Fatdog64-710 Final [4 Dec 2016]

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Billtoo · #81 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 16:25

I edited the syslinux.cfg of my Macmini install adding
"intel_pstate=disable", the cpu has a limit of 2501 MHz now and runs cooler.

******************************************************************************************
label fatdog-usb
linux vmlinuz
initrd initrd
append rootfstype=ramfs intel_pstate=disable waitdev=5
menu label Fatdog64 with savefile in USB device
text help
Start Fatdog with savefile in USB device.
This entry adds 'waitdev=5' to ensure that USB devices are ready so
that the savefile can be found and loaded.
endtext
******************************************************************************************

CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3210M (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/2501 MHz

TeX Dog · #82 Post by **TeX Dog** » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 16:54

@billtoo thanks for the intel_pstate=disable.

Seems that intel_pstate is causing boot issues as well https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110941

That maybe why the lenovo boot takes so long with newer fatdogs <minutes>

Billtoo · #83 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 17:58

TeX Dog wrote:@billtoo thanks for the intel_pstate=disable.

You're welcome, forum member @norgo told me about that quite a while ago.

Lobster · #84 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 14 Dec 2016, 08:27

SFR wrote:
Does it work if you invoke xlock or xlock-gui from CLI?

Hello

xlock works

for # xlock-gui I get
xlock: bad command line option "locked"

SFR wrote:
Lobster wrote:What encryption does Fatdog use? Is it available from the command line? Ahhh just found Bcrypt GUI . . . as you were . . .
There are also:
- scrypt (+ Scrypt GUI)
- cryptsetup, for partition-based encryption (also used for savefile encryption)
- encfs, for folder-based encryption
- gpg (+ gpg2 in devx)
- dislocker-fuse, for read/write access to Bitlocker-encrypted paritions
- additionaly: aescrypt, steghide, truecrypt and veracrypt are in the repo

Greetings!

The use of spot and the above seems to indicate potentially more security than Puppy.
Aye caramba ... darkweb here I come - not!

Good to know. Will look into that listing . . .

SFR · #85 Post by **SFR** » Wed 14 Dec 2016, 13:06

Lobster wrote:for # xlock-gui I get
xlock: bad command line option "locked"

See if this "locked" option is in ~/.xlock-gui and delete it from there, if so.
Alternatively, just re-configure xlock via "Configure Xlock screen locking" in Control Panel.
This should fix it.
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mavrothal wrote:I actually ment "does not check for a sensible available space". ie does not mane sense to suggest a savefile/folder in devices with less than 100MB free space.

Well, it's a bit more complicated, because Fatdog creates a savefile as a sparse file, so it only takes as much space on disk as all the files in it.
Therefore it's possible to create, say 4GiB savefile on a partiton that has only 1GiB of free space at the moment and free up the space later, as the savefile is growing over time.
Yes, such an approach may lead to problems if you're not aware of how it works, but thanks to this creating even large savefiles takes a few seconds.

Generally, I'd say Fatdog puts more emphasis on efficiency and simplicity over ease of use.

Greetings!

mavrothal · #86 Post by **mavrothal** » Wed 14 Dec 2016, 14:16

SFR wrote:I'd say Fatdog puts more emphasis on efficiency

Ah, now I see why it suggests a savefile on an 1.4MB floppy disk

Seriously though, I see your point.
All I say is that little presumed "oversights" may suggest a "rough" OS to a first time user, and this does not do justice to the work done here.
There are hundreds of linuxes to "download for a spin" and if the first ride is not fully satisfying you just "spin" the next one...
Then again, I've been wrong before

Billtoo · #87 Post by **Billtoo** » Wed 14 Dec 2016, 22:30

Installed to a 128gb SSD running on a hp desktop pc:

# sh inxi -bw
System: Host: fatdog64-HPE-410f Kernel: 4.4.35 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Openbox 3.5.2
Distro: Fatdog64 Linux 710
Machine: Device: desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HPE-410f serial: MXX0370KF3
Mobo: FOXCONN model: 2AB1 v: 1.00 BIOS: American Megatrends v: 6.02 date: 07/21/2010
CPU: Hexa core AMD Phenom II X6 1045T (-MCP-) speed/max: 800/2700 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Redwood PRO [Radeon HD 5550/5570/5630/6510/6610/7570]
Display Server: X.org 1.18.3 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 161x60 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1126.5GB (0.5% used)
Weather: Conditions: 27 F (-3 C) - Mostly Cloudy Time: December 14, 4:58 PM EST
Info: Processes: 223 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 255.0/7985.3MB Client: Shell (sh) inxi: 2.3.5
# free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 8176948 812060 7364888 7624 57116 498572
-/+ buffers/cache: 256372 7920576
Swap: 3071996 0 3071996
#

I installed Ace of Penguins solitaire game with gslapt but no menu
entry is created, there is no menu entry for gexec either although it
is installed.

The radeon driver is working well, so is the intel driver on my Macmini
install.

Thanks.

prehistoric · #88 Post by **prehistoric** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 01:01

Sigh! Adobe has replaced the 11 series of Flash Player with 24.0.0.186, in the process they have broken the update script.

out_of_whack · #89 Post by **out_of_whack** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 01:07

I am fairly new to FD and by going through all the posts in this topic I get the impression FD does not recognize different savefiles, or let me put it this way, if I have more than one savefile with different names in the same location FD does not give me a choice which one to load.

I asume to be able to use different savefiles, you have to create seperate entries in your bootloader? Or is there a different way to achieve this?

Also, can I actually permanently move the save to ram icon to a different location and have it come up there at reboot? I can move it, but it pops right back to the original location at reboot. Yes, I saved ram before shutting down. Renaming the icon is not permanent either.

Thanks in advance

prehistoric · #90 Post by **prehistoric** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 02:57

@out_of_whack

I don't know what your situation is, but I can tell you that I am running several versions of Fatdog. These are in separate directories which hold both the vmlinuz and initrd files, as well as the fdsave.ext4 files. You can give save files or save folders different names, but I'd rather not get into the way these are examined and parsed in detail.

Here's a relevant section of my menu.lst file for Grub version 1. If you are running Grub2 or Grub4dos the syntax will be different.

Code: Select all

# Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Fatdog Linux 710 (on /dev/sda2)
  root (hd0,1)
  kernel /FD710/vmlinuz savefile=direct:device:sda2:/FD710/fd64save.ext4 
  initrd /FD710/initrd
# Linux bootable partition config ends

# Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Tahrpup 6.0.5 test (on /dev/sda2)
  root (hd0,1)
  kernel /tahrpup/vmlinuz 
  initrd /tahrpup/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

# Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Fatdog Linux 710b2 test (on /dev/sda2)
  root (hd0,1)
  kernel /FD710b2/vmlinuz savefile=direct:device:sda2:/FD710b2/fd64save.ext4 
  initrd /FD710b2/initrd
# Linux bootable partition config ends

If you only want different savefiles or save folders there is no need to put copies of vmlinuz and initrd in each, you can simply link to common files used by all, which could be in a different directory. I've done things this way because it makes it easy to experiment with different builds.

out_of_whack · #91 Post by **out_of_whack** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 03:21

@ prehistoric

Well, this is what I thought I have to do. It is just different from regular pups, where you just create different savefiles and at boot puppy asks which one to use. But that's ok too. Thanks for the info.

prehistoric · #92 Post by **prehistoric** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 14:24

@out_of_whack

Fatdog is a completely new build using "Linux From Scratch" methods. You can create multiple save files with different names, but I'm still not sure how it will handle them in every case. It will ignore name extensions. This bothered me when the extension said ext4 but the underlying file system was ext3. I converted one installation from a savefile to save folder where this would have been a problem. It turns out Fatdog doesn't depend on file types named in those extensions. I even deleted the extension entirely, and it still handled the folder.

Using separate folders was not a big deal for me because I expected to experiment with different kernels. I'm just telling you something I am sure works. You can experiment with various naming schemes to see how close you can come to the approach you used in Puppy, but don't assume this is a Pupplet.

TeX Dog · #93 Post by **TeX Dog** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 16:58

@out_of_whack
I would agree with prehistoric the wise Wooly Penguin, there is so much to take in with Fatdog64 and its methods, not to get bogged down with this, yes its different but so is Quirky.

