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Posted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 21:39
by ttuuxxx
rcrsn51 wrote:What do you think?
I think, like everyone else who has suggested this over the last few years, that it's an excellent idea.
Unfortunately, too much emphasis seems to be placed on selecting the appropriate window manager or web browser, at the expense of these fundamental concerns.
rcrsn when it comes to window managers, web browsers, software packages,graphics thats my area specialty, I've been known to make a few simple scripts and alter or build a few dialogs, but thats my limit. Other developers have other areas that they do well at. If you see a lot of post containing these areas its because I'm offering to do so and I'm very active in the forum, If I was able to say fix wireless networking or monitor displays I would, But thats not what I do well with, other developers are doing that in the background and don't really post much in the 4.2 section. So if its looks like its all bling it isn't other fixes and updates are continuously happening. Usually every release gets some sort of networking improvements. Since puppy 1.0 series the window manager was never changed and also only once or twice I think the browser wasn't Seamonkey, So what you see is groundbreaking for puppy and very exciting. If you have any fundamental concerns please state them.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 23:47
by eightbitz
Just noticing that Ptray lists Calcoo as the calculator, but it appears Galculator is installed.
On another note Just wondering the opinion on rxvt. I prefer to have the scrollbar on the right, and set the inverse on (so as to have a black background). It seems to go with the theme better. Having the scrollbar on the right seems to match the other apps also.
Posted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 23:56
by ttuuxxx
I just downloads some Fire Hydrant GPL icons, and one was 'SVG' format, I went to open it with inkscapelite and it wouldn't open, when I dragged it to inkscapelite it crashed.I then tried it with Gimp and it worked properly first try, call me silly but if inkscapelite can't open SVG graphics, why do we have it included? I think it should be replaced if it can't open SVG.
here's the link to the image that inkscapelite failed opening.
http://www.deviantart.com/download/1083 ... Jaanos.zip
ttuuxxx
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 00:05
by technosaurus
WhoDo wrote:
Aha! Another thing I forgot that can be added to the next release!
Sorry, I was waiting to see what the icons/wallpapers looked like so I can make sure it all works together visually (and takes up less space). Do I need to get a clearlooks theme or is the current default going to stick?
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 03:35
by 01micko
WhoDo,
I redid sintot's weather script for 'NowTheWeather' font. Hmmmmm, it is a messy font! However it is incomplete because there are no night time icons in that font. We need a font editor!
Here it is but it is not up to release standard.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 04:52
by 01micko
Jim1911 wrote:01micko
Thanks for your weather howto.
A couple of questions.
What change is needed in the configuration file for degrees F to show instead of C?
Instead of a weather font, I have a very large lower case a, how is this changed? The weather fonts file was downloaded and extracted to the /root/.font folder.
Thanks,
Jim
G'day Jim
Sorry I overlooked that! Of course in the US you use degrees F! Open in rox, make sure you click the 'eye' to show hidden files,
, /root/.pwidgets/scripts/WeatherIcon by right clicking (
, WhoDo) and select 'edit with geany'.
On line five you will see 'metric=1' change it to 'metric=0' . also on line 15 you will see
Code: Select all
curl -s "http://rss.accuweather.com/rss/liveweather_rss.asp?metric=1&locCode=$LOCCOD"
Edit to metric=0. Save it!!! restart Pwidgets and you are done.
I was thinking to upload the font, but I don't think Whodo would approve, so I'll give you a link,
http://www.dafont.com/font.php?file=weather. Download the win/mac version, it's fine, it works.
Extract it and then place 'wef_________.ttf' into '/usr/share/fonts/default/TTF. Again restart Pwidgets and you should see the icon. Unfortunately the font is shareware, so not free, so we can't distribute it, but you can download it from them!
PS: Don't edit some of the settings I have mentioned earlier in this thread, they are for the other font!
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 05:08
by 01micko
Why don't I have that folder?????? Jim1911 has it!!!!
~/.fonts
Is it because I'm running live? I have a save. Downloaded from Caneri. Is there different isos out there???
Yes, a billion questions!
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 05:33
by ttuuxxx
01micko wrote:Warren, here's how to edit the weather font.
open Abiword and choose 'weather' (the old Pwidgets weather font, you must rename it and install it from previous Pwidgets) and open abiword again and choose 'NowTheWeather' and type the alphabet in each. Compare and edit Sintot's code. I gotta go to work now but I'll try it this afternoon.
Mick
Hey Mick do you want a font editor/creator like this?
If so I'll upload it
ttuuxxx
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:01
by 01micko
ttuuxxx,
I think that is exactly what we are looking for. Zigbert want ed to create a font for weather and add some doggy cartoons in the one font, especially for puppy. Throw it up mate!
Thanks
Mick
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:17
by ttuuxxx
01micko wrote:ttuuxxx,
I think that is exactly what we are looking for. Zigbert want ed to create a font for weather and add some doggy cartoons in the one font, especially for puppy. Throw it up mate!
Thanks
Mick
Two steps ahead of you
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 820#266820
enjoy
ttuuxxx
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:27
by WhoDo
rcrsn51 wrote:I have read Barry's statement many times and I understand his philosophy. But it is small consolation to newcomers who become frustrated when basic things don't work.
