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YaPI (yet another Puppy Installer) install any Puppy iso
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B.K. Johnson

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2015, 13:42    Post subject:  

There is no escape route from this GUI or its sister. I cant even 'kill'either. Rolling Eyes It's not the important issue of the thread, but nevertheless ...
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2015, 23:04    Post subject: Re: Puppy Universal Installer for any puppy
Subject description: step 2: avoid double entry of location
 

L18L wrote:
I am going to code step 2 now.
... done.
Note, included is a fix for Terabytes sized discs ,,,

Feedback of testers welcomed.

Choose "or another .iso"
Select your iso.
Continue and you will no more be asked "where are the Puppy files?"
if you have already chosen to install "another .iso".

Hope it works for you, too.


Thanks!!!

I see you reactivated the sanity check.
It also seems to work now.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2015, 23:14    Post subject:  

B.K. Johnson wrote:
There is no escape route from this GUI or its sister. I cant even 'kill'either. Rolling Eyes It's not the important issue of the thread, but nevertheless ...

Thanks!

I noticed that too.

L18L he is talking about this GUI.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Dec 2015, 23:31    Post subject: Re: ?  

mavrothal wrote:
L18L wrote:

We are at "from another .iso". (yes must be puppy.iso Wink )

Yes, but it does not work (for me).
Names the folder wrong with the version from the running system and only copies initrd and vmlinuz, so you may want to reconsider. Wink


Step 2 version of installer
"from another .iso".
Well, I got it to do a complete frugal install on a hard drive partition. Installed to a folder.

Did a USB flash install with no problems.
It does do a live Puppy USB type install.

Confirmed, it did name the directory/folder the same name as the running puppy version and not the iso version.
All the files where in the folder from the iso I had chosen.
So. it was a good install, just the folder name was wrong.

I could have chosen a different name and not used the default name provided.
That name would be correct.

You are getting there!!!

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 00:01    Post subject:  

L18L,

I posted your step 2 version in the first post.

About the wrong default folder name problem. (#1 image)

I noticed this when doing the install of tahr-6.0.4.1.iso.

I got a second window at the end of the install that looked like this. (#2 image)
This was after the frugal install completed.
Clicking on OK just went to a install completed window.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 00:30    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

While at it, you may want to add some safety checks, ie that the iso has a puppy, That the processor is capable if it is a 64bit puppy, That is not already installed elsewhere and will use old savefiles/folders.


Has the Universal Installer ever done these checks?

That it is a Puppy iso (Not a bad idea to check)

That the processor is capable if it is a 64bit puppy.
(Why check? Hopefully the person would know not to use a 64bit on a 32bit computer)
Even if he did install it. The first time it booted, it would stop with message. This is not a 64bit computer and stop the boot process.

That is not already installed elsewhere and will use old savefiles/folders.
Should not do this for a frugal install from an iso or for the running Puppy frugal install. It just does a basic frugal install with no save file or folder.
You have to manually make a save or copy an old one to installed location.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 01:16    Post subject:  

L18L,

Step 2 version of installer

Did a full install to hard drive partition, from an iso.

Seems to be working OK.

You do know that selecting install from this actual running Puppy is not working?
It still goes to the select an iso to use.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 01:30    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Has the Universal Installer ever done these checks?

Does not need to because booting from the CD to be installed does all these Wink
It makes sure it runs on your hardware and will find any savefiles if already there. And if is not a puppy will have its own installer or nothing, but in either case you do not care Very Happy .

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 02:18    Post subject:  

Quote:
Does not need to because booting from the CD to be installed does all these

So, you used some type of installer program to get Puppy on the CD.
Did that program tell you it would work on the computer you tried to run with it?
Well, the Puppy Universal Installer, will do this, if installing from the running Puppy option is selected.

So, why should installing from any Puppy iso file be any different from burning an iso image to a CD?
Just like the CD install. You find out if it works when you try to use it.

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but in either case you do not care

I care about having a discussion about what needs to happen and if it is really needed.

I care about making it a true Universal Installer for Puppies.

I care about using a Puppy program to install using a Puppy iso.

I want to install any Puppy iso.
Why should I need to use Unetbootin to install to a USB?
Unetbootin will not even let you use a Linux format.
The Puppy Universal Installer will.

