(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

raffy wrote:What a pity.

In 24 hours, there will be a help (and developer, if need be) forum at
help.puppy2.org

Those who want to help perfect and propagate the Puppy2 series are welcome to join.

Qualifications for joining: H H H
- be ready to help in short, clear, step-by-step fashion
- hack if you must (with K.I.S. in mind)
- be ever humble (that is, always speak highly of others or keep your silence)

Wow Raffy, your really into 2 series is this going to support 2.14.1X? also, remember it does use glibc2.5. Most apps should work, I've been trying Barry's latest 2.18 apps that he's uploaded to ibiblio in the 2 section just sort the list by the date and you'll have all the current ones
ttuuxxx

Hi ttuuxxx,

You already have access to the repo (see my PM). It is shared hosting, so there must be a way to minimize bandwidth usage, like separating zdrv_214R.sfs and pup_214R.sfs and updating only the 214R.sfs. Or use an ISO and then issue updates with xdelta.

Am getting tired of the "buggy" atmosphere here , so perhaps I need a break. For a while maybe or for good - who knows?

As you said, with updated glibc, many things are possible with Puppy2. This can be helped by a Puppy2 help site.

Thank you very much for moving 2.14R forward. You are certainly welcome to use the new site.

Hi raffy, I posted a topic, but there isn't any file uploads? If we had a limmit like 5MB per file that would help. Also images, urls , etc look like they are missing, SMforum is a great forum, you also don't get any spam with it, you might want to look into it, I think its the best forum system going, way more secure/less spam than phpbb
http://www.simplemachines.org/
ttuuxxx

ps plus they have lots of nice themes :):):)
http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes ... rch;type=3

OK, the only extensions I can find are the BBcode buttons and Quick quote (select text to be quoted). No upload service yet, but that is good news as far as hosting is concerned.

I wonder if this is quite useful for collaborative uploads: http://drop.io/

After some time, the file can be put in the repo and the URL changed by an editor.

I still have to study SMforum. I've been convinced by PunBB because of its simplicity. The eeeuser.com site has been using PunBB since 2007.

raffy wrote:OK, the only extensions I can find are the BBcode buttons and Quick quote (select text to be quoted). No upload service yet, but that is good news as far as hosting is concerned.

I wonder if this is quite useful for collaborative uploads: http://drop.io/

After some time, the file can be put in the repo and the URL changed by an editor.

I still have to study SMforum. I've been convinced by PunBB because of its simplicity. The eeeuser.com site has been using PunBB since 2007.

I would remove that drop.io link from above, it froze FireFox real badly, the first known real error, I had to kill FF and then it killed JWM and I had to startx jwm to get back in.
ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx wrote: I would remove that drop.io link from above, it froze FireFox real badly, the first known real error, I had to kill FF and then it killed JWM and I had to startx jwm to get back in.
ttuuxxx

Works fine on DeltaPup.

Try something big like a iso, I dropped in a 98MB puppy .iso, pick one and try it.
ttuuxxx

There must be a lot of Ajax scripting in that site. Funny, am using Opera in Tipsypup and there was no problem.

In fact, I've created http://drop.io/puppy2repo

I have used drop.io in Firefox 1.5.x more than one year ago and got no problem.

could also be that I was playing with Firefox today trying to get Mu's lite browser working on FF without Seamonkey, adding extra libs to firefox from Seamonkey and Thunderbird etc, swapping thing around, probably broke the build.

ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx wrote:Try something big like a iso, I dropped in a 98MB puppy .iso, pick one and try it.
ttuuxxx

Yep, locked up Firefox, but I was able to kill it and then restart Firefox. In fact, I'm using it now. So one minus point and one plus point --- I'm back at zero.

techtype wrote:

ttuuxxx wrote:Try something big like a iso, I dropped in a 98MB puppy .iso, pick one and try it.
ttuuxxx

Yep, locked up Firefox, but I was able to kill it and then restart Firefox. In fact, I'm using it now. So one minus point and one plus point --- I'm back at zero.

Ya the great thing about the new firefox is that it remembers all your pages , even if jwm crashes.
excellent
ttuuxxx

I know well, why I refused to take over the role of a project coordinator.

I was moderating a famous german Linux forum for 10 years.
When the provider decided to shut down the forum system because of the increasing surveiance by the german government (with lots of visits from the police because of other forums), I decided, not to switch to another provider.
Instead, I decided to let "die" 10 years of free support in germany.
But the political background is just one reason.

The other one is, that over the years, I became somewhat "desillusionated" about people in the web.

My own "rule" is to try to find quiick solutions, and to avoid endless discussions. If I cannot convince someone quickly about my ideas, then I leave him, and concentrate again on my work.

Many other people see this different.
It would be too simple, to accuse Rob, as this is a widespread mentality, to insist on own oppinions.

I was aware, that this problem would occur in some form, as I remembered well the disputes we had a wile ago concening the Puppylinux foundation.

So I was aware, that a coordinator will have to spend a lot of time in replying to messages, that do not really interest him.
Hey - I just was away one week - and it is impossible to read all messages since then (1000?).
This can create a very high amount of "stress" (? german), as I know from the discussions in my german board. Responsible people quickly get burned out, and (must) flee from the situation, to keep their integrity intact.

