Quirky Xerus 8.6 (Aug. 16), Beaver 8.7.1 (Sept. 21), 2018

[belham2]

Here's a shot of what's in "lib/systemd", if it helps:

are you joking ? I know how to use rox. The problem is that puppy doesn't use "systemd". Please don't post such answers when I report bugs.

Linuxcbon,

Sorry at my attempted humor. That's why I put the "confused" emoji at the end....like, what is this folder doing here, let alone having anything in it.

I wish there were better emoji(s) on these boards instead of the 20 we have. We need one that has a scratching-headlooking-like-what-in-heck-is-going-on emoji,a mong many others (not to mention replacing the ones we have).

[belham2]

Well D-A-M-N!

I just lost my retrovol, storage, bluetooth etc out of the jwm-tray again. Look at my previous pic---it was all there and everything was kosher. Then, I edited the time in "jwm-tray (in ~) and "POOF", they were gone again.

Argh, back to tracking this down now....going to see if a re-boot brings them back. If it does, my search for the problem narrows considerably.


[edit: spelling corrections]

[Kafshiel]

Creating an USB Live of Puppy Xerus 8.1.6 amd64 using Unetbootin, from Linux or Windows,
and using Rufus or other tool from Windows might fail.
So here's the process of how to do this from a Linux terminal.
If you don't have a permanent Linux installation on your computer (why not?),
rest asured that you can do this from your Puppy Live USB or CD/DVD.
So just open a Terminal, preferably on the folder where the Xerus 8.1.6 amd64 is, (Open Terminal here) or if you know how to
use a Linux Terminal, from /home just cd to the directory where Xerus 8.1.6 amd64 is.
It could be the download folder, that's for you to figure out!
This bug was solved by using the "dd" method to get the ISO onto an 8 GB USB pen drive.
So, from Xubuntu 16.04.1 terminal, I did:
Sudo is only needed if your Terminal ends with an "$" sign, if it ends
with an "#" sign you're already root, no need for sudo.
Code:

sudo dd if=xerus-8.1.6-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M && sync

Notice that my USB drive is /dev/sdb because I disconnected all other USB drives,
like external HDD's and other pen drives. I won't go into the identification of your drives here, it's too much talk.
If you disconnect all other USB external storage drives your Puppy pen drive should now be sdb.
And NOT sdb1 or sdb2! That will ruin the "dd" command. So just /dev/sdb ok?
If your drive is not formatted "dd" will take care of that but, anyway, in rare cases,
the drive won't have a proper partition table. So you either use Gparted from your older
Puppy and format it as FAT32 or just reset your USB drive like this:
Code:

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=4096

After the first command is completed you can boot the PC and all works like a charm.
I never wanted to do a frugal install, I like to have my Puppies in pen drives,
so I can take them with me everywhere.
They're true Linux army knives and helped me save countless installations from my friends,
specially using Gparted to manage partitions, Grub4DOS to rescue many boots
and the File Manager to backup data between drives.
I must say that Puppy Xerus is absolutely gorgeous, out of the box,
I just installed the PET cursors-1.1 package because I prefer the Obsidian cursors.
So the bug is solved, now you can all enjoy a Live USB of Puppy Xerus 8.1.6!
My best regards to you all, enjoy and use your new Puppy and have a great day.

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[ETP]

Bug report:

An intermittent issue present in this version and also in previous versions is a hang
at boot time with the message "Recognising media devices.....optical". Only a hard reboot
fixes the issue which I would say occurs about 5 to 10% of the time.

The text comes from the block of code starting at line 566 in rc.sysinit and my gut feeling
is that it is some kind of timing issue.

[TeX Dog]

Here's a shot of what's in "lib/systemd", if it helps:

are you joking ? I know how to use rox. The problem is that puppy doesn't use "systemd". Please don't post such answers when I report bugs.

Linuxcbon,

Sorry at my attempted humor. That's why I put the "confused" emoji at the end....like, what is this folder doing here, let alone having anything in it.

I wish there were better emoji(s) on these boards instead of the 20 we have. We need one that has a scratching-headlooking-like-what-in-heck-is-going-on emoji,a mong many others (not to mention replacing the ones we have).

scary humor... You lost your Puppylinux street cred. til I read it was to be a joke..

[ETP]

Certainly an issue but maybe a bug:

The set volume level is not preserved across reboots but always defaults to zero.
The config files seem to imply that it can be set but the mechanism to do so is
not working. Manually editing them also has no effect.

The included version of PNMixer (0.5.1) appears to date from 2011/12 and there have
been multiple releases since then. The latest version (0.7) was released on 18th Sept 2016.
Perhaps that has addressed this issue.

https://github.com/nicklan/pnmixer/releases

https://github.com/nicklan/pnmixer/wiki

EDIT 20th January 2017:
I note that pnmixer-0.6.1-1 is available in QPM

[slavvo67]

BarryK:

I see you have the new Seamonkey. Can I bother you for your magic script to compile?