Off the top of my head, I can think of three such issues. And I'm sure that the community can come up with others.
Ok, now is the time and this is the place. I'm putting together the second alpha of Puppy 4.2 and I already have a list of 19 items to "fix" or add. Another 2 or 3 is neither here nor there, depending upon what's involved.
Cheers
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:30
by WhoDo
ttuuxxx wrote:Hey WhoDo hows this look ?
With the show desktop icon I made 2 of them 1 with brown edges, and one with the MS style blue edges which one do you like better?
On that background, the brown one.
I've had a look at the theme for Macpup-4.1.2 and I really like the striped black look of the taskbar. I wonder if prit1 would mind us "borrowing" that bit?
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:32
by ttuuxxx
WhoDo wrote:rcrsn51 wrote:I have read Barry's statement many times and I understand his philosophy. But it is small consolation to newcomers who become frustrated when basic things don't work.
Off the top of my head, I can think of three such issues. And I'm sure that the community can come up with others.
Ok, now is the time and this is the place. I'm putting together the second alpha of Puppy 4.2 and I already have a list of 19 items to "fix" or add. Another 2 or 3 is neither here nor there, depending upon what's involved.
Cheers
Hey WhoDo the Xchat package I made-up and you have locally, There's one thing you have to do with it, You need to make it the default chat client, If you want to me to do just say say and I'll repackage it and post it, Because on 4.2 Ayttm is default on the desktop.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:34
by ttuuxxx
WhoDo wrote:ttuuxxx wrote:Hey WhoDo hows this look ?
With the show desktop icon I made 2 of them 1 with brown edges, and one with the MS style blue edges which one do you like better?
On that background, the brown one.
I've had a look at the theme for Macpup-4.1.2 and I really like the striped black look of the taskbar. I wonder if prit1 would mind us "borrowing" that bit?
I'll ask, I'm sure he's would be ok with it, It took forever to figure that effect. I must of spent 3-4Hrs on it, but was well worth it when it was finished.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:39
by WhoDo
technosaurus wrote:Do I need to get a clearlooks theme or is the current default going to stick?
Clearlooks will go in for the next alpha. We'll see after that.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 06:48
by WhoDo
01micko wrote:I think that is exactly what we are looking for. Zigbert wanted to create a font for weather and add some doggy cartoons in the one font, especially for puppy. Throw it up mate!
Yeah, thanks ttuuxxx! Micko you go hard, mate. I didn't mind the shareware font - clear and complete - but I just don't want to expose Puppy by distributing it, so it would be way better if we had our own!
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 08:17
by Pizzasgood
Sorry, been busy lately and haven't had a chance to download and try this. Will do it tomorrow.
Lobster wrote:Just to remind people who don't want the alpha to mess with their existing settings . . .
Press f2 (during the boot - be quick)
then type puppy pfix=ram
that means you are running in a pristine Puppy for testing . . .
You don't have to press f2 first. That just lets you see the list of options. If you already know the options you want, you can go ahead and type them right away.
Is it possible to modify all of the new releases so that on booting, they would give you the option NOT to update if they found an older version of Puppy installed.
If the update of older versions is a script or called by one, it just seems to me that it would be a relatively easy thing to modify the script with an if then else modification with a prompt that waited for an answer.
Yes, I think it should be pretty simple to have it let you abort the boot or maybe even enable pfix=ram mode. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 08:26
by WhoDo
Pizzasgood wrote:Is it possible to modify all of the new releases so that on booting, they would give you the option NOT to update if they found an older version of Puppy installed.
If the update of older versions is a script or called by one, it just seems to me that it would be a relatively easy thing to modify the script with an if then else modification with a prompt that waited for an answer.
Yes, I think it should be pretty simple to have it let you abort the boot or maybe even enable pfix=ram mode. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
Thanks, PG. Saves me hunting through and finding it when I don't really know what I'm doing!
Is there a parameter in the config file that will give us a tad more than 5 seconds on the boot splash? Most have been complaining it goes by too quick! No, I haven't looked for myself yet. I'm wearing a splitting headache so it's easier to ask than to look.
alpha 1
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 08:56
by growler
Big boots to fill ... no problem!
GREAT job WhoDo and the guys!!
A few thoughts...
1. PPLOG doesn't work - not sure hiawatha/PPLOG belong in a desktop os anyway ... I had a play with the configs but couldn't get hiawatha going I thought it was to do with file permissions as hiawatha runs as nobody but couldn't nail it sorry. The error log says its a file permission error.
2. there are 3 console editors on the GUI menu? Wouldn't one always use geany or Abiword in the GUI?
3. The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG... in favour of more client side programs - say citrix or remote desktop client or vnc client.
The calculator rationalisation is great - like galculator. The themes and widgets really give a visual lift (go zigbert!!) - the splash screen on boot is also much more reassuring for many nice one PG.
This puppy is looking very polished and newby friendly.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 09:07
by Lobster
The calculator rationalisation is great
Yes forgot to mention that. Sometimes you can have too much of a small thing (that is why they were included)
I would tend to use gnumeric anyways.
Another positive step is the icon bar on the top of the screen.