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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 07:13    Post subject:  testing: a slacko without xorgwizard-automatic
Subject description: Should boot to desktop faster
 

This is Proof of Concept. See down the page for a testing iso image (32 and 64 bit versions available).

To address many issues with booting to desktop I have created a branch of woof-CE called "xorg". Discussion is here (issue 583).

Larry (playdayz) brought us 'boot to desktop' with Lucid Puppy around 5 years ago. It was a real innovation, albeit a bit hackish. Barry really didn't like the implementation (with fair reason) and brought about his own implementation first viewed in precise and slacko-5.5. (IIRC - could be earlier).

The trouble is, Barry's way still relied on a fully populated xorg.conf which worked well for some hardwares but was disastrous on some others. (eeepc-701's are a good example of total failure).

Ever since Xorg-7.4 Linux has been able to boot to desktop unaided by any configuration files (ie: xorg.conf). FatDog already does this with a completely different way to start X.

Of course configuration files are still needed in some cases, especially for setting your localised or alternate keyboard map. There is a directory named /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for such files and there is the possibility to include several of these ranging from simple keyboard layouts to complex accelerometer and joystick setups.

What we are attempting to do here is get at least the basics working, including, but not limited to, keyboard (especially layout), mouse, touchpad (alps, elantech,synaptics), touchscreen and others without relying on xorg.conf.

The key to all of this is udev support (or soon eudev).

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So far, only Slacko is known working (maybe, report if not). I may have to build a Devuan/Debian build (due to lack of builders) to make sure it works in deb based puppies. Hopefully though, Iguleder will find some time to test and improve with his librepup derivative (based in trisquel).


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Link to the first experimental Slacko64 (64 bit) iso:


Slacko64 6.3.0.1 (iso and checksum)
Deltas available as development progresses.

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And also the first experimental Slacko (32 bit) iso:


Slacko 6.3.0.1 (iso and checksum)
Deltas available as development progresses.

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Please report if:
  • it boots to desktop
  • if keyboard works
  • if mouse works
  • if touchpad works
  • if touchscreen works
  • any input issues


NOTE: localised and special keyboard layouts are broken for the moment. It is a work in progress. You can fix it manually. Let us know what you do to fix it.

I'm not interested in other bugs such as slacko specific or woof bugs. They are the topic of another discussion.

Have fun!

[Disclaimer: This is testing. Not to be used as a daily driver or for production. You have been warned and no responsibility will be accepted in accordance with GPLv2 or later at your discretion]

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ally


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Location: lincoln, uk

PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 07:59    Post subject:  

hey micko

frugal install to a lenovo x201, booted to desktop, keyboard, mouse and touchpad all fine

quick open of a handful of programs without difficulty

still no wifi (02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35)), loads iwlwifi but not iwldvm

same issue as all recent slacko 6s

prefer 'traditional' layout

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 08:06    Post subject:  

1. It boots to the desktop.
2. keyboard works
3. wireless mouse works
4. touchpad works
5.touchscreen works

Broadcom wireless isn't supported so using usb adapter which end up covering the usb port next to it so only 2 of 3 usb ports are available.

That's it.
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zigbert


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 09:05    Post subject:  

Boots to desktop - OK
Keyboard works - OK
Mouse - OK
Touchpad - N/A
Touchscreen - N/A

Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 09:09    Post subject: Re: testing: a slacko without xorgwizard-automatic
Subject description: Should boot to desktop faster
 

01micko wrote:
Please report if:
  • it boots to desktop
  • if keyboard works
  • if mouse works
  • if touchpad works
  • if touchscreen works
  • any input issues


On this E6410, I put the files in a directory on an ext4 hard drive partition.
GRUB4DOS frugal boot results:
Boots to desktop, keyboard works, wired mouse works, touchpad works.

(Oh, like Zigbert, I have no Touchscreen.)

SNS does not work, Frisbee does; Atheros internal wireless.

I'm using the testing Slacko now.

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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 09:20    Post subject:  

Billtoo wrote:

5.touchscreen works


Mainly the one I'm seeking. Wink

Of course all the other results are good too (ally, zigbert, sheldonisaac) because this is experimental. Connectivity issues are beyond the scope here but no worries, you can continue to report them if you wish. Smile

We are at the beginning of a transitional phase and all results are important.

Thank you and please continue. Smile

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peebee


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 10:09    Post subject:  

Desktop with nvidia graphics - boots successfully to desktop, mouse working OK. Will try on laptops later....

However, selecting UK keyboard doesn't work - still types US layout.
Quote:
Keyboard gives: !@#$%^&*()_+

should be: !"£$%^&*()_+

Language: en_GB.UTF-8
Keyboard: uk
Timezone: Europe/London

LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_ALL=

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 10:50    Post subject:  

Looks good in couple of VMs ( Embarassed )

Unrelated (ignore if you want), are all the packages created fresh for this build or you reuse the ones in your HD from the 6.3.0 build?
I wonder why ngettext is not in the build. It is in the slackware package and it is in the template and yet is missing Confused

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 10:54    Post subject: Re: testing: slacko 6.3.0.1 without xorgwizard-automatic
Subject description: Should boot to desktop
 

01micko wrote:
Please report if:[list][*]it boots to desktop

Sorry, slacko 6.3.0.1 does not boot to desktop.

After
... loading kernel modules
black screen (no input).

