Q5sys wrote:
Myth: 'The market is changing', and we must join in that change or we will be left out in the cold.
your answer is the problem. exclusivity. I recommend puppy to people all the time. your dismissive assessment of end users strikes me as defeatism and generalisation.
puppy has a great place on mobile devices and in fact, due to its size couldn't be better placed.
protip: people don't use what they don't know about.
you are also leaving out a major factor at the moment : google's implication in the NSA scandal and various scandals before it involving them hiding spyware even in apple's OS (they got fined 22 million dollars for it).
there's more to just showing what seems to me to be a contempt for end users and their use. there are 7 billion people in the world and I don't think anyone can predict what they'd do with tech. a light OS like puppy has been designed in a way that would marry with portable devices really well.
over the years I've noticed a clique mentality in the linux community generally. I once tried to tell them, as a musician, that making 50,000 mp3 players and ONE multitrack audio recording program is just plain silly. repeating the same apps over and over again and ignoring the need. that's one of the variables that the community doesn't take in. I got told off for my troubles. Interesting that the devs can think what they want is more important and relevant than the people they want to use the OS.. or was it just made for devs? Funny. i got a different impression. i remember when the first GUI versions came out to 'replace windows' .. well windows' main claims to fame are:
easy to use
loads of DIFFERENT free apps
Myth: "Desktops/Laptops are going away in favor of Mobile devices"
they're certainly being influenced them. i have a desktop i rarely use now. i repaired them for years and sure they're easier to fix than laptops but laptops don't chain you to a desk and make you fat from inactivity. latptops can move with you and now the tablets and laptops are becoming lighter, leaner, more powerful and cheaper (i pick up heaps on the side of the road that would have cost a bomb back in the day. using one now and it's fine!)
i like the tablet idea. i'm a muso as i said and instead of carrying around books of lyrics for my songs (i've written so many i need a case full of books) i can have a stand (they make them you know) for a tablet and just tap up a song that is PERFECTLY lit for me to read, unlike balancing a torch on stage.
an entire symphony orchestra has just replaced paper notes with them because they can bluetooth or wifi the score to the entire orchestra in one go and even turn the pages for them.
this stuff applies to lecture notes as well, tutorial information that can be sent to a projector for students to see on screen as the lecturer's looking at it from the lectern... and he / she can send relevant files straight to the tablet the student's using.
but you see you don't seem to see that. you have your own uses for tech and seem to think everyone else is the same as you. we're not. so why are you deciding a devices usefulness for us when you don't know us? (playing the devil's advocate in this thread because it seems to be necessary from my experience)
the tablet is a small device, easy to use and convenient to carry. i didn't like them when they first came out (like a lot of people) as i thought they were a bulky mess that would have limited use. but guess what... i was WRONG! .. it's a sign of maturity to have the ability to be wrong and admit it. and i'm confident in what i say because i have experience and have tried one.
in a few areas the tablet WILL replace the IBM and mac PC.
and it's a GOOD thing.
it gets people off the chair and actually out in the world .. outside!
sure they won't do absolutely everything a desktop will do.. so who said they would or should? but they're certainly making a dent and puppy would be FOOLISH to get all snobby and snooty because a few hipster kids are flip with their use of them.
Myth: "Tablets are more useful, and easier to use."
see previous. for some applications YES THEY ARE!
and i'm only one person telling you my uses for them.
as for the person saying "maybe your problem is you treat them like more than a toy... wow! that's really patronising!" read what i just wrote. they're NOT a toy to a lot of people.
this is a demonstration of the snobbery i see in the linux community.
like some exclusive little of club where people can feel superior to others because they've got a little secret. that's pretty sad really.
you forget the objective of linux in the first place... giving MORE people MORE freedom than evil bill gates wanted you to have ... funny how that's no longer in the mix!!
also your 'myth' was poorly worded... and loaded.
as is your next one, hysterical to devalue the argument. a standard tactic and a weak one.