Why was the iso option ever offered in the original Universal Installer Question Rolling Eyes

If we agreed 100% of the time. Than one of us is not needed Very Happy Laughing

As the unmodified original Universal Installer now works!!
Booting from a live Puppy CD. The universal installer will not install any save files as part of the install.
It will do a basic frugal or full install.

When you boot the install. It will boot like a fresh clean new install.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 03:04    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
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but in either case you do not care

I care about having a discussion about what needs to happen and if it is really needed.

I believe you are changing the subject. You asked if these checks where ever done and I tried to explain why not and why you may not care about them if booting from CD and then installing.

Now about the discussion, if a new universal installer with all the bells and whistles happens all the better.
There are some concerns though beyond the technical part.
Would you give access to your computer to an OS that you have very little idea (none really) how it performs and what it does? And I'm sure we are all good people around here but we also make mistakes...
Currently puppy has an option not to touch your hard disks if booting from CD and some consider making this a default. Booting from USB does not touch your HD(s) by default. And yet PUI will install anything everywhere. I believe it can be a risky offering.
I also believe that a puppy installer that will install an untested iso to a machine will mostly cater to avid puppy testers. Persons that are checking everything/most things coming through for the fun of it. I'm not sure if these people have a heavy need for it as "manual frugal" is fairly simple even for a novice but I could very well be wrong.
It could also be used by people that have no idea what they are doing, they just installed their first official puppy, are all excited ( Razz ) and are looking for more. There is where the problems may arise (and everywhere else in between)

But that's me. Let's follow the "if you build it they will come" wisdom for now Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 04:04    Post subject:  

OH, Good.
We do not agree 100% of the time.

You bring up some good concerns, however!
Quote:
Would you give access to your computer to an OS that you have very little idea (none really) how it performs and what it does?

Every time I boot with a new Puppy version burned to a CD.
Quote:
Currently puppy has an option not to touch your hard disks if booting from CD and some consider making this a default

Up until the time you open the Rox file manager.
Never had a save file mess up a hard drive, but a hard drive has messed up a save file. (Windows fragmentation) Twisted Evil
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t could also be used by people that have no idea what they are doing, they just installed their first official puppy, are all excited ( Razz ) and are looking for more. There is where the problems may arise (and everywhere else in between)

Why we have the Beginners section of this forum and why it is so active.
Job security Laughing

The Universal Installer has lots of info pages in the process.
I know, people do not read directions. Shocked

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 04:18    Post subject:  

I'm sure that we have many ways to mess up a system. Laughing Particularly running as root.
The point is if we make this any easier with such a PUI and if we do, what is the actual benefit of the said functionality.

But as I said, "if you build it they will come" Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 12:19    Post subject: Puppy Universal Installer (For all Puppy Versions)  

B.K. Johnson wrote:
There is no escape route from this GUI or its sister. I cant even 'kill'either. Rolling Eyes It's not the important issue of the thread, but nevertheless ...
Thank you. Fixed.

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Interesting discussion
I prefer to just listenening....
except 1 issue: if there is a flash installer,
why do we need a univeral installer ?
Or can the flash installer be launched from the universal?

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Attached version from 2015-12-07
please test / check
especially "does install from actual puppy work?"
install from other iso coded to stop after selection now.

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What I dislike:
puppyinstaller always wants to install a boot loader on the partition I have selected.
I do not want this, but there is no escape.

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EDIT please no comments about +mnt+home+.... Laughing
EDIT2 Enough for today, expect responses tomorrow (we are slow and lazy...)
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 14:30    Post subject:  

Crying or Very sad Confused (see pic)

Also:
It would appear that if /tmp/PUI/ISOs is there will not rescan. So ISOs downloaded or deleted after the first run will not be detected.
Scanning a big partition can take some time, you may want to add some indication that is searching.

Regarding flash installer is specifically using f2fs I think. Not all puppies/kernels support this file system. Particularly anything older than a year. So it can be risky if you install a puppy in a file system that it does not support. Shocked
But it could be merged if support could be verified (maybe search the DOTconfig of the puppy to be installed)
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 16:34    Post subject:  

Wouldn't it be simpler to leave pui to installing a running pup and have an independent, separate script to install iso to <option1 option2 option3> etc. It could easily be a right click menu item when selecting an iso file?
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