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The Major

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 03:58    Post subject: Java on remastered iso  

I'd be interested in understanding how you preserve Java after a remaster. I had created my own version of Puppy that I use on a daily basis, which is a form of Puppy Professional (basically to be a quick recovery disk), and although the java folder structure was preserved - I placed it below root - I still had to download Java again to make evrything work.

This is a minor irritation, but I'd like to learn how to do it properly.
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jam


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 10:22    Post subject: Preserving Java  

The Major,

If you remaster using Dougal's new remaster script it should preserve your Java install. My remaster contains the latest Java 1.5.0_08 release. You can get the latest remaster script below. It only seems to work soothly with Puppy 2.10

Remaster Script Thread:

http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=10922&highlight=remaster

There are some customized settings related to my distro, such as browser and desktop settings which it did not preserve, so I wrote a short script to copy them to /root during the remaster process.

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Springer


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 17:58    Post subject:  

[quote="Lobster"]I believe this commercial project evolved from Hancom Office
http://product.thinkfree.com/purchase/pc_tfo.html

anyone try them?

Not in a long time, but ThinkFree predates HancomOffice by many years. ThinkFree was the *original* online office suite, and has been around for the better part of a decade now (I'm pretty sure I was using it in 1997-2000), although both the product and the company have changed more than a little since then. I quit using it when my needs for collaboration lessened, and ThinkFree tried to go to a pay-per-month-of-access subscription model, so it just wasn't worth it to stay with it, even though it worked quite well. It's free again, but my old login doesn't work, and I've not bothered to get a new one, now that I use OpenOffice for a larger and larger portion of my work.

Like Berkeley Softworks' GEOS (which was a very usable, if necessarily basic Mac-like GUI OS and App suite for the Commodore 64 - something that should impress Pupsters!) , ThinkFree is one of those righteous hacks that inspires simply because it does what was previously believed to be impossible. ThinkFree is Java-based, with all the good and bad attendant with that, but without the slowness usually associated with Java apps of any non-trivial size. I used ThinkFree office many years ago on 150-300 MHz win 95/98 boxes and it ran surprisingly well - not as fast as MS Office, but not slow, either, and it was definitely usable for all documents short of serious power-user complexity.

AFAIK, ThinkFree was the first truly cross-platform office suite that had usable support for reading and writing MS Office files, even if somewhat limited.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 22:32    Post subject:  

Java works great on my laptop that I'm using to remaster the CD. However, getting Java to work properly on a remastered CD has proven to be frustrating. I have tried both remaster scripts with no luck yet. I can get the Java plugin to work fine with SeaMonkey, but to get Java apps to run or to get it to work with OpenOffice seems kinda tough. I'm sure there is something I am missing here. Dougal's remaster script worked well, but still didn't get Java going as had been reported previously. I copied the /root/jre1.5.0_06 folder and contents to the remastered CD along with the hidden .java folder in /root. Any ideas? If anyone knows how to get Java working on a remastered Live CD , please let me know.

On a related note, I had considered just adding the Java installer with a desktop link so one could easily install Java if you wanted it, therefore keeping the iso quite a bit smaller. However, I tend to think Java should just work right out of the box.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Oct 2006, 23:37    Post subject:  

you may need to add lines like these to /etc/profile or /etc/profile.local, if you haven't already:

export JAVA_HOME=/root/jre1.5.0_06
export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME

so you can run java apps by typing:

java -jar a_java_app.jar
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Oct 2006, 10:00    Post subject: Re: Preserving Java  

jam wrote:
There are some customized settings related to my distro, such as browser and desktop settings which it did not preserve, so I wrote a short script to copy them to /root during the remaster process.


And why have you not posted them on the remaster-script thread?? Confused

I discovered the /root/.jwm directory, added that... I want to make a proper (not testing) post with an updated version soon.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 10:12    Post subject:  

The correct numbering is 2.10 (even though this is unconventional)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy210Professional

Project leader is Rhino (who has adapted this page)
Will there be a 2.02 and 2.10?

Would this be a suitable online presentation facility?
http://slideshare.net/login

Puppy Pro is already a 'Community Edition'
would you like me to design a logo?
(I have Xara again)

What name?

Puppy Pro
Puppy XP
Puppy Professional CE

?

How goes it?

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 13:23    Post subject:  

I am uploading the iso for the beta release to MU right now along with the md5 checksum, so hopefully we can check it out soon and fix things like the name
Embarassed if necessary.

I have learned quite a bit through this process, but I have also nearly reached the extent of my current linux abilities. I'm VERY INTERESTED in what people want this version to have included, and I've tried to include as much as possible and keep to a reasonably small size (222Mb currently).

I did not make it look "exactly" like XP, Gliezl already did a magnificent job with her Professional version which is very nice. I just tidied up JWM quite a bit and tried to make the icons a little more uniform between different applications, such as MU's wallpaper changer, the puppy package downloader, the Seamonkey theme, turma, and most importantly ROX have similar icons now to give a little more organized look to the whole OS.

The other task that I could not figure out was the inclusion of a fully functioning JRE in the remastered live cd. I could get the bowser plugin just fine, but not the JRE. If anyone wants to (I'm begging) take the iso and try to figure it out for the final version and let me know what to do I would be very grateful. My fix was to include the Java installer (17 Mb) so that Java can be installed, or at the very least the browser plugin.

As far as the name goes, it doesn't really matter to me. I have called it Puppy 2.10 Professional so far, but I will add the CE part to it for the final version. Puppy Pro CE might distinguish it a little bit better from Gliezl'a version though.

