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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2017, 19:35    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Bodhi Linux as a Dog Version .....Bodhi Linux goes the Dog ?
This is something i am dreaming about .

As i said ..... i am only dreaming Smile


Hi backi,

You tempted me Smile

Here's BodhiDog-32bit-TEST.iso Size: 490MB
Not completely sure if it's any good, e.g. ethernet works? wireless works?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7tkmko04m0jp62j/BodhiDog-32bit-TEST.iso
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/tr3q3aln27e3uoa/BodhiDog-32bit-TEST.md5

Just for testing, experimental, never done a "dog" this way, but interesting for me to do such a thing ( before I always worked from scratch (minimal install) and build upon it, now hacked Smile from a full install of bodhi linux)
Just a few changes made:
- changed kernel from 4.8 to 4.4 (4.8 doesn't work well with my hardware)
- removed: linux-headers, grub-pc and some more to save some space
- added some (not much) 'dog' applications, e.g. quick-remaster, apt2sfs, sfsload , more can be installed from Xenialdog repository which is activated.
Locale files are still inside, man and doc files are 'zerosized' (files made 0 bytes, to decrease space) (remastering did that)

Maybe, if you like, make your ultra-cool Smile enlightenment setup and share new remastered iso with us.

Btw, maybe the better way for a bodhi desktop in XenialDog is to add the bodhi repo to /etc/apt/sources.list and install/work from there, add this line:
Code:
deb [trusted=1] http://packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi xenial b4main


Have Fun!

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Feb 2017, 04:47    Post subject:  

Hi fred !

.

Quote:
Btw, maybe the better way for a bodhi desktop in XenialDog is to add the bodhi repo to /etc/apt/sources.list and install/work from there, add this line:
Code:
deb [trusted=1] http://packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi xenial b4main

Fine i will do a test ......a bit later .
Some type of telepathy/synchronicity.
This is exactly what i did yesterday .....added-

deb http://packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi xenial b4main ---
-to the /etc/apt/sources.list
upated and installed via synaptic " bodhi-desktop" (and a module named "places-moksha" for showing Drive Icons as in Jwm or Openbox).
.
You have to replace in (hidden ) File .xsession-jwm and .xsession-openbox ....both exec coomands with appropriate enlightenment_start command .
Save reboot you will probably boot into Moksha Desktop .

It is almost the same as Bodhi Linux ....just slimmer -----plus all those extra Goodies from Xenial Dog without having to install them all .

There are some minor trimming-adjusting nessessary because of Jwm and Openbox....but it is trivial.

I am running a bit out of Time ....will comment further soon.....there are some arguments why to prefer E17 over Moksha .....in my experience.

So it seems better to use Xenial Dog as a base .......install e17 directly via Synaptic or bodhi-desktop via Synaptic ( by adding:
deb http://packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi xenial b4main to the /etc/apt/sources.list )

http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/13675-bodhi-400-repositories-now-live/
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Feb 2017, 15:10    Post subject:  

Bodhi! I don't mind if I do!

Does anyone else dream about a Fedora Dog?
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backi

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Feb 2017, 08:51    Post subject:  

Hi fred !

You did the Proof .......it can be done !

Did frugal install your " hacked " " Bodhi Linux " " doggiefied " to an Usb Stick .

Post from it now .

Menu.lst :

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.7
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 10
default 0
title BODHIXENIAL - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/BODHIXENIAL/changes folder
find --set-root /BODHIXENIAL/casper/vmlinuz
kernel /BODHIXENIAL/casper/vmlinuz from=/BODHIXENIAL noauto changes=EXIT:/BODHIXENIAL/casper/ ramsize=100%
initrd /BODHIXENIAL/casper/initrd1.xz

title BODHIXENIAL- porteus-boot Always Fresh
find --set-root /BODHIXENIAL/casper/vmlinuz
kernel /BODHIXENIAL/casper/vmlinuz from=/BODHIXENIAL nomagic base_only norootcopy
initrd /BODHIXENIAL/casper/initrd1.xz

Wireless worked O.K.
Did set my Timezone with " dpkg-reconfigure tzdata " in Terminal .

