Slacko 5.7 final - 8 March 2014

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Volhout · #81 Post by **Volhout** » Wed 04 Dec 2013, 14:48

Christos,

You may need to remaster after removing packages.
The packages are not physically removed from the main SFS until you do so.

Volhout

koulaxizis · #82 Post by **koulaxizis** » Wed 04 Dec 2013, 14:55

Volhout wrote:Christos,

You may need to remaster after removing packages.
The packages are not physically removed from the main SFS until you do so.

Volhout

Hello Volhout!

Yes, i know that the packages will be removed after the remaster...

But when i uninstall a builtin app, even if i manually remove the folder and the shortcut, it keeps coming back!!

gcmartin · #83 Post by **gcmartin** » Wed 04 Dec 2013, 15:21

I "think", I reported a problem in the ability of pBurn to "see" a previously written DVD-RW as a rewritable disc over the last week. This problem seemingly was confined to -RW because I had NOT observed it on other +RW media. When asking pBurn to display "Disc info", it constantly has shown the disc as readonly ... ROM media and never shown as RW media. This problem was replicated over various 64bit ans 32bit PUPs.

Well, I'm happy to report that today, I did the following on Slacko 5.6.0 distro:

downloaded and installed the pBurn latest PET; namely 4.3.3
and successful blanked and reburned the DVD-RW on this distro.

The system now behaves with the -RW media just as I have had success with other +RW media and pBurn in the past.

bigpup · #84 Post by **bigpup** » Wed 04 Dec 2013, 19:13

01 micko,

I think I know why you are using the Firefox ESR version of the browser, but I wonder if this is the best way to go.

The latest version of the Firefox ESR is 24.1.1

The Updates Manager does not list this, version 24.1.1, as an update option.

Letting the Firefox internal update, be able to do updates, would seem to be a better option, then only doing it from Updates Manager.

For security reason if nothing else.
Security Advisories for Firefox ESR
http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-v ... oxESR.html

James C · #85 Post by **James C** » Wed 04 Dec 2013, 20:33

FWIW, they do the same security updates on ESR as the regular versions....

http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-v ... oxESR.html

Fixed in Firefox ESR 17.0.11

MFSA 2013-103 Miscellaneous Network Security Services (NSS) vulnerabilities

Fixed in Firefox ESR 24.1.1

MFSA 2013-103 Miscellaneous Network Security Services (NSS) vulnerabilities

http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-v ... refox.html

Fixed in Firefox 25.0.1

MFSA 2013-103 Miscellaneous Network Security Services (NSS) vulnerabilities

don570 · #86 Post by **don570** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 00:56

I made a gimp 2.8.10 package on precise puppy that
also works on Slacko. It can open mypaint ORA files if python
is installed.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 479#741479

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bigpup · #87 Post by **bigpup** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 07:04

I decided to start using the personal version of Firefox and not the ESR version.

Installed a Firefox 24 pet package from Lucid Puppy repository.
Seems to have changed over with no problem.
This personal Firefox 24 auto updated to firefox 25.0.1
Firefox internal update works in it.

Why do this.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/
Firefox ESR

Who is it not for?

Individual users who always want the latest features, performance enhancements and technologies in their browser without waiting for them to become available in ESR several development cycles later.

For anyone that does not know.
The Firefox ESR version, that is pre-installed in Slacko, can only be updated with the "Updates Manager".
The Firefox ESR internal update will not work.

As I understand, "Updates Manager" gets the updates from Slackware repository.

koulaxizis · #88 Post by **koulaxizis** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 09:51

bigpup wrote:I decided to start using the personal version of Firefox and not the ESR version.

Installed a Firefox 24 pet package from Lucid Puppy repository.
Seems to have changed over with no problem.
This personal Firefox 24 auto updated to firefox 25.0.1
Firefox internal update works in it.

Due to the problem reported above,

Whenever i uninstall a builtin application, after each reboot (and after a SFS load), the removed app keeps appearing again! I had the same issue on Slacko 5.6.

even if i manually remove the folder and the shortcut, it keeps coming back

i replaced everything in usr/lib/firefox-17.0.11 with the files of Firefox 25.0.1 and everything works ok without double folders or desktop entries.

playdayz · #89 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 18:41

Update on methods to boot Slacko and other Puppies, with results that surprised me.

First, my problem booting usb3 was something to do with replacing the stock traditional hard drive with an ssd.

Boot times

Internal ssd - 28 seconds
Internal hard drive - 30 seconds
External usb3 hard drive - 30 seconds
usb 3 flash drive - 36 seconds
usb 2 flash drive - 46 seconds
cd - forever, a couple of minutes (Note)

The surprise is that the speed of the boot medium did not make as much difference as I thought it would. Almost all of the time difference is due to the time it takes to copy the slacko 5.6.3 sfs to ram.

Conclusions:

1. All of the boot times except cd are basically acceptable. That is good news I believe--as 01micko has indicated, usb boot is much safer than messing with windows 8 hard drives anymore (resizing, creating linux partition, etc.).

2. All usb3 flash drives are not equal, some are no faster than usb 2! A good usb3 flash drive should boot as fast as an internal hard drive! I bought a cheapie usb3 flash drive, Lexar, or my boot time would have been faster. I have since discovered Kingston HyperX usb3 flash drive is fast but expensive.

