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I have loaded outdated langpack_de-20120205.pet just for testing new ppm

2 issues with ppm in this situation which can be normal in the future
- no package description in "installed packages"
- wrong (ALREADY INSTALLED) for not installed actual package

Booting from live cd with save file on flash drive (hard drive bit the dust)

Report Video 1.3 - Tue 4 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.91 - Linux 3.2.28 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740
PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
oem: SiS
product: 6325 1.05.00

X Server: Xorg Driver used: sis

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (411x263 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes
Computer
Processor mobile AMD Duron(tm)
Memory 708MB (136MB used)
OpenGL
Vendor VMware, Inc.
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
Version 3.0 Mesa 8.0.2
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
63 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12.532 FPS
62 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12.371 FPS
63 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12.591 FPS

IBM ThinkPad x30
both work: racy5300 wary5300

puppy_precise_5391 manual frugal

first boot without precisesave
+ desktop ok
+ network ok

reboot with precisesave
- no desktop
- can not 'blindly' restart, F12 up right down enter
- must force shutdown

boot pfix=nox with precisesave
+ command prompt ok
+ exit ok
+ xwin ~ok
- desktop mostly generic icons
+ enet ok
- system:hardinfo - network catagory missing - ok racy5300 wary5300
+ restart jvm - no change
+ restart xserver - no change

reboot with precisesave
- no desktop, must force shutdown

boot pfix=nox with precisesave
+ command prompt ok
+ exit ok
+ xwin ~ok
- desktop mostly generic icons
+ repeatable
+ exit to prompt
- xorgwizard probe, 'c', 1024x768x16 intel
- xwin - desktop mostly generic icons
+ exit to prompt
- xorgwizard probe, 'c', 1024x768x24 intel
- xwin - desktop mostly generic icons
+ exit to prompt
- xorgwizard choose=intel, 'c', 1024x768x24 intel
- xwin - desktop mostly generic icons

Bill

Hello BarryK

Thanks for the latest Precise Puppy 5.3.91

I have tried some experiments with the package manager.

It hasn't gone to sleep on me yet.


The precise update packages still get downloaded and create separate databases, but they do not merge as it says it will do.

The result is too many Ubuntu repos for the PPM to handle at once.

I have tried deleting the update databases from the .Packages directory and updating just the precise updates on their own, but the outcome is the same.


I have added a PPA on launchpad.net. It works, and it installs all of the dependencies from ubuntu various, but forgot to install the package from launchpad.net. It does install the package if I do it on its own, which is good enough for me.


A couple of omissions I have noticed so far:

The symbolic link to GNU linux i386 is missing from /usr/bin so python failed to install there. I copied the link from /usr/lib and then python did install

lsb_release is missing. I installed the lsb-release package and the error went away.

Fresh manual frugal install of 5.3.91 on my main Athlon XP box. Sound,internet and display all correct and working on initial boot. No difficulties yet.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Tue 4 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.91 - Linux 3.2.28 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)
oem: NVidia
product: NV18 () Board Chip Rev A2

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
1329 frames in 5.0 seconds = 265.779 FPS
2216 frames in 5.0 seconds = 443.166 FPS
2252 frames in 5.0 seconds = 450.327 FPS
2205 frames in 5.0 seconds = 440.722 FPS
2114 frames in 5.0 seconds = 422.534 FPS
2207 frames in 5.0 seconds = 440.798 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (183MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Tue 04 Sep 2012 04:05:16 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1034112 501676 532436 0 56148
-/+ buffers: 445528 588584
Swap: 1228936 0 1228936
#

Frugal install in my main pc:

i boot directly to the command line ! and then do xorgwizard ! same probmem for the beta 4 !

Here my specs

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Processor 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
Memory 4084MB (196MB used)
Operating System Unknown distribution
User Name root (root)
Date/Time mar. 04 sept. 2012 23:29:58 CEST
Display
Resolution 1920x1200 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV4E
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
--

Report Video 1.3 - mar. 4 sept. 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.91 - Linux 3.2.28 i686

Chip description:
5.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: Crush50 Board - c51pvg0 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1920x1200 pixels (507x317 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

--

I create a save file reboot again to the command line and do xorgwizard !

rcrsn51 wrote:Have you tested the "official" PPD? When I looked inside, it says "for Macintosh only". So I would like to know if it works for you.

If it doesn't, I have another one from openprinting.org that I would like to test.

Some application printing need RAW,what should I do?

tiangeng wrote:Some application printing need RAW,what should I do?

Please give an example.

@jplt

We need more information to go on.

One way you can obtain this is to post some logs.

Before you run xorgwizard it is important that you capture the failed attempt to start X. This can be done by saving the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

Before you run xorgwizard, please run this command: Then gzip it: Once you have X running post this file to the forum.

Also, you can gzip and post /var/log/messages (or output of dmesg)

Thanks

Still have this problem.
Dell desktop
Pentium 4 processor
Nvidia nv37gl Quadro video card
precise 5.3.91 frugal

Boots to desktop
Some desktop program icons missing or half visible
no items visible in menus
Some program icons in taskbar, but not all
The icons/entry's that should be showing in menu and taskbar. You can put mouse pointer at the location where they should be and left click will run the program that should have an icon/entry at that location.
Seems to be using Nouveau graphic driver.

