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Hi Lob

I have noticed shortcomings in Seamonkey too. Heaven or Hell forbid, maybe Sage is right!

For this series we will stick with it, but I intend a decent upgrade in the New Year, possibly with Opera as the default browser. I have always liked Opera. I have stuck with Seamonkey because I like it too. However it is getting too closely tied to Firefox, which I have never liked. As a matter of fact, ttuuxx posted a link referring to Firefox's movement to the dark side.

Over the coming months I am going to rigorously test and abuse Opera, I think it can be made smaller than Seamonkey too. It does have proprietary ties but I will draw attention to pa_mcmlamrock's signature...

It's stupid to use inferior software for ideological reasons.
--Linus Torvalds

01micko wrote:For this series we will stick with it, but I intend a decent upgrade in the New Year, possibly with Opera as the default browser. I have always liked Opera. I have stuck with Seamonkey because I like it too.

I think webkit-based browsers (Chrome and other metals, Midori, Safari) are better these days because webkit looks like a better engine.
The only problem I see is that no one else besides Google makes a version that is not i686. So older hardware is eliminated.

A Midori 0.4+ (i486/i586) looks an very appealing alternative if possible...

I like opera very much, especially the mailing engine is very nice (I have a small business with different office-locations and I have to use Imap accounts to stay in sync everywhere). I especially like the "thread"-view of the mails.

For me opera is superior to seamonkey as browser and mail client, but there is no composer module. How many people need that?

kind regards
emil

Hi all

Browser? - always a personal choice - however for me

1) Opera 2) QtWeb 3) Seamonkey 4) Dillo

very rarely use firefox - too greedy with resouces.
(especially with ram challenged kit)

Usually run an SFS loaded with JRB's excellent sfs_tcz linker
or expand a tgz into a folder and then execute it from there.

One of the many benefits is that your save_file is kept free of cr*p
and any of the browsers in folders on the hdd are readily / easily
available to your Puppy of choice.

Just my 0002 cents worth - HTH - regards Ray

Hi 01micko:

Thank you very much for this pup distro.

I have one problem: when I load devx_XXX.sfs file. Gcc works good, But I have find a "bug", maybe it is not.


# gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.5.2/specs
COLLECT_GCC=gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.5.2/lto-wrapper
Target: i486-slackware-linux
Configured with: ../gcc-4.5.2/configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/man --infodir=/usr/info --enable-shared --enable-bootstrap --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc,lto --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --with-python-dir=/lib/python2.6/site-packages --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libssp --enable-lto --with-gnu-ld --verbose --with-arch=i486 --target=i486-slackware-linux --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.5.2 (GCC)
#


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This: --with-python-dir=/lib/python2.6/site-packages

python2.6 is in /usr/lib/ not /lib/

So I think it will wrong when comoile gcc-version in spup.

I do not know why, When I go to slackware linux, I find the same problem.

01micko wrote:
Over the coming months I am going to rigorously test and abuse Opera

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Mick... dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job. Browsers are not just for surfing porn sites

DaveS wrote:
Mick... dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job. Browsers are not just for surfing porn sites

Just did, printed the forum index page nicely

Thanks to rcrsn51 we now have guvcview, webcam app

guvcview-1.5.0-s.pet

It requires portaudio, jack, v4l-utils.. all found if you enable the Salix repo in PPM

It also requires an older libavutil and libavcodec which are packaged here and wont interfere with the current ffmpeg libs.

wuxiandianzi

Consider this:
Target: i486-slackware-linux
Configured with: ../gcc-4.5.2/configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/man --infodir=/usr/info --enable-shared --enable-bootstrap --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc,lto --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --with-python-dir=/lib/python2.6/site-packages --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libssp --enable-lto --with-gnu-ld --verbose --with-arch=i486 --target=i486-slackware-linux --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.5.2 (GCC)

Usually, when another dir location is specified as an argument of configure it is under $prefix It isn't obvious there but if you got the source (available from Slackware repos) and ran ./configure --help I bet that would totally satisfy your curiosity.