Thanks in advance,

Slavvo67

[BarryK]

BarryK:

I see you have the new Seamonkey. Can I bother you for your magic script to compile?

Thanks in advance,

Slavvo67

I haven't compiled it yet, just used the official binary.

If you do a search for "linuxfromscratch seamonkey", there are instructions, for version 2.46.

[belham2]

Hi Barry (or anyone else),

[Posted this also in the 8.1.6 Slaq thread...can't figure this weirdness out]

Not sure if anyone else is seeing this, but the included "remasterpup2' script is failing in all Quirkies (not just Slaq, but also Xenials---it's happened on 2 Xenial 8.0/8.1.6 installs and on 1 Slaq 8.1.6 install). The remasterpup2 script cannot even start as it pops up the weird message as shown here:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 127#943127


It's weird because the installs are from different downloaded ISOs, all checksum verified. The date and system info is all correct & updated in my systems, so why is the reasterpup2 script doing this on all Quirky installs?? Does Barry prohibit running remasters from 'frugal' installs (which all the above are)??

Thanks for help/tips/feedback

[jd7654]

PLEASE NOTE: for many of the above problems being described above, try this fix to see if it resolves them. I've had some resolved since implementing this fix.

hwclock --hctosys --localtime #160427 from util-linux. assuming hw clock set to local

if grep -qw aufs /proc/filesystems; then
LAYERFS='aufs'
RO='=ro'
else
LAYERFS='overlay'
RO=''
fi

(put a "#" in front of each and every one of these lines, so the init script will ignore them).

I also recently tried Quirky 8.1.6, frugal install next to existing 8.0 frugal, and noticed the failure to load saves. In my case, it is needed to pull in save for my b43 WiFi which requires firmware before it works. All was working fine in 8.0.

Tried your temporary workaround for 8.1.6, and it did appear to load the s.sfs save file which brought in wifi firmware and other configs. But it also boots only to command prompt, requiring a xwin/startx to load the desktop.

Also, the errors in init stage introduced in 8.1.6 live/frugal compared to 8.0 are still there:

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Making the filesystem usable...mv: cannot move '/var' to a subdirectory of itsel
f, '/root/.var'
rm: cannot remove '/var/local/lib': Directory not empty
rm: cannot remove '/var/local/pupdial': Directory not empty

And not sure what other implications are of leaving those variables uninitialized. Missing panel icons, etc. Tried messing around with some other changes but got either no saves or kernel panics.

[jd7654]

In your blog you asked for feedback on the "best" and hopefully small, video player for inclusion in the next minor-point release.

Without hesitation or reservation I would suggest mpv-0.1.4.0

+1 for MPV

I usually use VLC on full/large Linux distros. But on tiny/light Linux I always install MPV. Plays everything, is updated,(successor to Mplayer2) and most importantly, is very tiny. Installed and running fine here on Quirky Xerus 8.1.6 frugal.

Only thing is it lacks a fancy gui. But the current version has at least minimal on screen control/display.

My only beef with Xine is is that it doesn't want to display embedded subtitles in MP4 files, which is most of what I have. VLC and MPV both do.

[scsijon]

New partition and full install for 8.1.6. Time to update my racy551 (extended)

Thought i'd have a 'look around' before I start tweeking.

I,

- I can't run a .mp3, ok no xine, not a biggie
UPDATE: installed xine but can't find a "libcrystalhd3", anywhere in the repro's or by a search with ppm, the rest installed and works ok so maybe not now needed. UPDATE2 - No, it's needed for some AV dvd's and cd's, i'll have to hunt further.

- I had a look in /tmp/xerrs.log, and on the last line found the words "missing dependancy" (no quotes), no other info to help anyone either

- I need sdl2 for the latest version of a currently maintained RPG Engine i'm working with (i got bored and it's good and easy to code for), sdl1/libsdl1.2 ok, not sdl2 for the latest version, I have source so installed my favorite src2pkg, junk output on build so somethings wrong with something set relative to src2pkg, i'll follow this up with it's creator. UPDATE built and installed ok (i think) doing it the old fashion way (./configure,make,make install) just not src2pkg in the meantime

- I tried using PPM to d/l some packages and found they went to /root, ?how do I reset this please, as i expected at least /root/Downloads as before if not /file/Downloads

- there's a few others that were in my old puppy's and aren't just there anymore, something to sort and chase for me.

-UPDATE HMM.. problems with qt4 for tradietrakka, blast I need that for my business side, something to do with paths, something to work through, wonder if tuxta is still around

-UPDATE - found doing a cd <return> in a console moved me to /root, thought it would move me back to /file

-UPDATE2 - there is (at least) a missing build .h file called stubs-32.h in /usr/include/x86-64-linux-gnu/gnu, it's listed in stubs.h in the same directory, tried linking the stubs-64.h but that doesn't work, just errors the build out with other errors. I've a number of packages to build with x86_64 defined in their .config setting file but don't also mention LP64. A problem I think.

