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Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 12:12
by ttuuxxx
01micko wrote:ttuuxxx wrote:HairyWill wrote:
The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?
Well Hairy yes and no, Usually when I click on any volume tray app it does a disappearing trick, poof its gone off the taskbar. But this one when I call it up on icewm it stays and works like a mute button, its either full or off, as soon as your say 2mm off the bottom of tray its on full. all the way to the top. But hey I can live with it. maybe I'll put it back on the taskbar on IceWm
thanks Hairy
ttuuxxx
kind of like a log pot instead of a linear pot?
Or like that Big power switch in Frankenstein movies.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 12:16
by 01micko
ttuuxxx wrote:01micko wrote:ttuuxxx wrote:HairyWill wrote:
The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?
Well Hairy yes and no, Usually when I click on any volume tray app it does a disappearing trick, poof its gone off the taskbar. But this one when I call it up on icewm it stays and works like a mute button, its either full or off, as soon as your say 2mm off the bottom of tray its on full. all the way to the top. But hey I can live with it. maybe I'll put it back on the taskbar on IceWm
thanks Hairy
ttuuxxx
kind of like a log pot instead of a linear pot?
Or like that Big power switch in Frankenstein movies.
Oooh, that bad!
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 13:24
by capoverde
Just testing 4.2 alpha now. Download was very fast from puppyisos.org.
Cool splash screen, fast boot as (now) usual. My two cents here: wait 10 seconds or hit <Enter> for boot, any other key to stop countdown and show the Help screen.
Superb eye-candy overall! Please accept my compliments, all ye who worked it out. I like having the simple flat icons on the menu and the 3D ones on the desktop. The phantom drive icons getting "solid" when mounted are marvelous (let's hope noone has set a patent on that).
OK for Galculator + GMeasures only in the Calculators section; the "Add widget" and "Add icon" tabs seem to work OK - and were quite a pleasant surprise. The apostrophe key doesn't open the terminal if hit outside a directory window, otherwise works normally.
Not yet sure about the SeaMonkey vs. FirePup choice: the latter doesn't crash by hitting the <Insert> key when writing forms and has better control over Flash tabs & other time-wasters, but SM seems simpler to use - or maybe just got used to it.
GPicView seems to fill the bill nicely for a picture viewer, at last.
Will go on testing. As for what I've seen up to now, Puppy 4.2 alpha seems to be very promising, respecting BK's tradition in full -- at every new release one wondered how it could be better than that. Kudos to everyone in the team! Really great job.
* BTW, out of sheer curiosity two days ago I tested Milax, which is the OpenSolaris-version of DamnSmallLinux -- oh well, with due respect, it's become DamnSlowSolaris... and fully shows Puppy's power!
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 14:11
by ttuuxxx
Ok one thing that Bugsss me is that Pmount has Preferences for Mut and even Mut is included with 4.2, but Mut doesn't work, Last time I check in 3 series Mut was tcl/tk and we don't have tcl/tx in any of the 4.0 series, its not even in the 4 series repo, if you want tcl/tk you have to go to series 2&3 for the libs. So what I did was remove Mut from the Preferences and added some frames and a title, so its more pleasing to look at, I couldn't find the Pmount package in the 4 series repo at puppylinux.ca so basically this will replace you current Pmount with a non Mut version. what it looks like and updated Pmount is below.If anyone knows where the Pmount pet package is, I would like to repackage it? Well if WhoDo likes the idea ofcourse? I just find it silly and maybe frustrating for new users to try something that has no chance of working out of the box.
ttuuxxx
Tiny Blank Window
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 15:10
by Kal
Has anyone run into the tiny blank window over the home icon on the desktop of icewm, when started with "icewm-session". When in this state it crashed on Exit to Prompt. It was somewhat intermittent and I stopped it by starting with "icewm" and then loaded the startup file for icewm with .xinitrc. I don't plan on using JWM at all, because icewm is my preferred choice and gxine works better with it.
Except for that, most things that I used seem to work well, out of the box on icewm.
Good Luck, Kal, just an end user
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 15:16
by pa_mcclamrock
ttuuxxx wrote:if you want tcl/tk you have to go to series 2&3 for the libs.
Which are out of date. You guys are more than welcome to include my up-to-date Tcl and Tk 8.5.5 PETs, derived from the Slackware 12.2 packages, in 4.2 Unleashed if you wish:
http://puppylinux.asia/members/pa_mccla ... -8.5.5.pet
http://puppylinux.asia/members/pa_mccla ... -8.5.5.pet
David McClamrock
Re: alpha 1
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 15:43
by pa_mcclamrock
growler wrote:The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG...
I agree--keep them in Unleashed, but don't foist them on all who get the standard Puppy.
