Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

[Iguleder]

Here's an experimental desktop for 010: Openbox as the window manager (no desktop menu), fbpanel as the panel and Obconf to configure Openbox.

Very lightweight, fbpanel is lighter than lxpanel and Openbox doesn't have all the session-management-related stuff, so it's extra lightweight. See the package size

The menus are messed up, I'll ask playdayz how he got around this problem.

Needs testing

[upnorth]

ob/fbpanel works fine so far.
obconf needed these on a clean install
libxcb-aux.so.0
libxcb-event.so.1
libxcb-atom.so.1


installed your volumeicon from here:
http://brainwavedesigncentral.net/dima/ ... -0.2.1.pet
looks good in the translucent/transparent fbpanel

selecting "reboot" from menu may cause a hard reset, i edited:
in .config/fbpanel/default:
item {
name = Reboot
image = /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/shutdown24.png
action = wmreboot
}

[Bert]

Nice!

In the LXDE-light thread I wrote:

You are right disciple.

This is the difference I get, Dpup running with no apps open, except system info:

JWM : 73 MB
LXDE-light: 96 MB

This is what I get with your openbox-fbpanel combo:
( was 89 MB without the screenshot utility running)
Thanks!

[Iguleder]

Uploaded a Trinity base SFS, here. The SFS contains kdelibs-trinity, kdebase-trinity and xdg menu stuff Puppy lacks.

There's also a SFS with libs and a third SFS with /etc/profile.local, some stuff that must run before X starts to make sure the shell finds Trinity plus some variables Trinity needs.

If you want to try it, use a clean save because it might ruin your installation. So far there's one issue, the media manager won't start and I don't know why. I want to use hal and dbus from Debian in 010 to see if they're the reason for this problem.

Oh, and another issue - for some reason if you use just the base Trinity (kdebase-trinity) there are sounds for pretty much all events of kwin. However, if you use the full desktop (forgot the package name, I built a SFS from it too), it also comes with some default settings and those annoying sounds are gone.

Bert: so you say we should stick with JWM?

[Bert]

Bert: so you say we should stick with JWM?

No, no, just reporting my findings.
The added RAM usage is not that big, at least on a more or less recent machine it will hardly weigh.
It seems you and Playdayz found good reasons to switch from JWM to something else, as an experiment at least.
Again, I was just reporting. Luckily I lack all qualifications to judge and propose decisions

[Jim1911]

Uploaded a Trinity base SFS, here. The SFS contains kdelibs-trinity, kdebase-trinity and xdg menu stuff Puppy lacks.

Thanks, but that link returns, 403 Permission Denied.

[Iguleder]

Just take a look at the screenies from the famous thread we have, it's quite obvious what makes a desky ugly (*ahem, JWM*).

I just thought, maybe we should try something new. Something that no other Puppy ever had.

Don't forget we have the fullscreen problems and all the traditional difficulties that come with JWM, that's another reason to look for alternatives to JWM.

[Bert]

Thanks, but that link returns, 403 Permission Denied.

Jim, same here at first, but now it's working..

[Jim1911]

Thanks, but that link returns, 403 Permission Denied.

Jim, same here at first, but now it's working..

No change for my connection.

[Bert]

Oops, you are right!

At first I couldn't even get into the parent directory. After a while it worked, but no further than that. Permission denied for both trinity.sfs and the trinity-installer.
Guess we'll have to wait till Igu gets home and fixes it.

[James C]

I pulled an old P4 off the shelf, removed a gb of ram and turned it into another test box.Fresh frugal install of 009.
Initial boot had working sound and internet connection and easily got the correct screen resolution.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Puppy Squeeze, version 009

Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#


# glxgears
1665 frames in 5.0 seconds = 332.713 FPS
1928 frames in 5.0 seconds = 385.490 FPS
1945 frames in 5.0 seconds = 388.947 FPS
1942 frames in 5.0 seconds = 388.308 FPS
1928 frames in 5.0 seconds = 385.388 FPS
2833 frames in 5.0 seconds = 566.590 FPS
3338 frames in 5.0 seconds = 667.595 FPS
3339 frames in 5.0 seconds = 667.645 FPS
3236 frames in 5.0 seconds = 647.167 FPS
3400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 679.858 FPS



-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 513MB (130MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 23 Oct 2010 11:47:58 PM GMT-8
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation

[musher0]

Just take a look at the screenies from the famous thread we have, it's quite obvious what makes a desky ugly (*ahem, JWM*).

I just thought, maybe we should try something new. Something that no other Puppy ever had. [...]
.

May I suggest pekwm ? http://pekwm.org/projects/pekwm

[pemasu]

Woof uploaded, October 24, 2010

[Iguleder]

Indeed, Woof is here

Time to make a good beta-quality 010 ISO

EDIT: 010 has so many changes ... the list is partial:
- Uget
- Smaller Osmo with horizonal layout
- Smaller xpad
- Hacked DeaDBeeF with audio CD playing capability
- GNOME file icons
- HomeBank
- fpm2
- Viewnior
- New CPU frequency scaling tool
- LXRandR
- bluez-gnome and bluez
- rgbPaint
- Luvcview
- Font size and Seamonkey fixes for xchat
- mhwaveedit
- New Woof with the alsa fix
- Smaller and better 2.6.32.24

Should we use Barry's 2.6.34.6 from Wary? Also, pekwm is interesting.

[pemasu]

Barrys 2.6.34.6 kernel has special patch, and so far there is no experience and enough data how it works. Latest Wary 0.92 has problems already. Openoffice and libreOffice does not work with it. Well... maybe jemimah`s version works. I wouldnt change kernel too quickly.

I suppose you havent uploaded delta_iso yet. Hungrily waiting....

[Iguleder]

At the moment Woof is running, it's in the package download stage. I already integrated all the goodies we made so far and recompiled 2.6.32.24 with some stuff I missed.

I'm also compiling 2.6.35.7, my netbook needs it.

[pemasu]

My laptop also benefits from 2.6.35.7 kernel because it detects my eth0 wired lan card automatically, so no need to compile the driver.
It would be nice to have dpup010 with two different kernel choices ??!!

[Iguleder]

One kernel is 2.6.32.24, the other can be either 2.6.35.7 or Barry's 2.6.34.6 from Wary. I say we should use the latter for two reasons:
- Barry's additions, like the modem drivers
- Ready nvidia drivers
- Barry know better and if he picked 2.6.34.6, there's a good reason for this
- 2.6.36 is out and still no aufs for it, so we can't use it

EDIT: I guess we'll use 2.6.34.6, I'll compile a 2.6.35.7 kernel with some extra tuning for laptops.

EDIT 2: big success! I built an ISO with my 2.6.35.7, the alsa levels fix works! Everything looks great (using Xfce-basic and the Ubuntu font, 12 pixels). However, mplayer is broken becuse of one library I missed and I'm getting some weird black pixels in a pattern on my Eee.

This laptop-specific kernel uses "ondemand" for CPU frequency scaling so it takes more time to boot, but it saves power and I can tell that the fan is very very very quiet, at least on my Eee. This kernel has wireless and audio power saving enabled by default.

[01micko]

one problem with wary as is to lupu|dpup nvidia drivers is that the path to the xorg drivers is different from 7.3 to 7.5 . That could be worked around by some restructuring but better I think to recompile. Especially since to have true compatibility the kernel needs to be recompiled (as you are doing) against the current gcc, You know what I mean

Cheers

[Iguleder]

It's time for someone to make a good kernel that can be used by both Lupu and Squeeze, imho

Compatibility between the two is good, let's take it one step further