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The Major · Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 47 Location: UK

I'd be interested in understanding how you preserve Java after a remaster. I had created my own version of Puppy that I use on a daily basis, which is a form of Puppy Professional (basically to be a quick recovery disk), and although the java folder structure was preserved - I placed it below root - I still had to download Java again to make evrything work.

This is a minor irritation, but I'd like to learn how to do it properly.

jam · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 245

The Major,

If you remaster using Dougal's new remaster script it should preserve your Java install. My remaster contains the latest Java 1.5.0_08 release. You can get the latest remaster script below. It only seems to work soothly with Puppy 2.10

Remaster Script Thread:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=10922&highlight=remaster

There are some customized settings related to my distro, such as browser and desktop settings which it did not preserve, so I wrote a short script to copy them to /root during the remaster process.

Springer · Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 52 Location: Austin, TX

[quote="Lobster"]I believe this commercial project evolved from Hancom Office
http://product.thinkfree.com/purchase/pc_tfo.html

anyone try them?

Not in a long time, but ThinkFree predates HancomOffice by many years. ThinkFree was the *original* online office suite, and has been around for the better part of a decade now (I'm pretty sure I was using it in 1997-2000), although both the product and the company have changed more than a little since then. I quit using it when my needs for collaboration lessened, and ThinkFree tried to go to a pay-per-month-of-access subscription model, so it just wasn't worth it to stay with it, even though it worked quite well. It's free again, but my old login doesn't work, and I've not bothered to get a new one, now that I use OpenOffice for a larger and larger portion of my work.

Like Berkeley Softworks' GEOS (which was a very usable, if necessarily basic Mac-like GUI OS and App suite for the Commodore 64 - something that should impress Pupsters!) , ThinkFree is one of those righteous hacks that inspires simply because it does what was previously believed to be impossible. ThinkFree is Java-based, with all the good and bad attendant with that, but without the slowness usually associated with Java apps of any non-trivial size. I used ThinkFree office many years ago on 150-300 MHz win 95/98 boxes and it ran surprisingly well - not as fast as MS Office, but not slow, either, and it was definitely usable for all documents short of serious power-user complexity.

AFAIK, ThinkFree was the first truly cross-platform office suite that had usable support for reading and writing MS Office files, even if somewhat limited.

Rhino · Posted: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 22:32 Post subject:

Java works great on my laptop that I'm using to remaster the CD. However, getting Java to work properly on a remastered CD has proven to be frustrating. I have tried both remaster scripts with no luck yet. I can get the Java plugin to work fine with SeaMonkey, but to get Java apps to run or to get it to work with OpenOffice seems kinda tough. I'm sure there is something I am missing here. Dougal's remaster script worked well, but still didn't get Java going as had been reported previously. I copied the /root/jre1.5.0_06 folder and contents to the remastered CD along with the hidden .java folder in /root. Any ideas? If anyone knows how to get Java working on a remastered Live CD , please let me know.

On a related note, I had considered just adding the Java installer with a desktop link so one could easily install Java if you wanted it, therefore keeping the iso quite a bit smaller. However, I tend to think Java should just work right out of the box.

GuestToo · Puppy Master Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 4078

you may need to add lines like these to /etc/profile or /etc/profile.local, if you haven't already:

export JAVA_HOME=/root/jre1.5.0_06
export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME

so you can run java apps by typing:

java -jar a_java_app.jar

Dougal · Posted: Wed 04 Oct 2006, 10:00 Post subject: Re: Preserving Java

Lobster · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 10:12 Post subject:

The correct numbering is 2.10 (even though this is unconventional)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy210Professional

Project leader is Rhino (who has adapted this page)
Will there be a 2.02 and 2.10?

Would this be a suitable online presentation facility?
http://slideshare.net/login

Puppy Pro is already a 'Community Edition'
would you like me to design a logo?
(I have Xara again)

What name?