DrDeaf · #94 Post by **DrDeaf** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 17:44

Billtoo wrote: I installed Ace of Penguins solitaire game with gslapt but no menu
entry is created, there is no menu entry for gexec either although it
is installed.

For months at a time my network access is usually over the cellular system. So, except for the first download I install everything from a saved txz file and I rarely install with gslapt. However, I have occasionally had the Ace of Penguins subsequently fail to appear in the menu but a "RestartX" fixes it right up.

Hope I understood and this helps!

DrDeaf · #95 Post by **DrDeaf** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 18:13

@sfr, out_of_whack, prehistoric

The current discussion of the savefile for FD710 brings me to ask this question:
I always boot to RAM from a clean iso file. I never make a savefile. I gave it a try but it is just not compatible with my FD practices.
However, if I could generate a sfs file that loads a desired configuration after a cold boot, that would be worth a try. So, is there a way to create a sfs that saves a freshly configured cold boot for a future use?
Best regards to all!

drunkjedi · #96 Post by **drunkjedi** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 18:27

Hi DrDeaf,

I did not try this, but should work.

Boot fresh as you do.
Make changes in configs.
Create savefile (I belive savefiles are nothing but sfs files.) or create savefolder.
And boot next time fresh too, and make sfs of that save folder.
Load that SFS with extrasfs boot parameters or after boot with sfs_load script like regular sfs.

Why I think this would work?
Because I seem to remember that sfs in fatdog are loaded on top layer of base system, unlike other pups where sfs are loaded below base system.

So changing, upgrading system with sfs is possible in Fatdog.

This I have read somewhere on forum or in FAQs but don't remember where.

watchdog · #97 Post by **watchdog** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 19:59

Why so many people and puppy's users do not want to use a savefile? Store the freshly saved savefile and any sfs you use and keep happy! On the other hand the old manner of remastering still works.

Billtoo · #98 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 20:47

DrDeaf wrote:
Billtoo wrote: I installed Ace of Penguins solitaire game with gslapt but no menu
entry is created, there is no menu entry for gexec either although it
is installed.
For months at a time my network access is usually over the cellular system. So, except for the first download I install everything from a saved txz file and I rarely install with gslapt. However, I have occasionally had the Ace of Penguins subsequently fail to appear in the menu but a "RestartX" fixes it right up.

Hope I understood and this helps!

Hi,

Fixmenus or restarting x doesn't put an icon on the menu, I put a gexec icon on the desktop and start ace of penguins and other apps with that.
Lxterminal and TAS created a menu icon and work fine when installed with gslapt.

Thanks

Billtoo · #99 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 20:49

I did a new install to a 32gb SDHC card, pc is a Gateway desktop.

# sh inxi -bw
System: Host: fatdog64-Gateway Kernel: 4.4.35 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Openbox 3.5.2
Distro: Fatdog64 Linux 710
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Gateway model: FX6860 serial: 109726660000629
BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01-A3 date: 04/19/2011
CPU: Quad core Intel Core i7-2600 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1600/3401 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti OEM]
Display Server: X.org 1.18.3 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,nv,vesa)
tty size: 135x38 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 2032.4GB (0.3% used)
Weather: Conditions: 14 F (-10 C) - Mostly Cloudy Time: December 15, 3:27 PM EST
Info: Processes: 228 Uptime: 1:02 Memory: 481.2/16031.8MB Client: Shell (sh) inxi: 2.3.5
# free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 16416580 6166920 10249660 9344 178460 5502512
-/+ buffers/cache: 485948 15930632
Swap: 3071996 0 3071996
#

The nouveau driver works well for videos on this computer.
I had to add the "intel_pstate=disable" to the syslinux.cfg on this
computer as well.

Thanks

SFR · #100 Post by **SFR** » Thu 15 Dec 2016, 22:16

@Billtoo:
Gexec has no menu entry, but it can be launched via Alt+F2 shortcut.

Ace of Penguins package does not contain a desktop file at all, because it's not provided with the source code.
Anyway, I made one + simple Xdialog launcher.
I also fixed crash after pressing F1 (to show Help).

Package attached (remove fake '.gz' extension).

Greetings!

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