Posted: Tue 20 Nov 2012, 23:55
Zenwalk 7.2, which I installed today, is another good one IMO; just one app per function but they're all good and Youtube videos play"out of the box."
Just tried this, failed miserably, and then read up on it. The principles behind the design are great, but it's just not usable, as a modern desktop OS at all. It's a shame too, because just reading the design principles makes me want for it to have left Linux in the dust years ago. Things could have been SOOO much nicer, and it would have been a dream base for Puppy. You know when you read about something that made perfect sense, should have been great, but got no attention for whatever reason and fizzled out of mainstream? That's Plan9, sadly.nooby wrote:Has any of you tested this one from Bell Lab?
The creators of Unix?
This one is named Plan9 and link is here
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/
Eric S. Raymond wrote a good article about Plan 9 once. Here it is;sketchman wrote:Just tried this, failed miserably, and then read up on it. The principles behind the design are great, but it's just not usable, as a modern desktop OS at all. It's a shame too, because just reading the design principles makes me want for it to have left Linux in the dust years ago. Things could have been SOOO much nicer, and it would have been a dream base for Puppy. You know when you read about something that made perfect sense, should have been great, but got no attention for whatever reason and fizzled out of mainstream? That's Plan9, sadly.nooby wrote:Has any of you tested this one from Bell Lab?
The creators of Unix?
This one is named Plan9 and link is here
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/
Sorry if this was already addressed. I found the post with a Google search and there are too many pages of posts after it to bother reading them all now.
Is there a flavor of Linux that uses the Puppy style of "it's your computer, do what you will with it" root-for-all goodness that I love so much WITH complete support for a mainstream distro's repos?
Puppy gets closer to this all the time it seems(and it will be great when it happens), but still there is now too.
I read that too, thought about how infected the world is with Windows despite the plethora of Linux distros available, and had to smile and chuckle a bit.Colonel Panic wrote:Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough."
Great. How do you change the window manager in Absolute though? I tried and failed to get it to boot up in something other than IceWM (not that there's anything wrong with IceWM, but XFCE's got some additional features).sketchman wrote:I read that too, thought about how infected the world is with Windows despite the plethora of Linux distros available, and had to smile and chuckle a bit.Colonel Panic wrote:Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough."
It's funny how "just good enough" can hold the world back so easily.
I'm using Absolute 14.01 now and loving it. Logged in as root(with NO password ) for good, set up XFCE4, and will enjoy the luxury of a mainstream package repo for a good long while, ....hopefully .
As long as everything is installed properly from the Slackware repo, just set the option to use a text based login from the IceWM menu and reboot. Then login and type "startxfce4" instead of "startx". There is probably a more automated way to do it and have it boot straight into XFCE, but I'm not familiar with it.Colonel Panic wrote:How do you change the window manager in Absolute though? I tried and failed to get it to boot up in something other than IceWM (not that there's anything wrong with IceWM, but XFCE's got some additional features).
Thanks. I've got a DVD of Slackware 14 (rc5) so I could install the relevant packages from that instead of the online repos.sketchman wrote:As long as everything is installed properly from the Slackware repo, just set the option to use a text based login from the IceWM menu and reboot. Then login and type "startxfce4" instead of "startx". There is probably a more automated way to do it and have it boot straight into XFCE, but I'm not familiar with it.Colonel Panic wrote:How do you change the window manager in Absolute though? I tried and failed to get it to boot up in something other than IceWM (not that there's anything wrong with IceWM, but XFCE's got some additional features).
Got it. Working on mine, anyway. Just replace your "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" with the modified attached one. Modified "rc.local" looks for "startxfce4" and uses it if found, and if not uses the default "startx" script. Either way should get you from GRUB to desktop in one keystroke.Colonel Panic wrote:It would be good to be able to boot straight into XFCE though.
Such is very interesting. To get the OS to use less powerjakfish wrote:Been using Lubuntu 12.04 for over a month now, full install from live cd onto 6gb partition of 120GB SSD that also boots Windows 7, and can also boot Android 4.0 from sd card and Dpup Exprimo 5.15 from USB.
For the netvertible Lenovo S10-3t, Lubuntu 12.04 is the definitive Linux in terms of speed, cpu temperature control, and battery life. Fastest boot I've found and with a four-second shutdown.
Obviously, Lubuntu has the maddening root issues along with the other documented annoyances in this thread.
But this post:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerMan ... vingTweaks
and specifically, the Aggressive Link Power Management drops cpu temp 5-10 degrees C, and the battery life is the best I've found for the S10-3t, even better than Lenovo's own Win7 power management.
Of course, I use Puppy on my other laptops either b/c puppeee has good temp control or (with some machines) I don't need great battery life.
But ALPM is something definitely worth exploring if folks are interested in staying away from the a/c adapter.
Jake
Interesting point they make about dark colours consuming more power than light colours, on an LCD screen.jakfish wrote:this post:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerMan ... vingTweaks
and specifically, the Aggressive Link Power Management drops cpu temp 5-10 degrees C, and the battery life is the best I've found for the S10-3t, even better than Lenovo's own Win7 power management.
This makes sense. Consider the display on an LCD calculator. The digits become visible because they are darker than the background. An applied voltage causes the crystals to line up and form a polarizing filter that blocks the light.greengeek wrote:Interesting point they make about dark colours consuming more power than light colours, on an LCD screen.
I guess that means that every black pixel has fully lighted pixels hiding behind it? What if a particular pixel was "almost black? Are there "halfway states" of the polarised filtration? I wonder what colour would be the lowest overall power consumption for a desktop/background. And whats the difference between a traditional LCD screen and the newer LED LCD screens? - I'm guessing that the older LCD screens must keep the light (fluoro) on all the time and black out pixels as required, but I wonder if the LED ones have a single white LED at each pixel location - allowing dimming to be controlled on a "per pixel" level?rcrsn51 wrote:So it takes more power to create more dark regions on the display.
LED monitors are still LCD displays. But they use LED lights instead of cold cathode fluorescent tubes to create the backlighting. So they are more energy-efficient.greengeek wrote: I'm guessing that the older LCD screens must keep the light (fluoro) on all the time and black out pixels as required, but I wonder if the LED ones have a single white LED at each pixel location - allowing dimming to be controlled on a "per pixel" level?
Here is how I boot this Ubuntu variant
Redo Backup & Recovery 1.0.4 has been released.
Redo is an Ubuntu-based live CD featuring backup, restore,
and disaster recovery software, with an easy-to-use graphical program
for running bare-metal backup and recovery of hard disk partitions.
What's new in this release? "Base upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ...
Code: Select all
title redo frugal iso boot
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /redo/casper/initrd.lz
kernel /redo/casper/vmlinuz rw boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/redo.iso ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram noeject noprompt
initrd /redo/casper/initrd.lz