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#413 Post by mavrothal »

Yet another puppy beta, and this one works fine too.

For those with Broadcom hardware, here is the wl wifi driver, and here is the 1570 webcam driver for XenialPup (or kernel 4.9.58 amd64)
The wl wifi driver was compiled from the ubuntu zesty sources (Xenial sources are for k4.4 and will fail on XenialPup) and the bcwc webcam driver from this github source.
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#414 Post by 666philb »

cheers everyone ...it's good to be back!!
peebee wrote:Hi phil

Just a quick observation on 7.0.8.6 - the minical displayed when the clock is clicked will not go away until the menu is clicked....

Cheers
peebee
hi peebee,

i think right clicking makes minixcal disappear.
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#415 Post by 666philb »

bigpup wrote:Xenialpup64 7.0.8.6
Frugal
Save folder.

I can live with this and have been for some time.
Just wonder why it is required in Xenialpup.

Video card Nvidia GeForce GTX 970.

Initial first boot, have to use nouveau.modeset=0 to get to visible desktop.

In testing Zestypup and Artfulpup this is not needed.
They initially boot to a working desktop. No added options needed.

Something you may want to look into.
hi bigpup,

i've no idea why this is required with xenialpup64. do you need to use the same option with xenialpup32 bit as well? if so can you try the 32bit xenialpup with artfuls kernel. just copy the vmlinux & zdrv.sfs over renaming the zdrv.sfs


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#416 Post by 666philb »

bigpup wrote:Xenialpup64 7.0.8.6
Frugal
Save folder.

Desktop calc icon.
Click on and Gnumeric spreadsheet opens.
the calc icon has always opened gnumeric :)
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#417 Post by 666philb »

mavrothal wrote:Yet another puppy beta, and this one works fine too.

For those with Broadcom hardware, here is the wl wifi driver, and here is the 1570 webcam driver for XenialPup (or kernel 4.9.58 amd64)
The wl wifi driver was compiled from the ubuntu zesty sources (Xenial sources are for k4.4 and will fail on XenialPup) and the bcwc webcam driver from this github source.
hi mavrothal,

7.0.8.5 was good apart from the rox pinboard bug when changing wallpapers. but after being away for so long and the build now requiring new .deps i thought it better to post 7.0.8.6 as a beta first. prior to that there were some really bed issues with the system freezing

i'll be updating the 32bit xenialpup this coming week and if nothing major is discovered it'll be a 32&64bit 7.0.9 release..... finally :roll:

thanks for the drivers
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#418 Post by bigpup »

the calc icon has always opened gnumeric
Well, in Linux it has always been called a directory, but it seems a folder is now just as usable a name.

Just because it always was, does not make it always so, for ever more!

calc
There are other Puppy versions that use spreadsheet as the icon label.
There is a calc in the menu.
menu>Business>Ycalc
That is no spreadsheet program.

I understand using the word calc.
That is a very technical term for the software code for the type of calculation it does.
The name has a history in Linux software naming.
But it is still using a icon that is named spread for spreadsheet.

If I told anybody at work to go work it up in a calc program. I would get a blank stare. :shock:

If I told them to give me a spreadsheet on it. It would be understood!

OK I fixed it for me.
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#419 Post by mavrothal »

666philb wrote:i'll be updating the 32bit xenialpup this coming week and if nothing major is discovered it'll be a 32&64bit 7.0.9 release.
As far as I know there is no "puppy 7" ever released.
Puppy 7.0.9 or any other point release as "official" after puppy 6.3 would be confusing and may go unnoticed.

You might want to discuss it with Mick and probably PB regarding release schedule and versioning.
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#420 Post by Duprate »

Hello! On my PC, I have used Puppy Linux as my only operating system since version 5.2.8.
I am currently using QuirkyXerus64-8.3 and XenialPup64 7.0.8.6. and both systems work
perfectly. About XenialPup64 7.0.8.6, for me it serves as a final release.

CPU 2X Intel Pentium G3260 Dual Core, 3.30Ghz
Intel HD Graphics Vídeo onboard
RAM 4Gb DDR3 1.600 Mhz
Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. H81M-C/BR
Monitor SAMSUNG LED, resolution 1920X1080
Connect: Moden ADSL via cable

WEB BROWSERS:
Google Chrome 62.0.3202.62, Vivaldi 1.12.955.36-1, Opera 48.0.2685.39, work perfectly and Firefox Nightly 58.0 gives us a view of what will be the new Mozilla Firefox from version 57. Get to see endings in NETFLIX without crashes due to lack of plugins or for not being recognized as an updated Browser.

