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Windows 10 and Puppy coexisting
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Packetteer


Joined: 12 May 2012
Posts: 73
Location: Long Island Ny

PostPosted: Sun 27 Dec 2015, 12:56    Post subject:  Windows 10 and Puppy coexisting
Subject description: I had a problem that I found a fix for.
 

Hi All

I have upgraded Windows 7 to Windows 10.
Everything worked fine in the beginning.

I am using Slacko 5.7.0 on a flash drive.

I would boot to Slacko and mount the
hard drive SDA3 which is the hard drive partition that contains the C: drive.
I would then proceed to save data files made with Slacko to the Documents
directory. The files saved fine.

Later I would boot Windows 10 and Windows 10 automatically ran checkdsk.
All seemed fine when Windows finally booted. (I did other things in Windows 10
I did not look at my Slacko data files.) What I mean by Data files is simple Text
files created with Geany.

Later I booted Slacko and low and behold my text files were missing.
I realized that Windows 10 seemed to decide that these text files were corrupt
and when checkdsk was run they were "Repaired".

Days later when I booted Windows 10 again Windows 10 once again ran
Chkdsk automatically. When Windows 10 booted some of the programs on the
task bar were missing and when I left clicked on the start menu nothing happened. The start menu did not open.

At that point I down loaded the Windows 10 Iso file and reinstalled/repaired
the Windows 10 install.

Windows 10 once again is working fine.

To be honest I do not really know why this all happened.

By doing some googling I found out that when you shutdown Windows 10
by using the start menu power down Windows 10 saves it state to the hard
drive as if it is hibernating then the PC shuts down.

I think that somehow the saved "hibernating files" got corrupted. Maybe it had
to do with Puppy maybe not.

My solution for this is the following.
The first thing I did from the once again working Windows 10 is put a
blank 128 gig flash drive in the usb drive of the PC. Then I copied the
Documents directory, The Music directory and the Picture directory to the
flash drive. So now when I am booted into Slacko I do not mount SAD3.
I use the flash drive instead.

The other thing that I do when shutting down Windows 10 is I no longer use
the start menu power item to shutdown Windows 10 instead I use the
command prompt and enter the command

shutdown /p

The p causes a complete graceful shutdown with out saving any
"hibernating files" since this type of shutdown is the same as all the earlier
versions of Windows.
This method does cause my system to boot Windows 10 slower but at least
there are no longer any "hibernating files" on the hard drive to get corrupted
somehow.

If I make changes to any files I then put the flash drive into the
USB port and copy the changed files over from the hard drive to the flash
drive. Since I am only using Windows 10 to run some Windows
programs and therefore doing very little in Windows 10 the amount of files
that I have to remember to copy is quite small.

So now I have the benefit of having my music,pictures and data files backed up
to this flash drive.

My reason for posting this is the hope that something in this mostly rambling
post will be of interest to somebody.

Best Regards
John
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saintless


Joined: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 3882
Location: Bulgaria

PostPosted: Sun 27 Dec 2015, 14:32    Post subject: Re: Windows 10 and Puppy coexisting
Subject description: I had a problem that I found a fix for.
 

Packetteer wrote:
By doing some googling I found out that when you shutdown Windows 10
by using the start menu power down Windows 10 saves it state to the hard
drive as if it is hibernating then the PC shuts down.

You are on the right track.
Few days ago I made changes in mint initrd.img file to add option for save file on ext3,4 and ntfs partition:
Quote:
10. ...With the official initrd.lz for casper-boot (included in the iso) you can use save file only on vfat partition for security reasons. There is a warning in casper-helpers script - being able to mount a journalled filesystem and replay the journal could cause data loss when a live CD is booted on a system where filesystems are in use by hibernated operating systems. This initrd.lz includes mods to load casper-rw save file (also encrypted) from ntfs, ext2, ext3, ext4 and vfat partitions. But use it at your own risk!

I think this problem could appear with any live system with option to save changes on ext3,4 and ntfs partitions. Not only with Puppy.

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cimarron


Joined: 30 May 2013
Posts: 293

PostPosted: Sun 27 Dec 2015, 14:43    Post subject:  

You can turn off the hibernate/shutdown default behavior in Windows 10 with a setting in the control panel, as described in this article:
http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-or-enable-fast-startup-in-windows-10/

Remember to click "save changes" after you untick the Fast Startup box. Then when you choose Shutdown from the menu it will shutdown normally without hibernating.
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drunkjedi


Joined: 24 May 2015
Posts: 897

PostPosted: Wed 30 Dec 2015, 23:30    Post subject:  

I installed Win 10 just so I could test and play a game I regularly play on Android. (World of Tanks Blitz).
First thing I did was disable Fast Boot.
Heck I disabled Hibernation altogether.

Everything is fine now.
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kb8amz

Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 42
Location: Kent, Ohio, USA

PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr 2016, 19:24    Post subject:  

I recently purchase an HP laptop that came with Windows 10 pre-installed. I use the laptop with USB FatDog64 7.02 primarily. I have a scanner that I purchased to scan any document, receipt, or photograph that I want digitized. I didn't read the OS requirements before purchase. My bad. I found no Linux OS work-around that recognizes the scanner, VuPoint Magic InstaScan Model PDSWF-ST48-VP. This scanner scans only the document, photo and not the surrounding area that my flatbed scanner scans. This saves having to later crop all the images. Unfortunately the software that comes with the scanner for downloading the images for storing on a hard drive only runs on MS Windows and OS/X. I thought the scanner save the images in .jpg file format but apparently it doesn't and the software that runs on everything but *nix OS saves the images to its format that can later be converted to .jpg.

So I unfortunately have to save Windows 10 just to digitize all my photos and documents.

I telephoned the company to speak to a tech to determine if the Linux system would ever be supported and was told there is no plan to do so.

Since going exclusive Linux in 2005 I typically don't buy hardware that is not Linux compatible but I had a weak moment when I saw this device advertised on HSN. I had a weak moment when I saw this HP laptop advertised, too. I will not buy another HP PC. I have two complaints with this laptop. Boot time is about 5 minutes. Even booting MS-DOS from an 5.25 inch diskette in 1989 was faster. The keyboard on this laptop sucks. I am constantly pressing the backspace key because the right shift key doesn't engage properly when I want to type and uppercase letter and several of the other keys require considerable force to get the proper character displayed on the monitor.

Forgive me for this rant...

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drunkjedi


Joined: 24 May 2015
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr 2016, 21:14    Post subject:  

What format the scanner is saving to?
Some raw image format?
Some tools specialized to read and edit raw images might work.
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kb8amz

Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 42
Location: Kent, Ohio, USA

PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2016, 06:03    Post subject:  

drunkjedi wrote:
What format the scanner is saving to?
Some raw image format?
Some tools specialized to read and edit raw images might work.


Scanner reads in either jpg or pdf. I have it set to read in jpg. I've using the supplied mini USB/USB cable and pulling the SD card and using a reader to read the images. Software applications I've tried to read the data are Shotwell, Inkscape, and GIMP. All the application software gives the same result, "unrecognized format".

I will try to re-scan photos using pdf format. Maybe the pdf viewer can import the images.

Thank you for your comment, though.
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