Hopefully, this version will have much discussion and input about the necessary fixes before we release a 2nd beta or the final version.

I will post the links to the iso very soon!

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 15:16    Post subject:  

Look forward to it

here is an image using Xara and kept simple


requested wiki page in private message deleted (have to be admin to delete page)

have used the full name but without CE (too much IMO)

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richard.a


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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 18:45    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Project leader is Rhino (who has adapted this page)
Will there be a 2.20 and 2.10??

I would suggest that the reason that 2.02 should be used in that specific product is because it is based on 2.02 of the PuppyLinux distribution, because this is to me the logical way with version numbering.

Should his next major recompile and ISO burn go to 2.10, then should not this distribution be called 2.10ce as well? This retains the important information of which version it is based on, as well as minimising the risk of butchering the files inside the pupsave file with an upgrade?

Just my thoughts, having worked (many years ago) on R&D of ground-to-air weaponry Smile

But I've been mistaken in the past too, lol.

Been playing with the XOrg video configuration on one of my intel-powered mobos in Aptiva cases, the 810 chipset. I can now get 1600x1200 quite comfortably, thanks for whoever gave me the tip about using it to replace the XVesa poor res up till now in those.

Also I got Xfce working nicely in XOrg, although both window managers needed resolution reduced to 1200xwhatver because the text under the icons is still too small.

Question - how do you resize the desktop/pinboard icon text? Seems unaffected by global text size it seems, also right click on the icons doesn't give the answer?

Rhino wrote:
hope to be rolling our a new PuppyPro based on 2.10 this weekend. I dropped XFCE and just included JWM at this point, but I did quite a bit of menu customization and simplification as mentioned in previous posts. Very Happy

How's the 2.10 version going? any chance to try it yet?

Please don't drop the Xfce choice... it is a very ergonomic alternative for those who might like it. If I may suggest, keep the default to JWM for the benefit of those who would feel "at home" with it Smile


Here are some more, doing a comparison... and full sized ones can be seen in the directory listing if you backspace in the url bar to see it Smile

xfce_menu640.jpg
jwm_desktop640.jpg
wm_menu640.jpg
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My goal is to keep it under 256MB so it can fit on a USB key (although that may prove to be quite slow) ...testing will be required.

Excellent idea, although I've been battling with an USB pendrive and following all the links I have to work out why/whynot.

Slightly off topic...I have three, actually. a 64Mb one with the contents of my personally burned Windows boot disk and the windows tools like partition magic, ghost, etc. That's the only one of the three that appears bootable. I also have a 256Mb one and a 1Gb one. All will read and write, but none will boot in BIOS except the 64Mb one!! Wierd. Anyone got any ideas?

This is a great vision Rhino, Lobster, and others. Thankyou for your hard work, guys, and Lobster I love your very stylised text above Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:17    Post subject:  

Richard.a,

Unfortunately, I have removed Xfce4 for the time being since I was attempting to get Java in the iso as well. I really like Xfce4, however I did have some compatibility issues that I was concerned about. If there is enough interest I can add it back in as an alternative to JWM.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:32    Post subject:  

Puppy 2.10 Professional-beta

The beta version of Puppy Professional has been upgraded from Puppy 2.02 to Puppy 2.10!

Features:
OpenOffice.org 2.0
GimpShop 2.2.1.0
Rutilt and WAG for wireless connectivity
Grip CD player and ripper
Scribus
HTML3 Browser
New themes for SeaMonkey browser, mail and news
Customized JWM menu and tray icons, buttons, colors
Modified several Puppy applications to have the same icon theme
SnowIsh-KDE icon theme
Several new games.
Skype
DVD Video toolkit
Cups printing setup
Java installer
Over 20 wallpapers to choose from
New image for Xorg test setup
All new mime-type icons

I'm sure I have left off some things, but it is a visually pleasing and very user-friendly Puppy for certain! We are getting close to the goal of having a simple, clean, Professional desktop in 256Mb.

I will post the links to the iso and checksum as soon as possible.

Please keep the suggestions coming in!

Thanks!
Rhino

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:41    Post subject:  

Lobster,

Thanks for the logos, they look fantastic! I will include them on some of the Puppy wallpapers as I get to work on that.

Since the logo is "Puppy 2.10 Professional" should we call it that or should it be "Professional Pup 2.10" or something else?

Thanks for your guidance.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 22:00    Post subject:  

My suggestion would be "PuppyProfessional" or "Puppy Professional" leaving out the numbers for simplicity (KISS principle).

You might want to put the version below in much small font, if you were concerned about confusion.

Look at it from the perspective of someone fresh to the project and faced with a huge choice...


And just a point, at the wiki page, there seems to be no link to where there is a download. Think that should be fixed pronto as I would like to download it Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Oct 2006, 22:47    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
versions (updates welcome)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/VersionsPuppy

official versions
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/DownloadLatest

PuppyPro
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyXP


Thanks for this, Lobster - how about putting these links (or at least links to them) on the puppylinux.org home page? (For instance, from the home page, I'd never know there *was* a CE for 2.x, and there should probably be a brief one-sentence explanation of the difference in the Puppy 1 and 2 flavors and the goals of specific large projects like PuppyPro/XP.

It's great to know this info, but there will be a lot more people trying Puppy if there is (ideally) one central place that people can go to find out what Puppy derivatives are available. The main PuppyOS site (puppylinux.COM) would be best, but if that's not appropriate for "non-official" Puppy-based distros, then it seems like puppylinux.ORG is the right place.

Thanks again for the info.
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