3. Current Puppy will never boot as fast as Windows or Ubuntu. Windows 7 - 15 seconds from ssd, Ubuntu 12.10 *8* seconds from ssd! Puppy uses script files to boot which is why the different boot mediums have similar times except for copying the sfs to ram. The boot time is mainly determined by the time it takes the boot scripts to execute. But, all in all, 30 seconds from a good usb3 seems like a good enough result to me, perfectly usable. Remember, the flash drive must be usb3 and the computer must be capable of usb3 boot--however, even the usb2 boot is usable, as everyone already knew--usb3 will save and exit faster too though.

Note: Yes, cd will boot faster after creating a save file and copying the sfs to the hard drive--but it still takes time for the bios to determine that the cd is bootable--so the total time is still a minute or so.

There is nothing revolutionary here, but I guess it is good to check every once in a while. Is boot speed important--well, I regard it as a usability factor, the same as Puppy's quickness of response once running.

bigpup · #90 Post by **bigpup** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 18:55

Current Puppy will never boot as fast as Windows or Ubuntu. Windows 7 - 15 seconds from ssd, Ubuntu 12.10 *8* seconds from ssd!

They do this by making reaching the desktop top priority.
A lot of stuff is still being booted behind the eye candy of the desktop.
With processors being able to do multiple operations at one time, they have boot functions, working in the background, you do not see. You see a nice desktop and think boot is over.

playdayz · #91 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 20:30

Current Puppy will never boot as fast as Windows or Ubuntu. Windows 7 - 15 seconds from ssd, Ubuntu 12.10 *8* seconds from ssd!

They do this by making reaching the desktop top priority.
A lot of stuff is still being booted behind the eye candy of the desktop.

Yes, definitely true Bigpup. I tried to more or less compensate by stopping the timer at a "usable" desktop, meaning the internet was connected, the menu button would immediately open the menu, and programs would start when clicked in their usual amount of time. No doubt there were still things going on behind the scenes. I trust it was clear that I regard the Puppy timings as basically good news, not as criticism compared to windows or ubuntu (but 8 seconds to a usable desktop was pretty breathtaking). Plus windows and ubuntu on a hard disk instead of an ssd would be slower.

bigpup · #92 Post by **bigpup** » Thu 05 Dec 2013, 23:45

Well , Puppy did make it into the list of:

The five fastest-booting Linux distributions
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-a ... ributions/

Deacon · #93 Post by **Deacon** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 00:42

Testing the upgraded system Midori no longer runs. It gives a

(midori 4:12233): **GLIB-GIO ERROR** settings-schema 'org.gnome.system.proxy' is not installed

error

Trace/Breakpoint Trap

Ideas?

RSH · #94 Post by **RSH** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 01:18

bigpup wrote:Well , Puppy did make it into the list of:

The five fastest-booting Linux distributions
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-a ... ributions/

By Jack Wallen in Five Apps, December 12, 2011, 12:08 AM PST

playdayz · #95 Post by **playdayz** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 01:24

01micko, The kernel boot parameter acpi_osi=Linux seems to fix my problem with the screen not coming back from standby. Yippee, I don't know if it would be good for general use or not--I read that it is supposed to solve various problems with screen, back-light, standby and hibernation.

Laptop acpi odds and ends: 1) won't go into standby with any usb mounted (expected behavior I assume); 2) need Frisbee to come back from standby not SNS (also expected I believe).

Well , Puppy did make it into the list of:

The five fastest-booting Linux distributions

Yes, I was trying to say the boot timing results were positive. But there is no such thing as too fast

gcmartin · #96 Post by **gcmartin** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 06:12

Slacko booted in several cases in less than a minute from Live media DVD.

Hope this is helpful to anyone who expects to run Slacko from Live disc(s)..

Also, its very important to note that once the system is booted to RAM, Slacko performance is IDENTICAL to frugal performance and should be better overall than even what one gets on a "installed -to-HDD" approach to systems operation.

Live media via CD/DVD is still an excellent offering and feature of Puppy Linux distros!

Ted Dog · #97 Post by **Ted Dog** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 19:09

bluray is about 4x faster. was the iso made with isolevel 4? could a dev post the mkiso command string ( saw that wolf was still old methods )

01micko · #98 Post by **01micko** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 19:59

Ted Dog wrote:bluray is about 4x faster. was the iso made with isolevel 4? could a dev post the mkiso command string ( saw that wolf was still old methods )

Ted Dog, can you make a patch and do a pull request? That is, sync your git fork with woof-CE testing, then fix up the command how you reckon it should be, then on the GitHub site click "pull request". THat prompts us to look at your changes, pull them into testing branch and make a woof build and test them! I don't know your experience with git so tell me to shove off if you know better.

bigpup · #99 Post by **bigpup** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 20:18

New version.

pBurn 4.3.3
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23881

From Barry's blog:
http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00012

In "noarch" and "common" directories, there are many PETs that are created by various developers, such as Sigmund's Pmusic and rcrsn51's peasyGlue, but I am not keeping the repo up-to-date with the latest PETs.

bigpup · #100 Post by **bigpup** » Fri 06 Dec 2013, 20:36

Grub4DosConfig V1.9
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51697

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