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ITSMERSH


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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 17:39    Post subject: Xenial, Artful, Bionic
Subject description: usb-modeswitch
 

@WoofCE-Team

In Puppies from Lucid up to Tahr I could easily connect to the web with my GPRS USB Modem - thanks to the installed usb-modeswitch.

In later Puppies (Xenial, Artful, Bionic) this doesn't work anymore, though, there is usb-modeswitch installed!

In all of these Puppies I had to download usb-modeswitch manually from the Ubuntu repository and to install the downloaded packages to be able to connect to the web web with my GPRS USB Modem.

All the work done on pgprs-connect re-created by rerwin, all the time I spent on testing rerwin's packages and returning the results to him until it worked, is lost, was useless and continues to be useless, unless the WoofCE team would consider to have a working usb-modeswitch package installed by default in all of those new Puppies.

Or did they/you already decide GPRS Modems being too old to be supported in Puppy by default?

Many of my fellow musicians are using GPRS Modems since there's no way to connect to the web from within their rehearsal rooms - except: GPRS Modem.

So, what are you consider to do, on this issue?

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 11:51    Post subject:  

Another git-hub Ubuntu problem. I'm beginning to see a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I would ask the soof-CE deveopers to carefully inspect the deltas. It appears theres some coding being removed at the whim of a very small number of opinions.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 12:16    Post subject:  

8Geee wrote:
Another git-hub Ubuntu problem. I'm beginning to see a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I would ask the soof-CE deveopers to carefully inspect the deltas. It appears theres some coding being removed at the whim of a very small number of opinions.

JMHO
8Geee

What exactly has been removed that you don't want it to be removed?

The wolf actually has led the development for some time now, the only one contributing significant changes to fix stuff, simplifying logic, using standard tools instead of old puppy-specific tools, but also removing some working stuff, some broken stuff, making room for some other filemanagers, etc...

PS: this has nothing to do with usbmodeswitch
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 12:46    Post subject: Re: Xenial, Artful, Bionic
Subject description: usb-modeswitch
 

ITSMERSH wrote:
@WoofCE-Team

In Puppies from Lucid up to Tahr I could easily connect to the web with my GPRS USB Modem - thanks to the installed usb-modeswitch.

In later Puppies (Xenial, Artful, Bionic) this doesn't work anymore, though, there is usb-modeswitch installed!
,,,,


I haven't tested upupbb but judging by your report, i see the usbmodeswitch pet pkg is not compatible.

Apparently libpipeline provides some functionality that the pet pkg does not provide... that's the only thing i can think of..

You also said that both packages have different "executables"

http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/u/usb-modeswitch/usb-modeswitch_2.5.2+repack0-2ubuntu1_i386.deb

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-common32/usb-modeswitch-2.5.2-i686_common32.pet

And indeed
usb_modeswitch_dispatcher

it's a shell script in the pet pkg
it's a compiled binary in the DEB pkg

what does this mean?... they're different indeed.

This needs fixing indeed..
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 13:15    Post subject:  

8Geee wrote:
Another git-hub Ubuntu problem. I'm beginning to see a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I would ask the soof-CE deveopers to carefully inspect the deltas. It appears theres some coding being removed at the whim of a very small number of opinions.

JMHO
8Geee


I agree.

The 'Refresh/Realign icons' checkbox has simply been left out of the code-script for the new build-system's EventManager. Anybody with several partitions selected to show on the desktop is currently facing an untidy mess every time ROX re-draws the drive-icons after a restart of X (which just show up in any old order).....because there's no way to correct the issue anymore.

Why 'fix' an issue which wasn't broken, and had been working perfectly for a long time? Rolling Eyes

Doesn't make sense to me.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 16:07    Post subject: Re: Xenial, Artful, Bionic
Subject description: usb-modeswitch
 

ITSMERSH wrote:

In Puppies from Lucid up to Tahr>........


Ok it's clear upup bionic and xenialpup should use the deb packages.

But here's a pet pkg compiled a bit differently, it's supposed to update older wce pups, however you might want to test it in a pristine install of upup bb, forcing this pet pkg into the system...
usb-modeswitch-2.5.2-i686_slack14.0.pet
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 18:01    Post subject:  

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Apparently libpipeline provides some functionality that the pet pkg does not provide... that's the only thing i can think of.

After pebee replied that libpipeline is in the devx, I made again a test. Rebooted fresh into ram and installed only libpipeline. Doesn't work either. I had to install usb-modeswitch from the repository AND libpipeline before the GPRS USB Modem didn't appear anymore as drive sr1 and before I was able to connect to the web.

Just as a side note...

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 18:09    Post subject:  

ITSMERSH wrote:

After pebee replied that libpipeline is in the devx, I made again a test.

The real issue seems to be a tcl script in the pet package.

To compile the binary you must pass a special param to 'make'.

That was probably the issue in xenial and now in upup bb.

I provided a 'fixed' pet pkg for you to test, but it's up to you to make your body install it and test it.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 19:15    Post subject:  

Yes, I could test it, but I have already made a remaster with everything installed. So, someone else may come up and do some tests. I'd spent a lot of time testing rerwins package, just to find my GPRS USB Modem not recognized anymore in the next Puppy...

What I don't understand is, why do we need a special .pet package, when there's already a working out of the box package available in the repository?

Why replacing working binaries partially with faulty scripts?

Why to compile a package for a Ubuntu Puppy, that is already compiled for the Ubuntu version the Puppy is going to be based on?

This is really confusing and it results in "crap" as we can see now...

Not meant to be offended, it is just extremely annoying to encounter the more or less the same mistakes / problems / issues repeatedly. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 19:33    Post subject:  

I know. It has always been that way in puppy.

It has always used libs and stuff that were really incompatible. A change started happening in 2016, very slowly.

But that's not the purpose of this possible test. It's to test if the compiled package can be considered 'generic'. Then it can be used in the future to update old pups, giving them life support..

And there's no one else to test it. It doesn't really matter anyway. I already made the necessary changes for the next upup releases.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 21:20    Post subject:  

Ok, I downloaded, will give it a go and report.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 21:40    Post subject:  

Ok.

So, I quit connection,unplugged the GPRS USB Modem, installed the downloaded package (I did not remove the installed libpipeline!), plugged in the GPRS USB Modem again.

A few seconds waiting to make sure no sr1 icon appears on the desktop.

Started the PGPRS Modem Settings program and found my GPRS USB Modem in the list to choose from. Chosen and successfully connected to the web, doing this post.

Though, KEEP IN MIND: don't put libpipeline in the devx! Wink
And put rerwin's pgprs package into the puppy.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2018, 01:10    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2018, 14:40    Post subject:  

hey Sailor Enceladus...... why not speak in clear text and explain what is wrong with those 2 OS's. This cryptic talk makes me feel like if I am not one of the cool guys.......I can't read your mind (yet) and I am not going to spend more time tracking down what you mean so how about just spilling the beans and sharing your knowledge.

I just built 5 Puppies from woof-CE except for slacko which I never use..I hate the name...... but I am not sure what you've "seen" so fill me in because the one I am typing this with seems to work at the moment. Xenial64.

My tahr32 and tahr64 are running as web servers 24/7 and all the Bionic builds I am making are using extremes and if they blow up no big deal.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2018, 15:19    Post subject:  

Hi rockedge,

This Slacko64 one (built with master) seems to be working alright for me now:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/y13kxdldb9i9d/x86_64

I thought maybe I was the only one who tried building Tahrpup and Xenialpup in woof-CE in the last few months. Congrats on your positive experiences. Smile
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