Bye! Seamonkey, Firefox ESR, Waterfox, Palemoon, Chromium, Midori, Dillo, Netsurf, Tor, Xombrero e outros...

BUG:
For the proper functioning of the audio in Firefox, it is necessary that the libs in usr/lib/apulse/, are located in usr/lib/ e I solved the problem by copying and pasting it in the right place.
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#421 Post by belham2 »

mavrothal wrote:
666philb wrote:i'll be updating the 32bit xenialpup this coming week and if nothing major is discovered it'll be a 32&64bit 7.0.9 release.
As far as I know there is no "puppy 7" ever released.
Puppy 7.0.9 or any other point release as "official" after puppy 6.3 would be confusing and may go unnoticed.

You might want to discuss it with Mick and probably PB regarding release schedule and versioning.

Boy, I really don't understand this comment and/or reply.

So Micko releases Slacko 6.9.9.9, and officially calls it 'Slacko 700' in the thread title, then has left it like that for several months now. Phil had his "Xenialpups" marked as "7.0.8.#" for the same amount of time, returns & releases "7.0.8.6" which was much arppeciated. Then phil makes a comment that soon he should be able to go to 7.0.9, and Marvothal writes the above comment?


Can I ask why 7.0.9 is such a problem? Is it the fact it is only 3 numbers in length? Because we all are pretty used to seeing the "7" in front of everything when it comes to releases from both Micko and Phil. And the reference to Peebee? What is that?? His releases are like 17.##.## on the zesty/artful side, and same goes for the LxPupSc side.

Again, it begs the question, why did Phil's comment about going to a "7.0.9" elicit such a response? By reasoning and rationale alone in that comment to Phil, then no one (especially Micko) should ever have written a "7", let alone a "700" (like beside Slacko), correct?

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#422 Post by Moat »

Yeah, I didn't quite get that one either.

7.1.0 FTW! :)

Or maybe 8.0.0... :shock:

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#423 Post by perdido »

belham2 wrote:
mavrothal wrote:
666philb wrote:i'll be updating the 32bit xenialpup this coming week and if nothing major is discovered it'll be a 32&64bit 7.0.9 release.
As far as I know there is no "puppy 7" ever released.
Puppy 7.0.9 or any other point release as "official" after puppy 6.3 would be confusing and may go unnoticed.

You might want to discuss it with Mick and probably PB regarding release schedule and versioning.

Boy, I really don't understand this comment and/or reply.

So Micko releases Slacko 6.9.9.9, and officially calls it 'Slacko 700' in the thread title, then has left it like that for several months now. Phil had his "Xenialpups" marked as "7.0.8.#" for the same amount of time, returns & releases "7.0.8.6" which was much arppeciated. Then phil makes a comment that soon he should be able to go to 7.0.9, and Marvothal writes the above comment?


Can I ask why 7.0.9 is such a problem? Is it the fact it is only 3 numbers in length? Because we all are pretty used to seeing the "7" in front of everything when it comes to releases from both Micko and Phil. And the reference to Peebee? What is that?? His releases are like 17.##.## on the zesty/artful side, and same goes for the LxPupSc side.

Again, it begs the question, why did Phil's comment about going to a "7.0.9" elicit such a response? By reasoning and rationale alone in that comment to Phil, then no one (especially Micko) should ever have written a "7", let alone a "700" (like beside Slacko), correct?


All of the 7.x versions so far are in beta.
No official 7.x versions yet.

I believe the reference about 7.0.9 is solely a problem with semantics.

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#424 Post by bigpup »

666philb wrote:
bigpup wrote:Xenialpup64 7.0.8.6
Frugal
Save folder.

I can live with this and have been for some time.
Just wonder why it is required in Xenialpup.

Video card Nvidia GeForce GTX 970.

Initial first boot, have to use nouveau.modeset=0 to get to visible desktop.
hi bigpup,

i've no idea why this is required with xenialpup64. do you need to use the same option with xenialpup32 bit as well? if so can you try the 32bit xenialpup with artfuls kernel. just copy the vmlinux & zdrv.sfs over renaming the zdrv.sfs
Yes. Xenialpup 32bit also requires the nouveau.modeset=0.

