Wheezy 19-10-15

[slavvo67]

So every time I hear Wheezy I think of the wife from the Jeffersons. Perhaps, just showing my age...

[Pelo]

probleme de traduction : peine is not pain
Puppy derivative is not Puppy à la dérive ( floating off)

[darry1966]

Hi Stemsee
Machine: Dell D620
Distro: As Above

Everything works well. Bare ram use 80meg
Only noted menu Gnome-Mplayer doesn't work. Desktop icon does.

Connected straight away with wireless. Haven't run a Pup in a long time not bad and nice looking desktop. Hope others will get behind it.

[musher0]

@pelo

probleme de traduction : peine is not pain

Please see : http://www.wordreference.com/fren/peine

Puppy derivative is not Puppy à la dérive ( floating off)

Please see : http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/derivative

@all
I edited my message above about the re-spin missing 275 pet packages...

BFN.

musher0

[darry1966]

To my knowledge, only WattOS has ever offered a pekwm-based
distro, and a while back at that.

Hi Musher, LinuxBBQ did a spin(s) with Pekwm
http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxbbq/files/PekWM/

[musher0]

To my knowledge, only WattOS has ever offered a pekwm-based
distro, and a while back at that.

Hi Musher, LinuxBBQ did a spin(s) with Pekwm
http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxbbq/files/PekWM/

Thanks Darry.

I'll look it up sometime.

[Pelo]

Your puppy Wheezy dowloaded to see what it looks like (or better to see the difference). Musher0 has some hard job to get it updated at his taste. Please just wait some days.

[Pelo]

pupjibaro wheezy seems to be abandoned on the forum by Josejp2424.
No news on british and spanish forums.
What is the translation of 'wheezy' : poor lonesome Puppy. maker. ..
Canadian mushers never will have abandoned the huskies Perhaps due lack of interest on the forum, josejp perhaps is desesperate.
test the pupiies of your friendly colleagues, that will make them happy, if critical opinions bless them, underline what is valuable. .
They will try yours... debate will create progress and perhaps less Puppies, because international teams will born around the same project.
Developers are alone, Puppy is a community,

[stemsee]

I have tried pupjibaro, very nice interface!

[Pelo]

i Don't understand why a new version of DPUP wheezy is so hard to create. All your problems seem caused by woof..
Just change the kernel of an old dpup squeeze, change the .packages repository to a Wheezy one, provide a Firefox version around 25
Check in newer version of apps exists,
and GO ! release Puppy Wheezy 2016
Apart the PPM, there is nothing Debian needed, is it ? perharps a background with Debian logo... and that will go !
Why changing to Porteus boot system, puppy's one is better.
What is important in a distro is not how it boots. it's once installed, what is available. Distro means distribute, no ?
And my cruel opinion, tahrpup PPM is largely better than the Debian Puppies one. (huge dependancies)

[stemsee]

One of the problems building a newer DPup Wheezy is that the .pet packages used to build the base need updating. That means someone has to compile the latest packages and pack them in .pet format and upload them or place them in the woof-ce pet dir. Then the packages database file in woof-ce needs updating to the latest version numbers available. Really this should all be scripted in the build system, or automated ... which is what interests me. So the T2 build system offered by BK may do all of that! I tried to get it going but on my system it just wouldn't fly! Too many bumps in the road at that time .... maybe better now ... or maybe I should just do it on a newer pup.

Personally I am interested in building a more logical and simplified (for the beginner) linux distro. With the best features from all the systems. Master of all trades: jack of none.

[Pelo]

ah Stemsee, your are my friend !
"That means someone has to compile the latest packages and pack them in .pet format "

someone here is the future of Puppy.
I was told to compile myself. If each user is told to compile, users will be only graduate linuxians. Puppy builders must compile pets first. And work together for that. then users will build Puppy as they like at home. (or SFS, it's the same). Woof will collect all these renewed pets, and then, only then, a new puppy will born, not a remake.

My feel is that Puppy is becoming a distro to study Linux. I adopt Puppy because it was offering me a full service for home in a small size. I don't want to be a programmer.