I have no solution for this problem.
Maybe it would help, to "spread the load". Use 3 coordinators instead of one.
No idea. Just some thoughts.

Warren - thanks for all of your work. I would be glad, if you stay.

Banning - not so good, people often get even more upset, you can generate "stalkers" like this. And they could register under different names.

Mark

Wow Mark, I did not know you had this much experience thank you for sharing it. In creating something as complicated as puppy, there are many things that must be "co-ordinated". A model you suggest with several moderators would lighten the load on each one, and produce a better quality Puppy if every co-ordinators role/area was well defined.

I would not know how such a division of labour would be made.

I sorta disappeared for a while, busy with other stuff (work, helping my family move, etc.) and come back to find this.

I don't know who did what, and don't really give a crap. It happened, get over it, move on. I'm sorry I wasn't here to respond quickly enough to prevent whatever discouraged WhoDo. He's more of an adult than a lot of people here; he'll survive.

As for moderation, BAH. I never signed on to moderate people. Just to kill spam during a time when we were being hit very hard. And I have been killing very little spam lately. I'm going to be unmoderator-ing myself shortly. No, it's not because of the arguing that I'm quitting, that merely hastened the decision a little. This is something that would have needed to happen within a year or so anyway, because I've been growing tired of Puppy and intend to eventually go forge my own path. Nothing wrong with Puppy, it just isn't targeted at me (not that anything else is, in fact Puppy probably comes closer than any existing distro or OS). Besides, I'm a flipping anarchist. What the shell am I doing moderating?

Time to get back on track. I'm going to go let John Murga know that I'm resigning.


And no, I'm not actually leaving yet, just de-moderatoring myself. I still have promises to fulfill, and I intend to use Pizzapup for a good while before I begin Project CheesyRamHog (my own distro). But from here out, I will no longer care so much about keeping up with everything (really I started that part a month or so ago).

Don't get me wrong, I do love Puppy and have enjoyed my time here.

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CheesyRamHog <---- WTH lol thats too funny for a distro name, Hey pizzasgood, why the need for your own distro? When woof is coming around nicely these days. listen it wouldn't be right to lose WhoDo and Pizzasgood in the same year, lol
Take care, and good luck, If you ever want my help with your next distro, send me a line.
ttuuxxx

Pizzasgood wrote:...and intend to eventually go forge my own path.

Consider a base install of Arch and build from there. Huge repository. Excellent package and dependency management. Eccentric community. Outstanding documentation. Very active forum. Lots of young blood.

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You forgot the opening tag ...

I think he said he was going it alone, If anyone has a chance of doing what Barry and another top Linux gurus have I done, I personally believe he'll do it, No need to follow other peoples starts, He's more than ready, If anything Arch would take him off the path he wants to end-up.

I think he would have lots of support from the forum if he just ask when needed.
He's been there for us, I don't see why not be there for him, if need be.

ttuuxxx

Besides, I'm a flipping anarchist

Good luck with your new distro.
Do you have any initial plans/ideas?

Be interested how you boot strap (Puppy was boot strapped from Red Hat)
That means programs were compiled in Red Hat for inclusion in Puppy.
then Mandriva (before the name change) and then Vector and T2
I believe that is right.

Good to hear you will still be about
Live long and prosper

PizzasGood NOOO!!!!

WhoDo's resignation his I think was about this thread about Puppy Woof's colourscheme, plus I think he has a lot on "IRL".

Anarchism a doctrine advocating the abolition of government and its replacement by a social system based on voluntary cooperation

Source

Since Microsoft was George Bush's major contributors, voluntary working on a piece of software (Puppy Linux) whos aim is to help (be "friendly to") "new Linux Users" is not something the powers-that-be are going to praise you for. Do you not think these two stories are perhaps linked?

http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm#microsoft
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... lZaQM5xGZg

When we signed up on this forum, we all agreed, voluntarily, to abide by the forum rules.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented material

And its code of conduct...

No name-calling. Moderators will decide what is and is not name-calling. If you're personally insulting someone, that's name-calling.
No starting trouble with other members - Don't post just to start trouble with another member. All posts are to be "real" topics.
No gratuitous sarcasm / innuendos - If you don't have an intelligent reply to a topic, don't respond. If someone doesn't agree with you, don't get sarcastic, don't call names. Give a logical response.

Source

(and before you ask, no Im not saying I have always Ive been squeeky clean, just a lot cleaner than some)

Contributing to this project by moderating this forum is about as "anarchist" as it gets in supporting others "free will" and their "free information", and also a big contribution to dismantling the structures that would otherwise control freedom of speech/expression/information. Just by setting up the bug-tracking section in response to feedback you have greatly improved the quality of the future Puppy Linux, and made it an even better tool for freeing people from controlling, proprietary, and government funding alternative OS's.

some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them

Shakespeare - Twelfth Night

Of course you have your own freedom and free will PG...and are you sure that the path you are planning to take puts you in a position where you can elicit the philosophy you advocate?

I for one would very much like to see you stay, this forum needs a moderator with your philosophy, and others like you with more time on their hands.

I'm still LOL over the anarchist part. If true anarchy actually occurred, most self-proclaimed "anarchists" would be found hiding in dark corners, in the fetal position, and sucking their thumbs while waiting for some order to come about.