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[nooby]

MyLiveCD allows you to take a snapshot of your installation and burn it to a live CD/DVD

... burn a new iso and then boot it live and always be able to write
in Swedish

If you remaster a puppy installation and burn it to CD
does it retain the swedish keyboard settings?

I don't trust my ability to read texts enough to test it
but it sound possible?

But Puppy have a save file so I can save
that I use Swedish keyboard when I shut down
the first time in frugal install.

If I do frugal install of other linux then some of them
are made for full install and their "Live" does not
allow one to save on ntfs unless they have that
feature I had hoped PCLOS to have but failing
to get it to boot in frugal isntall I could not test.

Greengeek I have 8000+ posts but I know very little
so the amount of posts reflect a need for attention
and not an accumulated database of knowledge.

[WindUpToy]

I have installed PCLOS 2012.6 LXDE and just tried the remastering.

Firstly I had to get draklive-install pkg to make it work.
Secondly I had to get the pkg using Puppy to download it because its dumb connection wizard couldn't connect to UMTS/3G.
It couldn't even find a network.

Then to the remaster.
45 minutes later I cancelled the process at 19%.

What can I say without being uncharitable?

[otropogo]

Thanks for your input. I've never had any luck with Knoppix's toram option, even on machines with 4GB installed. Perhaps you could give me some tips on that with V.7.0.2? ...

Your 7.02 DVD is 4GB. Knoppix needs space to load and run. 4GB is not enough for the DVD.

Most of the stuff on the DVD is applications. They won't all be running at the same time, and certainly don't all need to be loaded into RAM.At least that's my understanding. And, IIRC, Knopper previously wrote of a recent LiveDVD, that it would run in 3GB of RAM.

But, if you have the 7.02 CD, it will work on a 4GB PC.

Should you add more RAM to your configuration, you should be able to take advantage of the speed multiplier and use the DVD version.

Puppy users are a great group. Helpful too.

Hope this helps

[nooby]

WindUpToy thanks for that test.
I would not even have known
to do what you retell here.

Much appreciated you did this.

[Colonel Panic]

Thanks for your input. I've never had any luck with Knoppix's toram option, even on machines with 4GB installed. Perhaps you could give me some tips on that with V.7.0.2? ...

Your 7.02 DVD is 4GB. Knoppix needs space to load and run. 4GB is not enough for the DVD.

Most of the stuff on the DVD is applications. They won't all be running at the same time, and certainly don't all need to be loaded into RAM.At least that's my understanding. And, IIRC, Knopper previously wrote of a recent LiveDVD, that it would run in 3GB of RAM.

But, if you have the 7.02 CD, it will work on a 4GB PC.

Should you add more RAM to your configuration, you should be able to take advantage of the speed multiplier and use the DVD version.

Puppy users are a great group. Helpful too.

Hope this helps

Yeah, Knoppix is definitely one of the more established live distros out there.

I tried to log into Frugalware several times last night and failed (even copying the /etc/skel folder into /home didn't work), so I DBANned my hard drive and installed Mint Debian on it instead. So far it's been pretty good except that the system update didn't complete properly, but I can't say I've experienced any problems from that so far.

Mint Debian comes with two desktop environments, MATE and Cinnamon. I'm using Cinnamon now and it looks like a very good environment. I can definitely recommend this distro from what I've seen of it so far.

[jakfish]

Over at Google Groups, very clever people have ported Ice Cream Sandwich to x-86 platforms. From the generic port, there are offshoots specific to a variety of netbooks (the Asus EEE, others including my machine, the Lenovo S10-3t).

Lots 'o fun. Wifi, PIM syncing, and the Dolphin browser is impressive. Android flies on a netbook and it made for good enough practice that I soon switched to an Android phone, which I also really like.

http://groups.google.com/group/android- ... 4bbef2021d

While the posts themselves are informative, Google Groups utterly sucks. Sluggish, poor searches, the usual Google approach to things.

But the work done deserves applause.

Jake

[Colonel Panic]

Over at Google Groups, very clever people have ported Ice Cream Sandwich to x-86 platforms. From the generic port, there are offshoots specific to a variety of netbooks (the Asus EEE, others including my machine, the Lenovo S10-3t).

Lots 'o fun. Wifi, PIM syncing, and the Dolphin browser is impressive. Android flies on a netbook and it made for good enough practice that I soon switched to an Android phone, which I also really like.

http://groups.google.com/group/android- ... 4bbef2021d

While the posts themselves are informative, Google Groups utterly sucks. Sluggish, poor searches, the usual Google approach to things.

But the work done deserves applause.

Jake

Agreed, this is amazing! Perhaps this is the answer for people with very old computers.

[nooby]

Cool thanks for the link to android.
I tried it out some years ago when
they had the very first version
but this should be much more worked out.

But how do I do frugal install on NTFS?
What grub4dos code?

[jakfish]

Hi, nooby,

Don’t do a frugal install to NTFS. Android x-86 won’t give root on NTFS and you'll have other problems.

Unetbootin to a usb drive, boot from that, and install it on ext2-formatted sd card (class 10) or empty ext2 drive.