[stemsee]

]Puppy builders must compile pets first. And work together for that. . . . Woof will collect all these renewed pets, and then, only then, a new puppy will born, not a remake.

Should someone else then verify the contents and quality of each .pet package that has been built ... does each contain an accurate and up-to-date dependency reference, are the packages installed in the correct-for-specific-distro-flavour directory? Is there a postinstall script to remove rival scrip/binary/config ... are configs in /etc or /root ...

Who will check and verify ?? Everyone in the community?? Who will verify the quality of their work?? Will malicious code creep in or otherwise be inserted to sabotage good efforts??

I too never intended to be a programmer, and I am NOT! Writing code that does a job is not necessarily good programming practice from a security perspective! No REAL programmers ever use my scripts!! But my scripts serve their limited purpose in my pup derivative!! I don't like scripts that pretend to check for everything and then fail anyway!! I demand more robustness and intervention to finish successfully, that is what I want, and think I acheive.
If you come to linux, then you must learn to use the command line interface, and this is already the start of programming!! Linux gives the control back to the user.

[musher0]

Hello stemsee and pelo.

Your exchange of ideas above is great progress for this community, IMO.

I'll touch on a few of your themes, in no order.

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Yes we should collaborate. But we are also individuals looking to express ourselves.
Co-operation is a simple concept, even a romantic one, but only on the surface.

Because when we humans co-operate, we have to keep the "personal glory" instinct
on a leash. That's difficult for most people. Not everyone has inborn humility like
Saint Francis or others like him (from any religion).

There are various ways to collaborate. All at once as in an active team, or one after
the other. Presently in Puppy we are collaborating in this 2nd way.

Another fact is that co-operation often appears chaotic in the beginning; it "gels" as
the group approaches its goal.

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I'm not a programmer either. A scripter perhaps. Like what stemsee describes. What
happened was that I was discovering problems or uncharted territory in Puppy and
nobody was listening or at least had answers. So I took things in my own hands
and started learning bash to come up with solutions.

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My "Pooch" is essentially an edit of the Woof-CE Dpup Wheezy template that
exists. I learned good editing / proof-reading skills in my profession, and I am just
applying those to Puppy.

It looks as if nobody ever did a proper and thorough "proof-read" of Puppy before or
at least of the Woof-CE for the DPup Wheezy. "Proof-reading" is just a double-
checking technique. I don't want to destroy anything or any reputation, I just
want to make Puppy better, and this is one way of doing it.

BFN.

[Pelo]

i am using now the spanish wheezy, it has some defaults, sure
your are not working together, and not one after the other, you are working alone, and you complain about that. .
Why dowloading sites are not shared, at least for puppies from the same country ? Hostile attitude 'Chacun pour soi) Every man for himself ! is that GNU ?
just to run the wheezy of your colleagues one day would be a great benefit .
pelo had run several wheezy. Why a puppy builder wouldn't do the same ?
On ne peut pas être juge et partie. Lot of defauts will appear when somebody else run the beta version. as we lack of users ( ) puppy builders have to be the users of each others; but we are far away that cooperation.

I feel like it's a competition to pass an exam and to get the leadership.
when a puppy-builder will not ever use his production, or abandone it on the forum, how users can trust him ?
If i had burn CDs for upup series tried, i will have spent all my money. when you post a question on the topic, no answer, you are the idiot user. la vieille chaussette, a tissue (mouchoir à jeter). One way to disgrace them, is to publish on the Puppy Facebook, in their language, in their country. You can congratulate too, of course, when the puppy builder is Nilson Morales or Puppyluvr... a Moldu was speaking. Sure on the french side, Toutou has no facebook site, users can think, our french puppy builders have no return (congratulations ou engueulades).
Wheezy spanish spoken pupjibaro 207MB JWM

[musher0]

A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to
meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through a
jointly owned and democratically-controlled enterprise.

Source

Don't push it, pelo.

