right boxes good job!
Controversy attracts, whether people like it or not, so to my mind the name is OK, and does what it was supposed to

You had good support from saintless at puppylinux.info, and are always welcome there, as well as here

puppy plays well with pussy and vice versa....as there was no real fight broke out....just maybe that you had [high] hopes of devs, as many have

....but as we all know, if it's not fun.....is the byword

good luck with whatever you get involved in, and hope to see you often

Aitch

there is debate in the ubuntu community about the name of their next release, aparently perty pussy or pretty pussy is one of the favourites.

im going to laugh so goddamn much if this name gets chosen, the 3rd most popular OS in the world, being named the same thing or similar to what ive been flamed for. i wonder if the people who sent me messages saying they wouldnt dare use pussy at home because they have grandchildren/ children will shun ubuntu the same way, im guessing not as its ubuntu and thety cant do any wrong.

no doubt if this name gets chosen officially for ubuntus next release then people will see pussy and automatically think we copied them

the world just gets more strange

sickgut wrote:there is debate in the ubuntu community about the name of their next release, aparently perty pussy or pretty pussy is one of the favourites.

um....unlikely. I think they're smarter than that.

ranch hand wrote:
Whatever Ubuntu comes up with will be lame. They need, according to my wife, to get a life. I think they need to get out and meet some live animals.

I like Pretty Pussy because then you can say you downloaded Pussy. Please do this with a straight face.

I am sure that there are really great names dealing with Penguins, this is Linux after all.

There is a bunch of other animals with the initial P.

Are you really sure that our intent where to flame you?
Is it not more likely that we had all the best intent and
only wanted to prevent a public relation scenario?

Ubuntu may "pull it" using that name. You don't have their
resources to fight for the name. Ubuntu most likely have.

I don't trust we flamed you. Could you not see it as friendly help
to get a perspective from many angles? I chose to see it that way.

sickgut wrote:there is debate in the ubuntu community about the name of their next release, aparently perty pussy or pretty pussy is one of the favourites.

I'm betting they will take the safe route and call it something like pugnacious possum

...Glen