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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 10:47    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
OK. I see a lot of discussion, a lot of successful or almost successful builds reported but no ISOs (or woof patches)!
What gives?

@marvrothal: What do you think about the Updates Manager issue I posted on page 46 here?

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
One thing I noticed is that the updates_mgr (Menu -> Setup -> Updates Manager) in Slacko seems to rely on Packages-slackware-14.2-patches, which doesn't exist anymore in my last build. I guess one has to download and filter the entire Packages-slackware-14.2-official to add the changes to the updates_mgr list now, or grab the packages in the ChangeLog.txt list manually from the slackware site? Dragging the Packages-slackware-14.2-patches from the official 6.9.6.4 seemed to make the updates_mgr 0.21 work again, though the "The list was last updated on" still doesn't show a date beside it for me after.

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musher0

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 12:46    Post subject:  

Hi Sailor.

Reviewing my test notes for your new Slacko build and adding the notes
for my two experiments with the Puduan-Ascii and the DPup-Stretch,
these questions came to mind:

Do these new woof-CE templates have a complete Xorg package? Would
it help to compile the most recent X from scratch, for these experimental
Pups?

I ask because I complied all the jwm dependencies in the Puduan-Ascii
and it still doesn't boot to X. Also, but this time in Sailor's new Slacko
build, there seems to be a problem with X changing monitors /
recognizing proper monitor size.

IHTH towards finding a solution. BFN.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 13:06    Post subject:  

Hello again all.

About file permissions:
Has any Puppyist ever tried to apply 616 instead of 717 permissions on
all the binaries of his Pup -- and lived to tell the tale? Laughing

Joke aside, what experience do we collectively have of applying lower
permissions to our Pups? Mavrothal has a point, you know.

What is the proper method(ology) to test file permissions? Does anybody
know? Anybody has pointers?

I did try a couple of times, but it's very easy to lose track. Last time I
tried, I'm not absolutely sure of the cause, but geany went beserk and
shut down ANY text saving operation on ANY editor. So a perfectly good
pupsave became useless because of this test.

Another thing I do know about < chmod -R > is that you cannot apply it
starting from /, and you cannot apply it to itself. That will completely
freeze your Pup. What works is to do it on the directories containing
binaries, for starters, and one at a time, but operating from a copy of
chmod outside them.

IIRC, we have a couple of bright insights on the subject by jfadmin
somewhere in this bazaar of a forum... That would be a starting point.

About the operation above, again IIRC, jfadmin thought that the size of
the pupsave should at least be doubled or even tripled before we start the
operation because the binaries with the new permissions will be stored in
the pupsave. Because the Puppy sfs's are read-only. After the
permissions are changed, then of course in good logic we would do a remaster.

Which is an obvious argument in favor of doing the permissions refit
at the woof-CE level.

If we were successful in bringing down the permissions a notch and still
have a fully operational Pup, this would alleviate the fears of a lot of
present and potential users.

Because let's face it: whether we like it or not, Linux is beginning to be on
the radar of malware kiddos. I'm not saying lower file permissions are the
absolute counter-measure, but I'm sure it's part of it, and we better be
prepared than sorry.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 13:10    Post subject: woof-CE needs you  

I posted the iso and devx of Dpup Stretch 700a1 that I built on Feb22nd
if anyone wants to play with it (at your own risk).
Same goes for anything else in that folder.

http://www.smokey01.com/Bill2/
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 13:25    Post subject:  

Thanks Billtoo.

Downloading now.

Best.

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 14:52    Post subject:  

Splendid, even astounding build, Billtoo! Very Happy

Congratulations!
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belham2

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 14:59    Post subject:  

Mavrothal and all,

I've PM-ed Smokey to set something up so I can upload the 64-bit builds (ISOs & DEVXs) I've done so far. But, as Billtoo notes, anybody that plays with them does so at their own risk. I've an Xenial 64 pup, there's 2 Tahr64s with two diff kernels. Lastly, there's also a Slacko64 6.9.6.4 with the latest 4.2.5 kernel. I've been using this Slacko64-6.9.6.4 for a few days now. I've tried nearly everything in it, and I cannot find a problem with it yet. As for the Debian Jessie 64 pup I am trying to build, that is going to take more time & experimentation as the build scripts just aren't seeing many packages I've had to either find and/or compile.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 15:03    Post subject: Re: woof-CE needs you  

Billtoo wrote:
I posted the iso and devx of Dpup Stretch 700a1 that I built on Feb22nd
if anyone wants to play with it (at your own risk).
Same goes for anything else in that folder.

http://www.smokey01.com/Bill2/



Is this a 32 or 64 bit? If it's 64, I am going to stop building a 64-bit Debian Jessie pup because your Stretch, bill, would be what I was looking for.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 15:11    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Splendid, even astounding build, Billtoo! Very Happy

Congratulations!


Thanks, All credit and blame too I guess goes to @jlst, I just followed the instructions on page 1 of this thread.

I found that the libreoffice works well and the google-earth from a version of tahrpup too.

EDIT: I used the FbBox Control Center to get libreoffice, the new version of FbBox won't be available for a couple of weeks.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 16:41    Post subject:  

Indeed. Congratulations to jlst too on this one! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 21:01    Post subject:  

Ok I just got the compiler working, I also have all the desktop icons working, The compiler was a bit of a trial and error, I downloaded a 35 packages from debian and the last 3 worked. Well Now that I have a working compiler time to compile a newer version of the compiler, one that works, lol
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 23:24    Post subject:  

Here's the clipit pet I compiled on stretch, I made it autostart so you have a clipboard on the bottom of the screen.
Just install it and restart JWM or start it in the utility section of your menu.
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Feb 2017, 00:20    Post subject:  

Here the latest beaver text editor compiled on stretch it has all the plugins also, only thing I never liked on beaver VS Leafpad is the line numbers aren't along the side, its on the bottom of the screen, Other than that its way better than Leafpad, It has a way better search and copy, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Feb 2017, 00:51    Post subject:  

Hello all.

I corrected the numbers in my post about file permissions here. The numbers
should have been "7 5 4" and not "6 1 6". I apologize for any confusion.

Since the mirai incident (this is the thread initiated by Mike7 about it), I
routinely change the permissions for busybox to 754 on all my Pups. For
good measure, I also change those of bash, gawk or mawk, and lsof (if
the real lsof is installed) to 754.

This one-liner does the job:
Code:
for i in busybox bash gawk lsof;do chmod 754 $i;done
Please adapt to your needs.

I noticed no difference whatsoever in performance after editing the
permissions of those major Puppy Linux utilities.

IHTH. BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Feb 2017, 01:29    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Here the latest beaver text editor compiled on stretch it has all the plugins also, only thing I never liked on beaver VS Leafpad is the line numbers aren't along the side, its on the bottom of the screen, Other than that its way better than Leafpad, It has a way better search and copy, etc.
Ha-ha! Can't hide your Canadian origin, can you? Laughing

Joke aside, thanks for those two compilations.

BTW, what's the ldd version (aka glibc version) for this Dpup Stretch?
Silly me, I didn't notice this afternoon. TIA.

An external consideration is that this Dpup Stretch puts us ahead of the
pack, IMO, since Debian hasn't even published its own Stretch yet. We
should polish it as much as we can, and give it a couple of simple extras
generally not found in other distros.

Then, if we play our cards right, timely publication and announcements
may regain a few positions for Puppy on Distro Watch. Just a thought.

BFN.
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