I tried the Artfulpup kernel 4.9.56-lxpup-32-pae in Xenialpup 32bit V7.0.8.1

It now boots a fresh initial boot, with no added boot options required.
The kernel change fixed it.
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wifi failed to connect using b43 module on laptop HP2530p

#425 Post by charlie6 »

Hi 666philb, :)
Got a try this new 7.0.8.6 version on laptop HP2530p - thanks for it !
Here cannot connect to wifi network (was already the case with earlier 64bits versions).
Other recent Puppies (TahPup, Zesty, Artful, whatever 32 or 64 bits) connect to wifi network OOTB.
I even tried to compile the wl kernel module for the previous xenialpup64-7.0.8.5 version without getting wifi !
Here are some reports from Frisbee network tool to help for an eventual fix.

last edited: added dmesg output on ArtFulPup 32bits for a working WiFi
dmesg output about b43:
...
gpiochip_find_base: found new base at 496
gpio gpiochip0: (ssb_chipco_gpio): added GPIO chardev (254:0)
gpiochip_setup_dev: registered GPIOs 496 to 511 on device: gpiochip0 (ssb_chipco_gpio)
ssb: Sonics Silicon Backplane found on PCI device 0000:02:00.0
b43-phy0: Broadcom 4312 WLAN found (core revision 15)
b43-phy0: Found PHY: Analog 6, Type 5 (LP), Revision 1
b43-phy0: Found Radio: Manuf 0x17F, ID 0x2062, Revision 2, Version 0
Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PNLS ]
ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht'
e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Down
ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
EXT4-fs (sda4): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
DMAR: DRHD: handling fault status reg 2
DMAR: [DMA Read] Request device [02:00.0] fault addr fffe9000 [fault reason 06] PTE Read access is not set
b43-phy0 ERROR: Fatal DMA error: 0x00000800, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000
b43-phy0 ERROR: This device does not support DMA on your system. It will now be switched to PIO.
b43-phy0: Controller RESET (DMA error) ...
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
b43-phy0: Controller restarted
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0 warning: Forced PIO by use_pio module parameter. This should not be needed and will result in lower performance.
Thanks for any advice!
Charlie
dmesg output for workig WiFi on ArtFulPup on the VERY SAME PC
...
ssb: Sonics Silicon Backplane found on PCI device 0000:02:00.0
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x50
i915 0000:00:02.0: fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
b43-phy0: Broadcom 4312 WLAN found (core revision 15)
b43-phy0: Found PHY: Analog 6, Type 5 (LP), Revision 1
b43-phy0: Found Radio: Manuf 0x17F, ID 0x2062, Revision 2, Version 0
Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PNLS ]
ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht'
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
udevd[8046]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
udevd[8162]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
udevd[8407]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
udevd[8673]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
wlan0: authenticate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 2/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 3/3)
wlan0: authenticated
wlan0: associate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: RX AssocResp from 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=1)
wlan0: associated
udevd[8718]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
udevd[9384]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
wlan0: deauthenticated from 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (Reason: 15=4WAY_HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT)
udevd[9388]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
wlan0: authenticate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: authenticated
wlan0: associate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: RX AssocResp from 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=1)
wlan0: associated
udevd[9396]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
udevd[9451]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
udevd[9502]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
wlan0: deauthenticating from 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
udevd[9523]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
udevd[9544]: Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 254.
e1000e: enp0s25 NIC Link is Down
b43-phy0: Radio hardware status changed to DISABLED
b43-phy0: Radio hardware status changed to ENABLED
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
wlan0: authenticate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 2/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 3/3)
wlan0: authentication with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c timed out
wlan0: authenticate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 2/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 3/3)
wlan0: authentication with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c timed out
wlan0: authenticate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 2/3)
wlan0: send auth to 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 3/3)
wlan0: authenticated
b43 ssb0:0 wlan0: disabling HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use
wlan0: associate with 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (try 1/3)
wlan0: RX AssocResp from 20:0c:c8:16:e0:7c (capab=0x1411 status=0 aid=1)
wlan0: associated
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#426 Post by 666philb »

bigpup wrote: Yes. Xenialpup 32bit also requires the nouveau.modeset=0.

I tried the Artfulpup kernel 4.9.56-lxpup-32-pae in Xenialpup 32bit V7.0.8.1

It now boots a fresh initial boot, with no added boot options required.
The kernel change fixed it.
hi bigpup,
could you try a live boot xenialpup with artfulpups fdrv.sfs.
just rename it to fdrv_xenialpup64_7.0.8.6.sfs and stick it in your xenialpup folder
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Re: wifi failed to connect using b43 module on laptop HP2530p