You can't force me, sorry. Unless you're envisioning a communist-type (i.e. forced)
co-op? Forced co-ops were a huge flop in communist countries, back in the day.
~~~~~~~~
Another, untold, component of co-ops is trust between members. It's especially
important in small co-ops or work teams (the Americans call them that). Trust does
not grow overnight.
~~~~~~~~
You have to meditate on each and every word in the above definition and be in
agreement with the definition before you join a co-op.
~~~~~~~~
As for me, after a long co-op experience, I've come to develop an independent spirit
and I like it that way. "Never say never", as the saying goes, but for now, I'm ok
with my situation and with the one-after-the-other type of co-operation we currently
have in Puppy.
~~~~~~~~
Has the author of PupJibaro mentioned the reason why he's discontinuing it? Did he
expressly mention "lack of co-operation"? Let's wait until he does before we jump
to any conclusion.
~~~~~~~~
Finally, let's not confuse sharing with structured co-operatives and/or co-operation.
There can be -- and there is -- a degree or form of co-operation in any human
enterprise. Structuring co-operation is often unnecessary; it can even become an
obstacle to natural co-operation.

BFN.

[Pelo]

Computing nowadays : build programs cannot be done by only one person. It's not realistic.. Futhermore if he had to assume SAV id est maintenance, overhaul.

Not only they don't co-op, they try to make your project fail, that is the truth ! and not only on the english spoken, in the german, the french and the spanish too
That is the reason why forums appear here and there, each one will have his Puppy, and his forum; But alone, it's always has been a fiasco
The Puppy 'petits pois' is the perfect reflect of hostile attitude. (slacko 5.3.3 issued France), firstly renamed by Spanish, and then by british. (with jejy written in very small characters, down the page)
Simplicity is an other one.
pupjibaro wheezy discontinued

[Pelo]

"Has the author of PupJibaro mentioned the reason why he's discontinuing it? Did he
expressly mention "lack of co-operation"? Let's wait until he does before we jump
to any conclusion. "
come back to wheezy project by josep24. Have a look on spanish forum, not the Murga one
It's a really nice one, with tutos, repositories, and... Puppy Facebook site. Many videos on You Tube... Life is there.
But if they post on Murga Forum to promote Puppy Wheezy, they must take a glance at the topic.
I now that Pupjibaro by Nilson is a full success in south america, because it's a latin Puppy.
The russian puppy is a success too, perhaps russian puppies are the most downloaded in the world
it had been a divorce from english speaking society first, mainly for the language, but not only. Russian, spanish, latinos, italians, hungarians have their forum outside Murga.

There is a divorce between spanish and argentina... personal bad relations. which could explain why pupjibaro wheezy is alone, and josep24 cannot be everywhere. Shiba is his dada now. users can trash the pupjibaro Wheezy or take it as yours ! Just change the name.

[stemsee]

I feel like it's a competition to pass an exam and to get the leadership.
when a puppy-builder will not ever use his production, or abandone it on the forum, how users can trust him?

What benefit is their 'trust', man does not live on users alone!!! He needs bread!

If i had burn CDs for upup series tried, i will have spent all my money.

When a puppy builder builds a puppy he uses plenty of his time and electricity and knowledge, and time again, and neglects other aspects of his life ... for what?? For users who maybe do not appreciate the free gift, but moan about the cost of a cd!?!? If the price of cd uses all your money then you have the wrong hobby for a homeless person!!!

when you post a question on the topic, no answer, you are the idiot user. la vieille chaussette, a tissue (mouchoir à jeter). One way to disgrace them, is to publish on the Puppy Facebook, in their language, in their country.

Developer ~ user is not a marriage with legal rights, nearly everything in puppy comes with the disclaimer " use at your own risk. No responsibility accepted." The efforts of developers and contributors is almost entirely voluntary and at cost to themselves and John Murga, and smokey01 (server space), everything is often mutually beneficial.

Pelo, dear chap, your eyes are wide shut!

[minux]

Do you know how to download with dm because my speed is very slow ?
The reason because the progress bar is from the site not from my the browser.

Thanks