Myth: "If Puppy doesn't jump on the mobile wave, we will die"
you talk about FUD then use it yourself. a bit hypocritical don't you think?
after all you were the one who just framed that 'myth'.
if puppy doesn't jump on the mobile wave it will miss a great opportunity it seems tailor made (irony) to join.. it's a light weight operating system that can be run live, from USB or from other media... sorry but where is this NOT great placement for an operating system to be inserted into devices that are lean and mean on drive real estate?????
using catastrophic language to demean other peoples' arguments is pretty childish. it's a valid point that puppy is a fantastic operating system... with its faults but certainly wipes its orris on any other variant i've tried.. and i've tried MANY .. going all the way back to SCO XENIX 3.0 (think i still have it on 5.25 floppies and all the manuals).
for crying out loud android IS a linux based operating system but it's controlled by a company even WORSE than microsoft... GOOGLE! who've SHOWN they can't be trusted and are given free reign over the data of anyone in the world who uses a computer. .. a corporation having that much control isn't for me.
didn't we learn from standard oil? .. then microsoft?.. apparently not!
puppy has an UNIQUE positioning in the world where it could explode in popularity if you get over the 'secret little club' mentality. and don't tell me it's not rife in the linux clique because i've been observing it for years.
Myth: "Puppy is perfect for the mobile space."
fact: puppy was and is designed for MANY types of hardware. i don't remember it being compulsory to have a .386 with no coprocessor to run puppy.. this is only your own bias speaking.
i run it on the latest equipment and have done so whenever new gear comes out. i used it on a brand new netbook when my ISP supplied some sloppy windows crippleware OS that ran like a cow on mandrax.
i slipped in the USB dongle with the OS on a MSD chip and it ran like a gazelle on meth.
stop making these assumptions that you know every use by every user on every bit of their tech. you don't. and attitudes like this undermine the value of the operating system.
you also throw up your hands and say "oh well mozilla's taking it all over" (to paraphrase) .. no .. it ISN'T .. but it WILL if you have that attitude.
oh and guess who mozilla's hand in glove with... .GOOGLE!
call me a conspiracy nut but why has firefox taken over 15 versions NOT to fix their massive memory leaks? ..hmmm ... what's that all about.. nice little well BIG pocket of mystery usage there. and google as the default browser? ... remember google's chrome browser? being caught AGAIN sucking up peoples' data?
(and if you don't think privacy's important give me all your banking information, where you live and when you're NOT home .. honest i won't abuse it.. you can trust me.. i'm from the internet... get the picture?)
puppy is an outpost and not affiliated to big corporations who are only answerable to themselves and their shareholders. the NSA has shown the disgraceful over-reach of one country's government (america) and a simple operating system like puppy is the PEOPLE'S way to fight back (inb4commie)
Myth: "Puppy is what people want on their mobile device."
i do! .. what's it got to do with 'fan boy'ism? .. what a patronising statement!
people want puppy because it's good and they like it.
so are you saying every time we like something we're being a 'fan boy'?
no. people find something that's good and they use it.. that's called having a BRAIN.
i have a tech friend who won't listen about puppy.. he has problems with viri and bugs and microsoft's shenanigans and i keep recommending puppy to him especially for internet use on a second partition and he won't do it.
like you he's resistant to change.
me: if i see something that does a good job .. better than what i'm using now i'll use it.
it's got nothing to do with being a 'fan boy' .. if a better operating system than puppy came along i'd use the thing!
i think the fan boy here is YOU! ... you're a fan of puppy and don't want it used in any way you don't approve of... that to me is being president of the fan boy club! .. jeez dude. get over it.
Myth: "Puppy could gain a mobile foothold."
your argument is complete nonsense. 'a market foothold' indeed. 'contacts' you say.. how do you think you get those things in the first place?
by making the tool AVAILABLE for crying out loud!
how can you sell something you haven't even got?
that's ludicrous. MAKE the thing and stop being sybil the soothsayer about how it won't work.. if it becomes popular it WILL work.
negative attitudes like yours GUARANTEE failure. like that old saying:
"if you try you have a 50% chance of failure...
if you DON'T try you have a 100% chance of failure!"
would you have predicted the success of software like 'winzip' for a random example? .. would you have said "nobody's using it so it won't work" before anyone even tried it? or knew about it? or before it even existed? .. that's your argument here.
Well... I think thats a good start to the conversation, hopefully everyone who commented before will jump on board, and we'll get some new people to join in the discussion.
you arksed for it
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i use lower case as it's the way of the future
i don't give a 3 legged dog's morning f4rt about typos and ending sentences with a preposition.
i use CaPiTaLs for emphasis like we did in ye olden days (when we used to write with the claw of a crow in fresh hot pitch.. so sue me)
i'm so random i use young people words like 'random' and i haven't used a message board in years so i'm rusty on formatting and i simply do not care, fey individual that i am.the opinion is what's important.. not being anally retentive about persnickety details.. so there
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