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bigpup


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PostPosted: Thu 26 Sep 2019, 18:23    Post subject:  

I have wondered about something with using Woof-CE to build a Puppy version.

I always see a new Puppy version released that seems to have some programs that do not work, bugs in basic core programs and processes, missing needed stuff, etc.............

So, Woof-CE will never build a completely working Puppy version?

Or is it the builder of the Puppy version is just leaving stuff out of the build?
Oh, he/she/they forgot to put that in it?

I wonder if a lot of these fixes actually get into Woof-CE repositories?
Sure seem to be fixing the same problems, over and over again, in each new Puppy version release.

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musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Sep 2019, 21:30    Post subject:  

HI bigpup.

If you noticed anything important missing in Sailor Enceladus' Slacko Pup,
tell Sailor Enceladus?!

I'm downloading it now to forge an opinion myself.

But off-hand, if it's just some icons missing, I'd say it's because:
    they take a lot of space in an ISO;
    users have their own desktop icon preferences;
    and a number of desktop icon sets are readily available on this board.
    (Will be back with URL later).

As to the on-screen keyboard missing, I'd say it's a luxury.
Is it really needed by a regular user?

BFN.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Sep 2019, 22:31    Post subject:  

Hi.

I just installed SE's Slacko-5.8.10 frugally. I took a ride with it, clicking
on all desktop icons.

Everything works. Abiword, geany, setup, e-mailer, etc.
Except no browser, the user has to get one.

The user has a choice of desktop icons (please see att'd pic).
As you can see, the desktop is normally populated.

If the user follows instructions correctly, a pupsave is created
as it should upon 1st shutdown.

Maybe Sailor should mention some download sites for a browser,
because a real newbie won't know off-hand where to find one.
Or maybe provide a light browser like dillo or links with those URLs
already in a download list, to male things easier for said newbie.

But aside from that, I can't find anything missing or wrong with Sailor's
(re)build of this slacko.

I'd say that this pup is Ideal for an older tower or desktop computer.

Good work, SE! Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Sep 2019, 09:41    Post subject:  

Slacko-5.8.10 test:
Looks good. Runs well.

issues i found:
gnomeplayershell missing
openssl version old - 2016
no temperature indicators work (missing perl files)
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PostPosted: Tue 01 Oct 2019, 12:37    Post subject:  

More gui improvements on puppy core apps are coming to woof-ce
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PostPosted: Tue 01 Oct 2019, 18:34    Post subject:  

mistfire wrote:
More gui improvements on puppy core apps are coming to woof-ce
Shucks. It's stuff with CLI that needs to be developed. Wink
When will the world understand that GUIs encourage laziness in users? Wink
Sad, very sad. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Oct 2019, 21:25    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
When will the world understand that GUIs encourage laziness in users? Wink Sad, very sad. Wink


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PostPosted: Tue 01 Oct 2019, 22:37    Post subject:  

Very Happy
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Oct 2019, 15:02    Post subject:  

Thanks everyone. I tried another build with the latest woof-CE testing branch today, this time selecting Slacko64 14.2
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/04k8b8812ccoh/x86_64

For reference, some of the missing icons I noticed so far in this one include:
- Menu->Utility LXTerminal (it works if you change the desktop entry, Icon=lxterminal, to the full path though for some reason)
- Menu->Multimedia GNOME Player View->Playlist doesn't seem to show/have the last two repeat/shuffle buttons
- Menu->GetFlash seems to be missing the "Flash" icon on the top-left of the first window
- Menu->Setup Download Chrome seems to missing an icon on one of the light blue splash screens
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Oct 2019, 22:45    Post subject:  

@Sailor E

I pushed a change to petbuilds which should fix the lxterminal icon - it will filter thru soon.

I pushed changes to all the icon themes making sure we have the loop/repeat icon and the shuffle icon for gnome-mplayer; only one of the themes was missing those - Puppy Standard - which I see is your gtk icon theme.

I fixed the main icon in getflash and pushed.