By the way, python is tested as working.

01micko wrote:Over the coming months I am going to rigorously test and abuse Opera, I think it can be made smaller than Seamonkey too. It does have proprietary ties but I will draw attention to pa_mcmlamrock's signature...

It's stupid to use inferior software for ideological reasons.
--Linus Torvalds

Good to hear Opera is being considered..
It's really good, I didn't want to admit it, but there's no denying it..

For what it's worth (not much I'm sure) I have found that Puppy Linux in particular (new and old) seems to render page slowly in Firefox more and more often - particularly AJAX, JS and even high quality images laden pages..

Not to mention that different JS frameworks (jQuery, mooTools, Dojo, etc) have widely varying performance results across the various browsers - with FF not doing great with many of them (jQuery is a good all-rounder) in comparison to Opera and Chrome...

Seamonkey is about the same as FF for me, their rendering engine is clearly lagging behind webkit and some others.. A lot of sites seem to load much smoother and faster in Chrome, or my personal favourite over the last 6 months, Opera.

(Not including elinks and links, which I love!)

If anyone wants to play with the latest Opera (11.51) I uploaded an sfs here http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/DaveS/opera/
Tested on Slacko/Wary/Racy
ps: am aware menu icon is missing

username puppy
password linux

DaveS wrote:dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job.

This issue came up a while ago. IIRC, the solution was to take Opera out of fit-to-page mode. Perhaps some of the Opera-lovers can test this.

Lobster wrote:
Is there any other advantage of PAE? Should I go over to that to see if it works as before?

Thanks guys.

Lobster, trying to determine the same but unlike you cann't get enough apps going to lock up either.

on 2d simple paper view pae version is + 10% from the get go.

rcrsn51 wrote:

DaveS wrote:dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job.

This issue came up a while ago. IIRC, the solution was to take Opera out of fit-to-page mode. Perhaps some of the Opera-lovers can test this.

Thanks. Will give this a try.

@ 01micko
Re this post.
1. Installed:
guvcview-1.5.0-s.pet
libavxxx-5250.pet
Enabled Slackware-13.37-salix repo in PPM, and found and installed:
portaudio-v19
jack-1.9.6 [2 entries shown in PPM]
Couldn't find "v4l" or "v4l-utils" [is that an ell after v4?]

2. guvcview is shown in "Menu->Multimedia" but won't run when that is clicked.
When I enter guvcview in a terminal window, I get an error as follows:
"guvcview: error while loading shared libraries: libv412.so.0: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory"

Same problem here...

bigpup wrote:Slacko 5.3 main

Still having this problem.

Frugal install to USB flash drive
Save option - save to partition sdb1(the flash drive)

menu->shutdown->reboot or poweroff

Goes to saving session to sdb1 message

Then back to desktop.

Does not poweroff computer or reboot.

If you make a save file to flash drive. no problems.

This only happens if you use save option save to sdb1 (the flash drive)

@Sylvander: Please try this package.

guvcview_slack_DEP-1.5.0.pet

It contains all the dependencies for guvcview required by Slacko.

Hi 01micko

Just got around to testing Slacko on my Acer Aspire One netbook and
I'm also encountering problems with 'flsynclient' and touchpad settings.
I've managed to get the tapping working fine but the problem I'm seeing is with the 'Touch Sensitivity' slider.If I move it up and down,I can eventually get the right speeds.I then save the settings and quit.If I check the settings out in .flsynclient all seems to be correct there too until I reboot,at which point I lose all control over the cursor,the'Touch Sensitivity' slider is back at '0'and I have to set it all up again.
Any help appreciated?

New bug fixed version of Grub4dos.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51697

@rcrsn51 - Installed:

guvcview-1.5.0-s.pet

and

guvcview_slack-DEP-1.5.0.pet

Video working perfectly for my Slacko 5.3; haven't tried audio yet. Thanks for the pets!