Same result as with other recent puppies and quirkies.
and same result with pfix=nox.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/AD2550-ITX/?cat=Specifications

BTW, pfix=nox would be of some use
if it would not try to configure X...
... and then loose connection to the screen
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 11:19    Post subject:  

Frugal install to SSD on Fujitsu S6520 (core 2 duo, synaptics touchpad, iwlwifi, intel i915 dvr graphics.

boots to desktop
keyboard works (us only to test)
touchpad works (synaptics, flsynclient configuration works)
no input issues I can see

iwlwifi (series 5000) connects using Frisbee
sound ok
lid closure/suspend works
Code:
-Computer-
Processor      : 2x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz
Memory      : 3029MB (218MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : Slacko64 Puppy - 6.3.0.1
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Wed 02 Dec 2015 09:07:21 AM CST
-Display-
Resolution      : 1280x800 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : Mesa DRI Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
Audio Adapter      : PC-Speaker - pcsp
-Input Devices-
 Lid Switch
 Power Button
 Power Button
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
 Fujitsu FUJ02B1
 Fujitsu FUJ02E3
 PC Speaker
 Video Bus
-Printers (CUPS)-
CUPS-PDF      : <i>Default</i>
-SCSI Disks-
ATA INTEL SSDSA2M080
MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ862BJ


Posting from it now. I will try the Bay-Trail Desktop later.

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rufwoof

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 11:54    Post subject:  

Sorry can't test as my 64 bit PC bit the dust and I'm running a older 32 bit. But thanks for the history lesson. I had no idea about that history/capability.

Just downloaded Lupu528 barebone and on this old box plugged into the 42" TV VGA ... and it booted to desktop/net connect fine. Set the display to 1920x1080 (1080p) and it's looking nice. Loaded up portable firefox fine too.

Great that effort is being made to make straight to desktop better/easier. As a newbie a year ago I really struggled with the kit that I had then, modesetting and wireless problems was almost a show stopper for me.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 13:22    Post subject:  

Frugal Grub4Dos install to 80Gb SATA HD on Bay-Trail desktop (Celeron J1900 CPU, RTL8168g NIC, intel i915 dvr graphics, PS2 mouse, US keyboard)

boots to desktop ok
keyboard works (US only to test)
PS2 connected generic scrollwheel mouse works
USB detection and hotplugging fine

wired network connection automatic at boot using RTL8168g NIC
sound ok


Code:
-Computer-
Processor      : 4x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
Memory      : 3482MB (146MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : Slacko64 Puppy - 6.3.0.1
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Wed 02 Dec 2015 11:06:39 AM CST
-Display-
Resolution      : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : Mesa DRI Intel(R) Bay Trail
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
Audio Adapter      : PC-Speaker - pcsp
-Input Devices-
 Power Button
 Sleep Button
 Power Button
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse
 Video Bus
 PC Speaker
-Printers (CUPS)-
CUPS-PDF      : <i>Default</i>
-SCSI Disks-
ATA ST380815AS
TEAC DV-W524GSB

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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Dec 2015, 17:36    Post subject: Re: testing: slacko 6.3.0.1 without xorgwizard-automatic
Subject description: Should boot to desktop
 

L18L wrote:
01micko wrote:
Please report if:[list][*]it boots to desktop

Sorry, slacko 6.3.0.1 does not boot to desktop.

After
... loading kernel modules
black screen (no input).

Same result as with other recent puppies and quirkies.
and same result with pfix=nox.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/AD2550-ITX/?cat=Specifications

BTW, pfix=nox would be of some use
if it would not try to configure X...
... and then loose connection to the screen


I see you have the - Intel® PowerVR SGX545, a known problem in many kernels. I don't know why it is broken. I'll have to recheck my kernel config. It should work with 'modesetting' xorg driver which will need to be moved from 'drivers-alternate' in with all the drivers.

The problem with NOX is that it still loads the kernel modules. I don't think pfix=nomodeset would help either because vesa doesn't work as far as I know with that chip.

mavrothal wrote:
Unrelated (ignore if you want), are all the packages created fresh for this build or you reuse the ones in your HD from the 6.3.0 build?
I wonder why ngettext is not in the build. It is in the slackware package and it is in the template and yet is missing

yeah I didn't rebuild gettext. Embarassed . Thanks for reminder.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Dec 2015, 01:41    Post subject:  

Code:
# inxi -Fx
System:    Host: puppypc22339 Kernel: 4.1.11 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) Desktop: JWM 2.3.2 Distro: Slacko64 Puppy 6.3.0.1
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: M5A97 LE R2.0 version: Rev 1.xx serial: 150545593600028
           Bios: American Megatrends version: 2601 date: 03/24/2015
CPU:       Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 42160.3
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1400.00 MHz 2: 1400.00 MHz 3: 1400.00 MHz 4: 1400.00 MHz 5: 3000.00 MHz 6: 1400.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           X.org: 1.14.3 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: vesa) tty size: 80x25 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card-1: AMD/ATI [Advanced Micro Devices ] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
           Card-2: NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k4.1.11
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 ver: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 1c:87:2c:5a:bb:e2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (-) 1: id: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 120.0GB
           2: id: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID: swap-1 size: 8.60GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 128 Uptime: 7 min Memory: 272.2/7875.5MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.8.2
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.53) inxi: 1.9.17


Code:
 boots to desktop
 keyboard works
 mouse works
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Dec 2015, 03:35    Post subject:  

Intel i7 2600
Nvidia Geforce GTX 960
8 GB ram
Frugal USB flash drive

Boots to a desktop, but the desktop is all distorted and in general
unusable. Just a bunch of lines, partial images, and colors.
Kernel support for this graphics card is probably the problem.

keyboard works- OK
mouse works- OK
touchpad works- NA
touchscreen works- NA

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