Do you mean the download chrome/opera/vivaldi? I'll be deleting that anyway since chrome and opera dropped 32 bit. There is a new one in no-arch - Download Vivaldi - vivaldi supports, 32 bit, 64 and arm. I'll write a new one for opera/chrome soon and probably put it in common64 repo.

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Oct 2019, 10:42    Post subject:  

Thanks 01micko!

Re: The Lxterminal icon: I tried deleting everything including the local-repository folder and rebuilding, and still it doesn't show the icon in the menu for some reason, though strangely uninstalling it and installing it from ppm fixes it. I included an updated iso if anyone wants to try and help debug what's going on there.

Re: The Download Chrome option: This worked flawlessly in Slacko64 each time I tried it, though it takes about 10-15 minutes for it to set up and squash the pet here, I have been just sticking with Firefox for the most part. In 32-bit I normally just use Oscartalks slimjet pets when I want a chrome-based browser (I believe it still supports 32-bit too? will have to check again though) and understand why you'd want to get rid of Chrome/Opera there. Will try to check out your new versions soon. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Oct 2019, 11:12    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:


Maybe Sailor should mention some download sites for a browser,
because a real newbie won't know off-hand where to find one.
Or maybe provide a light browser like dillo or links with those URLs
already in a download list, to male things easier for said newbie.

But aside from that, I can't find anything missing or wrong with Sailor's
(re)build of this slacko.

I'd say that this pup is Ideal for an older tower or desktop computer.

Good work, SE! Smile

BFN.


Maybe adopt jrb's portable browser installer. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1027621#1027621. AFAIK, the web-browsers that will run OOTB under precise-light will also run OOTB under Slacko 5.7 Updated.
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recobayu


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Oct 2019, 00:07    Post subject:  

I just build limuks based on ubuntu bionic using the last woof ce github. Please go here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1040330#1040330
It is big. If you don't want it big, so just remove the adrv from frugal install folder.

I add some good in simple network setup. So i change a little the /usr/local/simple_network_setup/sns code. So after I input password, I just press enter directly. I hope someone in here want to put it to woof ce github.

And maybe I suggest to add stickyjwm in woof ce, So we can use win + arrow shortcut just like linuxmint. You can upgrade my script if you want.

Thank you..

Edit:
Is it possible to build just puppy, not based ubuntu, debian, or slackware? So We just add debootstrap on it to install anything applications. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2019, 11:35    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
mistfire wrote:
More gui improvements on puppy core apps are coming to woof-ce
Shucks. It's stuff with CLI that needs to be developed. Wink


Agreed. Lots of important system setup/config tasks are still impossible or very complicated without X running...

I made a (overly long) post called "Make Puppy CLI more powerful" about that here: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/issues/1627

One thing we could do is have a puppy-config CLI program, with nice, consistently named commands, that makes it easy to do all the important stuff..

Something like:

puppy-config adblocker <-- runs a cli ad blocker script

puppy-config audio <-- asks some questions, setup as asked, play test sound

puppy-config audio alsa <-- setup alsa so its working, play test sound

puppy-config wifi <-- choose network from list, enter password

puppy-config samba [sharename]

puppy-config bluetooth

puppy-config locale <-- font, language, keybord setup

puppy-config install [drive] <-- asks questions, installs puppy to drive

..etc..

Then the GUIs we already have could be updated/simplified to just call these CLI programs in the background.

As Puppy aims to be easier to use than other Linuxes, a simple tool in the terminal, that replaces more complicated manual setup stuff, would be in keeping with the Puppy philosophy..

And it would pave the way for building barebones Puppies without X that were still easy to setup, customise, etc.

...The arguments given for avoiding the terminal is that is "too hard", "too complicated", "scary", etc..

Well, it would be a lot less scary with puppy-config helping you get setup ..

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2019, 14:42    Post subject:  

speaking of woof-CE I remember there was a forum on nabble site so I went there and see bunch of spam links, has the development moved to github only?
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