Puppy Pro
Puppy XP
Puppy Professional CE

?

How goes it?

Rhino · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 13:23 Post subject:

I am uploading the iso for the beta release to MU right now along with the md5 checksum, so hopefully we can check it out soon and fix things like the name
Embarassed

if necessary.

I have learned quite a bit through this process, but I have also nearly reached the extent of my current linux abilities. I'm VERY INTERESTED in what people want this version to have included, and I've tried to include as much as possible and keep to a reasonably small size (222Mb currently).

I did not make it look "exactly" like XP, Gliezl already did a magnificent job with her Professional version which is very nice. I just tidied up JWM quite a bit and tried to make the icons a little more uniform between different applications, such as MU's wallpaper changer, the puppy package downloader, the Seamonkey theme, turma, and most importantly ROX have similar icons now to give a little more organized look to the whole OS.

The other task that I could not figure out was the inclusion of a fully functioning JRE in the remastered live cd. I could get the bowser plugin just fine, but not the JRE. If anyone wants to (I'm begging) take the iso and try to figure it out for the final version and let me know what to do I would be very grateful. My fix was to include the Java installer (17 Mb) so that Java can be installed, or at the very least the browser plugin.

As far as the name goes, it doesn't really matter to me. I have called it Puppy 2.10 Professional so far, but I will add the CE part to it for the final version. Puppy Pro CE might distinguish it a little bit better from Gliezl'a version though.

Hopefully, this version will have much discussion and input about the necessary fixes before we release a 2nd beta or the final version.

I will post the links to the iso very soon!

Thanks!

Lobster · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 15:16 Post subject:

Look forward to it

here is an image using Xara and kept simple

requested wiki page in private message deleted (have to be admin to delete page)

have used the full name but without CE (too much IMO)

Smile

richard.a · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 18:45 Post subject:

Rhino · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:17 Post subject:

Richard.a,

Unfortunately, I have removed Xfce4 for the time being since I was attempting to get Java in the iso as well. I really like Xfce4, however I did have some compatibility issues that I was concerned about. If there is enough interest I can add it back in as an alternative to JWM.

Rhino · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:32 Post subject:

Puppy 2.10 Professional-beta

The beta version of Puppy Professional has been upgraded from Puppy 2.02 to Puppy 2.10!

Features:
OpenOffice.org 2.0
GimpShop 2.2.1.0
Rutilt and WAG for wireless connectivity
Grip CD player and ripper
Scribus
HTML3 Browser
New themes for SeaMonkey browser, mail and news
Customized JWM menu and tray icons, buttons, colors
Modified several Puppy applications to have the same icon theme
SnowIsh-KDE icon theme
Several new games.
Skype
DVD Video toolkit
Cups printing setup
Java installer
Over 20 wallpapers to choose from
New image for Xorg test setup
All new mime-type icons

I'm sure I have left off some things, but it is a visually pleasing and very user-friendly Puppy for certain! We are getting close to the goal of having a simple, clean, Professional desktop in 256Mb.

I will post the links to the iso and checksum as soon as possible.

Please keep the suggestions coming in!

Thanks!
Rhino

Rhino · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:41 Post subject:

Lobster,

Thanks for the logos, they look fantastic! I will include them on some of the Puppy wallpapers as I get to work on that.

Since the logo is "Puppy 2.10 Professional" should we call it that or should it be "Professional Pup 2.10" or something else?

Thanks for your guidance.

richard.a · Posted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 22:00 Post subject:

My suggestion would be "PuppyProfessional" or "Puppy Professional" leaving out the numbers for simplicity (KISS principle).

You might want to put the version below in much small font, if you were concerned about confusion.

Look at it from the perspective of someone fresh to the project and faced with a huge choice...

And just a point, at the wiki page, there seems to be no link to where there is a download. Think that should be fixed pronto as I would like to download it Very Happy

Springer · Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 52 Location: Austin, TX