UPDATE3 - there is a link missing between /include/x86_64-linux-gnu/python2.7 to /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu (or maybe the python2.7 directory is in the wrong place.

Looks like i'll have to await 8.1.7 before building with this one.

regards to all

[srirakesh]

Hi linuxcbon

Quirky Xerus 8.1.6 for x86_64

- what is /lib/systemd/ for ?

- for rox , /root/Choices/ shoud be /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net

- some useless folders :
/usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu -- empty
/usr/etc/ -- empty
/usr/games/ -- empty
/usr/local/share/ -- empty
/usr/lib/modules/ -- empty

the are not useless dirs but these directories are default dir for unix and linux historically /usr dir was meant for central storage of all user related commands so similarily all dirs under it has functionality as per their names.

Its true that people are of different opinions regarding "systemd" of using it or having a system with or without it, there is long debate going on and as you are aware that systemd is a suite of basic building blocks, so again historically the dir is still there.

Hope that I am able to clear your doubts as stated by you IMHO...

[srirakesh]

Hi,

I'm not able to run Xerus 8.1.6 for x86_64 from notebook ah532 using a flash stick made using 8gb image of it and it stucks at

Making file system usable....

I've disabled Secure Boot and also Fast Boot mode in UEFI BIOS setting still not able to boot it, I've tried Manjaro TuxnVape LXDE FINALE 02202017 latest release and it boots perfectly fine.

Somebody help me how to go about it and fi the issue.

Thanks in advance

[BarryK]

Hi guys,
After getting back from my holiday in India, I released Easy Linux 0.2 pre-alpha. This is built with exactly the same packages as Quirky 8.1.6, so many of the same issues apply.

I have been posting about some fixes in the Easy thread, that equally apply in this thread. For example, fixing galculator and vlc.

Easy thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109958

Regarding stray systemd files, these do no harm, and in some cases will satisfy an operation requirement of an application, even though systemd is not used.

[BarryK]

Bug report:

An intermittent issue present in this version and also in previous versions is a hang
at boot time with the message "Recognising media devices.....optical". Only a hard reboot
fixes the issue which I would say occurs about 5 to 10% of the time.

The text comes from the block of code starting at line 566 in rc.sysinit and my gut feeling
is that it is some kind of timing issue.

Yes, I have also had this problem. It has been going on for years, overdue to do something about it!

Looking at the code in rc.sysinit, there is only one line that could possibly hang:

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[ "$DVDTYPE" ] && hdparm -d1 /dev/$DVDTYPE >/dev/null 2>&1

So, have commented it out.

[BarryK]

Certainly an issue but maybe a bug:

The set volume level is not preserved across reboots but always defaults to zero.
The config files seem to imply that it can be set but the mechanism to do so is
not working. Manually editing them also has no effect.

The included version of PNMixer (0.5.1) appears to date from 2011/12 and there have
been multiple releases since then. The latest version (0.7) was released on 18th Sept 2016.
Perhaps that has addressed this issue.

https://github.com/nicklan/pnmixer/releases

https://github.com/nicklan/pnmixer/wiki

EDIT 20th January 2017:
I note that pnmixer-0.6.1-1 is available in QPM

Have gone back to pizzasgood's retrovol.

[BarryK]

Also, the errors in init stage introduced in 8.1.6 live/frugal compared to 8.0 are still there:

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Making the filesystem usable...mv: cannot move '/var' to a subdirectory of itsel
f, '/root/.var'
rm: cannot remove '/var/local/lib': Directory not empty
rm: cannot remove '/var/local/pupdial': Directory not empty

I plan to do some testing of the frugal install, I have neglected it.

Anyway, that failed "mv" is fixed.

[BarryK]

The Galculator scientific calculator does not work. xerrs.log shows:
galculator: error while loading shared libraries: libquadmath.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Add up: Galculator works well in the Quirky SlaQ 8.1.6 x86_64 release; works fine in Xerus 8.0 final too. Used the .ISO for testing.

Fixed.

[BarryK]

Menu -> Desktop -> UrxvtSet setup terminal emulator does not work. xerrs.log:

Current Urxvt terminal settings
#000000000000
#f8f8f8f8f8f8
#ffff00000000
80x25
14
Nimbus Mono L:Regular
Off
85
Off
/usr/sbin/urxvtset: line 99: yad: command not found

Add up: Urxvt Setup - v0.5.1 works fine in Quirky Werewolf64-7.4; works fine in Xerus 8.0 final too. Used the .ISO for testing.

Yes, yad is missing from Quirky 8.1.6.
I left it out because the Ubuntu yad DEB is for gtk+3, and when I tried to compile it, got a compile fail.

Today I downloaded the latest, 0.39, and it compiled ok, so that is going into the next build.