Jake

[starhawk]

nooby, Android is not really Linux. I like to call Android the "inbred third cousin of Linux" because the way it works does not make much sense to me.

It does have, as its core, a Linux kernel. However, everything on top of that, everything that is added to that, is Java and, as such, must be interpreted at runtime.

A bit more info on that... there are basically two kinds of programming language, that which is compiled and that which is interpreted. The distinction is really a matter of "when".

Compiling, in programming jargon/lingo/phraseology refers to a particular action of transformation. If you write programming ("code" in programmer slang) in, say, C++, you have a little problem with executing that code -- it is not a language that any piece of discrete hardware actually can use, natively. So it must be translated into what is called 'assembly language', 'assembly code', or 'machine code' -- binary (10101101) represented usually as hexadecimal ("hex") pairs with a 0x prefix (0x9A216D = 10101101).

If you compile your code (this is how C++ tends to work) then it is compiled once, and you have a 'binary' or 'executable' that you can run basically whenever you want to. Interpreted code, however, does not form an executable file -- it instead remains source code until execution is ordered. It only gets compiled when it runs, but it must compile each and every time it runs. This is how Java works, by design.

So Android is very strange, because almost all of its functionality depends on interpreted code that must be compiled at each runtime -- and certainly not all at once! This is why (at least, as far as I can tell) it needs tremendous processor power and RAM space to work with, and why lower-power ARM tablets (such as the under-$100 Chinese ones all over eBay) are horridly slow.

On the other hand, there is a tremendous benefit to this, and I'm pretty sure that this one feature is why Google made Android the way they did. Once you have a kernel and some small interpreter on top of it, you don't have to worry about what hardware is underneath. Android can run on literally almost anything because the Java-interpretation method allows user programs and interfaces to completely ignore what hardware is underneath -- everything becomes a simple question of computing "horsepower". One does not have to design for this processor vs. that processor (which is very good, because ARM systems tend to have extreme hardware differences) -- just code a program for Android, and it will run in Android.

This brings to mind a term I like to use sometimes, "kludge". I'm told it's properly spelled "kluge" and pronounced "klooj" but I tend to pronounce it "kluhj". I'm American. We do a lot of things wrong around here, why make any exceptions? "Kludge", as I use it, is a synonym of "jerry-rig" or "jury-rig" (I've never been able to pin down the proper spelling). That is to say, an apparently hazardous and seemingly poorly-thought-out solution to a problem, usually using scrap and spare materials that are readily at hand. (Such as using a Pringles can and duct tape for car engine repairs, like this.)

One might consider Android to be an "elegant kludge" (normally a severe contradiction in terms). That is: it works wonderfully, with few undesirable side effects, but for all the wrong reasons.

[jakfish]

Starhawk, thanks for the informative explanation. I had known very little of this.

Jake

[starhawk]

Glad to know that there's *something* useful rattling around in this brain of mine

[nooby]

starhawk, that where wonderfully put.
Oh so it is that much interpreted. Oups not good.

But does that not mean that if one are able to
get puppy to work on ARM tablets or those
PC-on-a-stick and Mini-TV or whatever they
are named Mele 1000 and MK802 and all of them
then puppy would fly fast on them not being interpreted?

I will give up on Android indeed I am not on that level

Thanks for brightening my day here. Big friendly smile!

[starhawk]

I'll actually be receiving one of those "stick systems", as I've come to call them, sometime next week. I traded for it on another forum.

Probably it will wind up running Bodhi or similar. I have neither patience nor skill for the kind of work it would take to get Puppy on that thing, although if someone is interested in trying to walk me through it, I will not object.

The specific model headed towards me is a CX-01 "Android Cloud Stick" containing a Telechips TCC8925 SoC and a Mali-400 GPU. There is an open-source driver for the GPU here, but I don't think it's been ported to that specific CPU yet, so I may be SOL (s*** out of luck) here.

More info on that particular device here --> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/14/ ... cortex-a5/

[d4p]

Android is bootable on USBHDD NTFS partition with grub4dos. Sound & internet connection have no problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alYvE-l9 ... e=youtu.be

[jakfish]

True, but Android-x86 setup is pretty basic and if you choose the ntfs drive (that has Windows, etc), there's a good chance you'll wipe the ntfs.

I've installed to an ext2 usb drive, then moved the installed directories (usb will still need grub to boot) to ntfs, and that'll give what you say, but no root, which is where all the fun is

So I installed to sd card, class 10. Running an installed Android x-86 on USB is maddeningly slow and can cause crashes on setup.

Jake

[James C]

Latest DSL 4.11rc......... still great on older hardware.
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

[starhawk]

Hey, except for the text style, particularly in the bottom tray (what Windows people call the Taskbar...), that actually looks --dare I say it-- nice!

Also: must... have... wallpaper... aargh!

[James C]

Testing another distro too......

[Colonel Panic]

Hey, except for the text style, particularly in the bottom tray (what Windows people call the Taskbar...), that actually looks --dare I say it-- nice!

Also: must... have... wallpaper... aargh!

Yeah, it's great to see a distro as old as DSL making a comeback.

James, I thought CrunchBang was a great distro except aesthetically it's a bit on the "dark and stark" side for my taste. It works really well and is economical on system resources.