#427 Post by 666philb »

charlie6 wrote:Hi 666philb, :)
Got a try this new 7.0.8.6 version on laptop HP2530p - thanks for it !
Here cannot connect to wifi network (was already the case with earlier 64bits versions).
Other recent Puppies (TahPup, Zesty, Artful, whatever 32 or 64 bits) connect to wifi network OOTB.
I even tried to compile the wl kernel module for the previous xenialpup64-7.0.8.5 version without getting wifi !
hi charlie6,

can you try the suggestion pointed to in this link https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=230381
Bionicpup64 built with bionic beaver packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114311
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[SOLVED] wifi failed to connect using b43 module on HP2530p

#428 Post by charlie6 »

666philb wrote:
charlie6 wrote:Hi 666philb, :)
Got a try this new 7.0.8.6 version on laptop HP2530p - thanks for it !
Here cannot connect to wifi network (was already the case with earlier 64bits versions
...
hi charlie6,
can you try the suggestion pointed to in this link https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=230381
Hi 666philb :D !
tons of thanks for you quick reply ! :P
it works now !
Have added «intel_iommu=off» to the GRUBs kernel parameters as suggested in the above link; aftrwds reboot (frugal install) and it connects to WiFi straight on after inserting WPA code!

Here is my grub code:

Code: Select all

title Puppy Linux XENIALPUP64_7.0.8.6 frugal in sda4 dir xen64
  root (hd0,3)
  kernel /xen64/vmlinuz psubdir=xen64 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck intel_iommu=off
  initrd /xen64/initrd.gz
as reported in the above links by forum moderator V1del:
About linux-4.13.3-1-x86_64 kernel: One new option enabled in the 4.13 kernel by default is iommu, have you tried the mentioned kernel parameter to turn that off again?
Best regards
Charlie

last edited:
For Xenialpup64-7.0.8.5-uefi: /lib/firmware/b43 is missing:
It also fixes the same issue on Xenialpup64-7.0.8.5-uefi provided the /lib/firmware/b43 has previuosly been installed, and the PC rebooted: firmware copied from Xenialpup64-7.0.8.6

HTH, Charlie
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#429 Post by bigpup »

666philb wrote:
bigpup wrote: Yes. Xenialpup 32bit also requires the nouveau.modeset=0.

I tried the Artfulpup kernel 4.9.56-lxpup-32-pae in Xenialpup 32bit V7.0.8.1

It now boots a fresh initial boot, with no added boot options required.
The kernel change fixed it.
hi bigpup,
could you try a live boot xenialpup with artfulpups fdrv.sfs.
just rename it to fdrv_xenialpup64_7.0.8.6.sfs and stick it in your xenialpup folder
Artfulpup is 32bit.
Is it's fdrv going to work in a 64bit Xenialpup?
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#430 Post by 666philb »

bigpup wrote:
666philb wrote:
bigpup wrote: Yes. Xenialpup 32bit also requires the nouveau.modeset=0.

I tried the Artfulpup kernel 4.9.56-lxpup-32-pae in Xenialpup 32bit V7.0.8.1

It now boots a fresh initial boot, with no added boot options required.
The kernel change fixed it.
hi bigpup,
could you try a live boot xenialpup with artfulpups fdrv.sfs.
just rename it to fdrv_xenialpup64_7.0.8.6.sfs and stick it in your xenialpup folder
Artfulpup is 32bit.
Is it's fdrv going to work in a 64bit Xenialpup?
i believe so, as i don't think the firmware is dependent on the operating systems architecture. (could be wrong though :) )
Bionicpup64 built with bionic beaver packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114311
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331

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#431 Post by 666philb »

mavrothal wrote:
666philb wrote:i'll be updating the 32bit xenialpup this coming week and if nothing major is discovered it'll be a 32&64bit 7.0.9 release.
As far as I know there is no "puppy 7" ever released.
Puppy 7.0.9 or any other point release as "official" after puppy 6.3 would be confusing and may go unnoticed.

You might want to discuss it with Mick and probably PB regarding release schedule and versioning.
ok.... i'll ask and see what they reckon . i actually don't mind what it is.
Bionicpup64 built with bionic beaver packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114311
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331

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#432 Post by 666philb »

Duprate wrote:
BUG:
For the proper functioning of the audio in Firefox, it is necessary that the libs in usr/lib/apulse/, are located in usr/lib/ e I solved the problem by copying and pasting it in the right place.
hi Duprate,

the problem with this solution is with apps that check to see if there is a working pulse audio, and then not finding it use the alsa interace instead. those apps will then always use the pulseaudio interface provided by apulse.
and whilst they work there's less control over them in puppys native mixer.

so i reckon i'll be sticking with the apulse libs in /usr/lib/apulse and using 'apulse firefox' to run firefox
Bionicpup64 built with bionic beaver packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114311
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331

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