David McClamrock
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 15:56
by HairyWill
ttuuxxx wrote:but Mut doesn't work
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# mut --help
multi-call binary options are: (sym link or cmd line option)
mut mutd mutdaemon mutforeground mutclient probepart probedisk probedisk2 probepci drivelist guess_fstype mounts mediaplug
Meta Options are:
--exit : stops the mut 2 daemon
--debug : all log messages written, no threads
--noserv : scan hardware directly
--version : output version/build numbers
--foreground : run server in the foreground terminal
mut Options are:
--timing -t : print out time to execute application
sda: 40GB disk sata 6 partitions
# mut probedisk
/dev/sda|Direct-Access|ATA HTC426040G9AT00 00P4
# mut probepart
/dev/sda1|ntfs|18876312|OS/2 HPFS or NTFS
/dev/sda2|ext3|8385930|Linux Ext2Fs
/dev/sda3|ext3|20964825|Linux Ext2Fs
/dev/sda4|none|29913030|Extended (contains other slice)
/dev/sda5|ext3|26619642|Linux Ext2Fs
/dev/sda6|swap|3293262|Linux Swap
#
works fine for me
Jesse rewrote mut so that it could be used from the commandline Barry has included it as an option so that if pmount drive/partition detection fails then the probedisk and probepart implementations provided by mut can be used instead.
Re: alpha 1
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 16:21
by HairyWill
growler wrote:The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG...
I think there should be some compromise between paring down to the minimum and giving some space to demonstrate examples of small well written packages that people may not otherwise encounter.
didiwiki-0.5-5.1-pup2.pet 20kB
pure_ftpd-1.0.22-2.pet 30kB
hiawatha-6.7.pet 94k
that is a whole lot of server for less than 150k.
Also kirks file sharing server depends on pure-ftpd.
Today I used PcurlFTP to connect to the puppylinux.org website
click on
Setup Sharing
Client OK
Manual OK
enter username, password and ip address of server
Bingo, this creates a rox appdir which will automatically mount the server filesystem when clicked on. Yes, I know this doesn't require putre_ftpd but it might not be in puppy without it.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 17:11
by 8-bit
When you click on the help icon, and click on the release notes for Puppy 4.2, you get "The file /usr/share/doc/release-4.2.htm cannot be found".
Must have been left out.
Also, I tried copying my frugal install pupsave file from 4.1.2 to the Puppy 4.2 frugal install directory and upon booting, it upgraded just fine with all my applications and additions intact.
This was after I had tried booting and pressing the space bar as Puppy 4.2 started to boot. When I did that, I was taken directly to the select keyboard screen, bypassing the select mouse one.
Needless to say, the mouse cursor did not respond and had to exit to the terminal to exit.
I picked DO NOT SAVE and rebooted. But it must have messed up something because even with loading my original pupsave the mouse still did not work.
Live and learn I guess.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 18:28
by panzerpuppy
Is Dougal's remaster script included in this alpha?
(unlike Barry's default script,this one allows for making a *TRUE* remastered CD,complete with all settings and user modifications)
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 19:51
by WhoDo
pa_mcclamrock wrote:ttuuxxx wrote:if you want tcl/tk you have to go to series 2&3 for the libs.
Which are out of date. You guys are more than welcome to include my up-to-date Tcl and Tk 8.5.5 PETs, derived from the Slackware 12.2 packages, in 4.2 Unleashed if you wish
Ok, that does it for me! I've got a shipload of tcl/tk games that I can't use in 4.2 as well, so that's a bonus! At 4Mb combined I'll find a way to shoehorn these libraries in somehow. Dropping hiawatha, PPLOG and a few other oddballs seems the obvious solution. We'll see.
@Hairywill - just saw your post and I agree; 150kb is worth keeping. I'll find somewhere else to pare things down.
Those who have been asking about a development environment for Deepthought, try tcl/tk and gnocl.
Cheers
Frugal boot issue solved
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 20:19
by veronicathecow
For some bizarre reason when I extracted the puppy iso using ISOMaster in PClinuxOS it extracted them all with names in CAPITALS.
Returned to lower case and it boots fine. Strange!
Gxine Full screen mode not working
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 20:22
by veronicathecow
Trying to play any video file and pressing "F" or using menus system results in a flash of the screen and then the window is back to the same size.
Otherwise very impressed so far.
FLAC Yes
DVD Yes
Avi Yes
BBCi video player Yes
That covers ninty percent of my needs...
Thanks to all.
Tony
Boot Manager Blacklist problems.
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 20:43
by veronicathecow
After blacklisting
parport_pc
lp
parport
snd_seq_midi_event
I rebooted and checked the blacklist again.