To get working desktop have to run Xorgwizard and choose Vesa driver. Adding nouveau.modeset=0, to kernel line of bootloader entry,also works.

Just an observation about getting packages from Ubuntu repositories.
Notice the example picture.
Sure seems to need a lot of dependencies.
Notice the complete download size to get this program and its dependencies.

Talking about PPM.

I suggest that the confirmation buttons, such as for trim are placed at the top of the screen and not down.
Indeed when there is a long list, the buttons are out of screen, and it's only by KNOWING how many tabs and then hitting enter, that it works.

Also issues about sound:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=80670

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=80580

Tried installing xfce from PPM
. . . 'installation' fast
but when I ran 'xwin xfce4' from the prompt - which might be the wrong command . . . I returned to jwm
Then I could not get to the prompt from the keyboard or the menu.
In fact the keyboard was not working at all . . .

ay chihuahua

Here is my Xorg.0.log and /var/log/messages

I reboot with nouveau.modset=0 (i really don't know what it is ,if someone can explain me ?) and iam in the desktop with the vesa driver !

I don't have this problem at all with saluki 023 !

Hello 01micko

I tried having a look at what the xorgwizard was doing, as soon as I installed 5.3.91. But my knowledge on linux commands was inadequate.

The Radeon driver works OK as long as I don't run xorgwizard except that it is 16bit colour

If I select Radeon then X does not start because there are no drivers in:

/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers.

That is the same a 5.2.60

If I then run xorgwizard and select VESA, X still does not start although vesa_drv is put in the drivers directory.

That is different from 5.2.60 where VESA would work.

I had already saved a renamed version of the xorg log, but I didn't know the commands that I needed to put it outside the save file, so that I could delete the save file and start again.

If you are working on fixing xorgwizard, I'll have another go, but learn a few more commands first.

@LateAdopter

If you choose a driver it seems all other drivers are moved to /usr/lib/x/drivers-alternate. That's where your radeon driver is hiding but still should be selectable from xorgwizard where it will be shifted back to it's usual place of residence.

I had no problem switching to 24 bit colours using xorgwizard in beta5. I chose the "probe" option. I don't know why 16 is the default, in the current Slacko beta we are defaulting to 24. Same kernel series, similar config.

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@jplt

Thanks for your reports. There is definitely an error relating to the screen mode which shows up in both logs. On some searching I could not find any definitive answer.

If 'vesa' is ok then stick with it, otherwise, I posted the 'nv' driver a few pages back, it should work but the performance will be on a par with 'vesa', depending on your card. You may find it is better.

Alternatively, you could install shinobar's nvidia sfs posted a a few pages back, or shinobar also has an app called 'get_nvidia' which compiles the nvidia driver automatically, however it does require the devx and the kernel source sfs to be installed. You would need to check if your card is supported by the latest nvidia driver.

When release gets closer I can make an nvidia pet, reason I don't right now is in case Barry changes something, then it's a waste of time.

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I doon't thiink spl chck iz workin

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I'll attach some of my reports/benchmarks with 16 bit and 24 bit enabled. (radeon)

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EDIT.
report-video and glxgears from my main machine with radeon unplugged, using onboard nvidia
# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.73 on Wed 5 Sep 2012

Chip description:
d.0 VGA compatible controller
NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: vesa

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 55
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 56
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 59
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 58
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
5359 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1071.608 FPS
5364 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1072.773 FPS

Hi Lobster,

Generally, to get the XFCE4 desktop started one would type from the prompt:
You can check in usr/bin to see whether or not this file exsists. If it doesn't - where they've gone through several upgrades - then look for a file "xfce4-session" and at the prompt give this a try:
On the latter I'm just guessing as I've never used anything higher in Puppy than version 4.6 and that's always used the former command. However, many are now using the latter command I've discovered and perhaps they've recently changed over to that one for all I know?

If you could let us know how it went for you I personally would appreciate it where I've been assisting someone else on the forum with a plethora of different desktop environments on Precise.

Thanks in Advance Lobster!

Amicalement/Cheers!

Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"

Hello 01micko

Thanks for the suggestion.

You are right that "Probe" will set 24 bit without breaking anything. And it leaves all of the drivers in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers

But if you select "Choose" and "Radeon" then it moves all of the drivers to /usr/lib/x/drivers-backup and there are none in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. So X won't start.


I notice that you have done a PET for fglrx Catalyst 12.8. If you and BarryK have settled on 3.2.28 kernel, would you be willing to do one for either 12.6 Legacy version or 12.4, please?

The reason I ask is that, by some miracle and going round in a few circles, I have managed to use the PPM to install XBMC-XVBA from the PPA on launchpad.net. And it now works.

It is currently the only media player with direct XVBA GPU acceleration. I would like to test it out, but it needs fglrx.

Thanks