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Lassar

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun 2017, 18:56    Post subject: Question about package depencies?  

What is the best way to modify DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS as far as dependencies are concerned.

DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu-xenial mentions vlc, and mplayer package.

Example:

yes|speex|libspeex1,libspeex-dev,libspeexdsp1,libspeexdsp-dev|exe,dev,doc,nls| #needed by mplayer, vlc. note, some apps only need libspeex1, others need both.

Do I say yes as kodi might need them, or do I say no to these and let the
thorough dependency check warn me about dependencies needed.

I want to minimize the size of the puppy.

Which is best?

On doing a thorough dependency check.

Will doing a thorough dependency check warn me about packages, that I do not need.

Will doing a thorough dependency check warn me about packages, that I need.

What is the best way of doing this?
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun 2017, 19:10    Post subject: Re: Changes to readme.txt  

Lassar wrote:
Two changes needs to be made to the readme.txt file.

First:

"3. Build Puppy live-CD
This gets built in a directory named 'sandbox3' and as well as the live-CD iso file you will also find the individual built files and the 'devx' file.

# ./3builddistro"

"./3builddistro" needs to be changed to "./3builddistro-Z"

The "NOTE June. 18, 2014" at the bottom talks about the switch to 3builddistro-Z in more detail. I think that's an interesting approach that works, and punishes people who don't read the whole thing and rewards those who do. Twisted Evil Laughing
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Lassar

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun 2017, 23:53    Post subject: Re: Changes to readme.txt  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
Lassar wrote:
Two changes needs to be made to the readme.txt file.

First:

"3. Build Puppy live-CD
This gets built in a directory named 'sandbox3' and as well as the live-CD iso file you will also find the individual built files and the 'devx' file.

# ./3builddistro"

"./3builddistro" needs to be changed to "./3builddistro-Z"

The "NOTE June. 18, 2014" at the bottom talks about the switch to 3builddistro-Z in more detail. I think that's an interesting approach that works, and punishes people who don't read the whole thing and rewards those who do. Twisted Evil Laughing


./3builddistro is just plain wrong, inaccurate, and confuses people.

We want to keep the readme.txt truthful & accurate.
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jun 2017, 23:10    Post subject:  

I tried another Slacko 5.7.1 build. Some things in it are pretty old by today's standards, like the mksquashfs versions don't understand what "-comp xz" is, but it might make a fun play thing. 2014 slacko with 2017 woof-ce and security updates. Haha.
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belham2

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun 2017, 13:42    Post subject:  

Sailor,

Didn't you mention this bug somewhere? I just encountered it today:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=956828#956828

Am I remembering correctly?? I know someone wrote about in the past few days, and I thought it was you. I'm looking for a solution, if there is one.

Thanks!
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun 2017, 13:48    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
Am I remembering correctly?? I know someone wrote about in the past few days, and I thought it was you. I'm looking for a solution, if there is one.

Haha yeah, I think it's fixed now as of commit 5296 in woof-CE. Maybe it was this code that fixed it?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=956708#956708
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun 2017, 14:03    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
belham2 wrote:
Am I remembering correctly?? I know someone wrote about in the past few days, and I thought it was you. I'm looking for a solution, if there is one.

Haha yeah, I think it's fixed now as of commit 5296 in woof-CE. Maybe it was this code that fixed it?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=956708#956708



Thanks, Sailor E. I put a link in Peebee's thread so he sees this.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Jun 2017, 22:15    Post subject:  

Found 4 more mini-icons to add when scouring about in 5.7.1 so that gave me an excuse to build a newer iso. Smile
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=kZky4GZl9yXlXfQ2OVitrEQ0H0qWYjY67NX#folder=762680005
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jun 2017, 13:48    Post subject: woof-CE needs you  

Latest slacko64 from woof-CE:

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Slacko64 Puppy, version 6.9.9.9

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1920x1080
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe
Drivers requested to be loaded: intel

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri2 glx kbd mouse present

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 3840x1080 pixels (1013x285 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#
I've installed it to both my Acer laptop (touch works) and my hp mini desktop (here).

Works well so far,
Thanks.
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saintless


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jun 2017, 01:39    Post subject:
Subject description: Using puppy with official Debian/Ubuntu kernel?
 

Question to someone of the woof-ce developers:

Why Puppy needs its own compiled kernel? Except the smaller initrd.gz size.
It is possible to use puppy initrd.gz with official Debian kernel after small additions in the code (thanks to sfs) and adding part of the kernel drivers inside.
Do you see any possible problems with puppy scripts if the kernel is from Debian?
Do you see this as something positive for woof-ce future or not?
Anyone interested to work on this?

The positive side is any kernel security fix will be easy upgradable from the base distribution instead recompiling the kernel.
The negative side is initrd.gz must include some kernel drivers (duplicated in the kernel.sfs module). initrd.gz size will be from 6 to 10Mb depending on the kernel.

Toni

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Pelo


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jun 2017, 02:30    Post subject: Puppy 4.3.1 (Toutou Fr version)  

I was working all day long With Windows Xp at my office. When i have my first old laptop, my goal was to run something different at home. I tried five Linux OS, multiboot on a CD bought with Linux magazine (10 euros) . I found these big distros more boring than Windows XP, until i discovered Puppy 4.3.1 (Toutou Fr version). Puppy is Linux was what i was looking for, for home. Light, speedy, easy to install.
I understand that Debian lovers would like to mix it with the speediness of our little Puppy.
But why should i change my Puppy for something different ? PPM the package manager give us access to quite all applications available in 'Dogs' ?
The interest of these projects is for training Linux programmers. What we miss a lot is developers for applications, not for the OS.
. It looks like we were farmers with lots of brand new tractors with the machines for horses to link with
We have still more than 600 Puppies available; What a choice !
Yes i Know, devs want to do what they like, which often is not what we need..

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jun 2017, 15:58    Post subject:  

Pelo wrote:
But why should i change my Puppy for something different ?

You don't have to change Puppy. My post was about changing kernel. Allmost all packages are already taken from the base distro. Why not use the same kernel? The developer will have more time for other things instead recompiling the kernel again and again. And much faster woof-ce building I guess.
It is not important anyway. But the possibility is there.

Quote:
PPM the package manager give us access to quite all applications available in 'Dogs' ?

Really? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jun 2017, 02:40    Post subject: The kernel must be wireless for laptop antennas
Subject description: Last puppy stretch is ok (kernel 4.1.38)
 

About changing the kernel saintless, it was suggested to keep the same kernel for a puppy family for instance Puppies 5. Nothing against the idea, if they are compatibles for using wireless with an antenna
Because drivers provided with the are not efficient
And in many countries wireless is still weak.
People whose hobby is programming don't care, but Puppy is not an OS for programming at home, its more a tiny OS you can go with it. An usb or a little CD in you pocket, the laptop in your car,
Last puppy stretch is ok with kernel 4.1.38 (rcrsn compiled a pet for driver 8192cu).

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jun 2017, 03:35    Post subject:  

Thanks for the information Pelo. We are not woof-ce developers and none of them seems interested with my ideas. Lets stop here.

Edit: But If someday someone is interested also how to add systemd-boot in puppy explore a bit more the commits in the code link I gave above.

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jun 2017, 09:48    Post subject:  

saintless wrote:
We are not woof-ce developers and none of them seems interested with my ideas.

CE means "community edition", it's probably closer to this than your definition above: https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy
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