All these Items were shown in the black list but they are also shown in the left side currently loaded panel.
I have a feeling I have never seen this working from when it was introduced.
Cheers
Tony
Mouse cursor size
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 20:44
by veronicathecow
Having bad eyesight a larger brighter mouse would be very helpful. I cannot find any easy way of doing this?
Cheers
Tony
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 21:14
by smokey01
My first impression of Puppy 4.2 is very nice.
Unfortunately I had to run it on my Eee PC 4G as it will not run on my desktop PC. I have no idea why but it must be something to do with the normal kernel as the retro 4.1.2 runs fine.
It seems to run fine until you get to the point where you have to select the mouse and the keyboard does not work. Prior to this the keyboard does work.
I would like to run the normal version of Puppy, in particular 4.2.
Does any one have any ideas what the problem might be?
Smokey
Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2009, 22:56
by 01micko
WhoDo!
Where are the JQ8 icons???? Only 27kb.
Ttuuxxx has persuaded jebaJQ8 to fix the weather font, ttuuxxx found that 'fontforge' editor, I extracted all the icons from the shareware font that we use, converted to SVG, packed 'em up and posted on Pwidgets thread. He said he is going to try to make his own design. I'm sure it will be a cracker! (Won't sigmund be surprised when he gets back.
).
I have said before that I am 'graphically challenged'!
.So the task is in the correct hands! And there will be a minimum of recoding. And it will be even smaller!!!!
Mick
Posted: Tue 20 Jan 2009, 02:49
by Pizzasgood
Okay, here. These are both the actual init script and a diff between it and the "original" from 420 alpha 1. What I did was have it detect whether the version in the pup_save.2fs file is old, and if so it says this:
This pup_save file is from Puppy $OLDPVERSION, but you are attempting to boot Puppy $NEWPVERSION.
Puppy can update the pup_save file to $NEWPVERSION, or it can unmount the pup_save file
and boot similarly to when you use pfix=ram, leaving the file unmodified.
Update Puppy from $OLDPVERSION to $NEWPVERSION? Yes/No:
If you type in 'y', 'Y', or 'yes' with any case you want, it will update normally. If you put in anything else, it will unmount the pup_save.2fs file, change the PUPMODE to 5, change several other variables, and then continue booting. The result isn't quite the same as using pfix=ram, in that you may have more partitions mounted in the end, but the pup_save.2fs file won't be modified.
(Technically it will be slightly changed, enough that the md5sum will change, but no actual data changes. That's a consequence of mounting a filesystem image I guess. You can verify that by making a checksum of a filesystem image, mounting it, immediately unmounting it, and grabbing another checksum. Probably due to stuff like access times within the filesystem image.)
Posted: Tue 20 Jan 2009, 02:59
by Pizzasgood
I also agree that the console should white-on-black as the default colorscheme. It would make it more obvious to new people that that is a commandline and not a text editor. Besides that, it just looks better. Black-on-white terminals are an abomination, IMHO.
You just add these lines to /root/.Xdefaults:
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Rxvt*background: black
Rxvt*foreground: white
While you're in there, if you could change the line 'Rxvt*saveLines: 1000' to use something more like 32000, that would be another nice usability enhancement.
Also, I didn't see that xorgwizard patch in it.
Not sure if you already did this, but if you change the timeout on the bootsplash, you should also use Geany to edit the 0rootfs_skeleton-420/usr/lib/syslinux/files/boot.msg file and update the part where it says it will boot normally in 5 seconds to say 8.
One last thing: I'm not sure why, but your iso had a syslinux.cfg file inside it. As in, right there in the .iso file, not inside the pup_xxx.sfs file. During the createpuppy script, it should have copied that file into it, but then it should have renamed it to isolinux.cfg. So I'm not sure what happened. Maybe your createpuppy script isn't quite right? The relevant parts look like this:
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#v2.15 now create the isolinux.cfg file... v2.16rc modified...
echo "Creating isolinux-builds/isolinux.cfg..."
cp rootfs-complete/usr/lib/syslinux/files/* isolinux-builds/
mv isolinux-builds/syslinux.cfg isolinux-builds/isolinux.cfg
if [ "$INITTYPE" = "initrd" ];then
INITRDSIZEK="`cat /tmp/initrdsize.txt`"
if [ "$HUMONGOUS" = "" ];then
#normal situation....
echo "append root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=cd" >> isolinux-builds/isolinux.cfg
else
echo "append root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=cd ramdisk_size=$INITRDSIZEK" >> isolinux-builds/isolinux.cfg
fi
else
#cpio archive, initramfs.
echo "append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=cd" >> isolinux-builds/isolinux.cfg
fi
sync
That file doesn't hurt anything, but it could be a symptom of a more serious bug.