Had a bit fiddling to set up my Keyboard Settings ........
After installing German Language Pack ..... I managed to do it . ...
(Went to Menu>Settings>Modules (to click/activate Keyboard......then left click on shelf (left click where the clock is ) Shelf menu>Contents>activate Keyboard (add Gadged ) choosed German.
Not much testing til now .......but seems working O.K so far .

But as mentioned before ,it is much easier to install E17 desktop or Moksha (bodhi-desktop ) to a Xenial or Debian Dog then the other way.
I would suggest to install E17 to Debian or Xenial Dog ( anyway in the Repos )instead of bodhi-desktop .There are some minor advantages E17 over Moksha .

Have not so much time.....will keep your Bodhi Dog to play again with it later .

Thanks for all you have done for the Community ,,,,,,,appreciate your hard and solid work .......blessings man Smile Smile Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Feb 2017, 13:31    Post subject:  

backi wrote:

.....
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But as mentioned before ,it is much easier to install E17 desktop or Moksha (bodhi-desktop ) to a Xenial or Debian Dog then the other way.
I would suggest to install E17 to Debian or Xenial Dog ( anyway in the Repos )instead of bodhi-desktop .There are some minor advantages E17 over Moksha .

Have not so much time.....will keep your Bodhi Dog to play again with it later .

Thanks for all you have done for the Community ,,,,,,,appreciate your hard and solid work .......blessings man Smile Smile Smile


Thanks backi Smile

I've installed bodhi desktop on XenialDog and tried to make it similar e.g. same theme, places-plugin etc, got it working well and found that it runs smoother that way than Bodhi-Linux itself.
A while back we had discussion about E17 and I think there was problem with crashing sometimes, was it because of the E17-filemanager maybe? can't remember.
Btw,what are exactly the minor advantages of E17 over Moksha?

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Mar 2017, 01:41    Post subject: Thanks  

Hi Fred and those that made this Xenial Dog,

I have installed Horus/OpenCV (3d scanning software) using Aptitude and it works perfectly. This is what I call a Ubuntu puppy. I am completely amazed the app installer and aptitude works.

Keep up the great work and congratz on this awesome puppy. I hope this is the sign of things to come, total cross pollination where everything just works.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Mar 2017, 03:28    Post subject:  

Right on Target whoguy !

That`s correct .The best Thing since sliced Bread..

Welcome on board !!!!

Welcome to the " Marrakesh Express " Laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7XIL67QSME

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Mar 2017, 03:41    Post subject:  

Hi fred !
Installed your Debian Dog with Trinity Desktop to Usb Stick ......works fine ....as far as i can see....still testing .....

Regarding E17----Moksha--- and so on .....i have to revoke some of my statements
from above .

Just discovered the new E21 Enlightenmentment Desktop.... seems to work far better than E17 or Moksha.......just installed from E21 daily builds ppa to Xenial Dog ...... testing continues ....

Here is how to :
https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/ubuntu-start

Keep on rocking Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Mar 2017, 15:56    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Just discovered the new E21 Enlightenmentment Desktop.... seems to work far better than E17 or Moksha.......just installed from E21 daily builds ppa to Xenial Dog ...... testing continues ....

Here is how to :
https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/ubuntu-start


Above link doesn't open the page for me, but probably you mean PPA from here?
https://launchpad.net/~niko2040/+archive/ubuntu/e19

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Mar 2017, 16:37    Post subject:  

Hi fred!

This is what i did to install E20 (or E21?) :

E21 daily builds PPA:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:enlightenment-git/ppa

To install Enlightenment and Terminology:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install e20 terminology

Installed it to Xenial .

Dont know if the other repository is different .

Maybe try link again :

https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/ubuntu-start
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Mar 2017, 16:06    Post subject:  

Hi backi, thanks!

The link didn't open with firefox version 24 but it did with v45 or from Midori.
So time to upgrade firefox (v24 is too old now, but, it's a pity, space taken by v45 is almost twice as much).

Quote:
seems to work far better than E17 or Moksha


And why or what ? (you're the enlightenment expert, so I'll ask you Smile )

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Mar 2017, 16:57    Post subject:  

Hi fred !
O.K so i try to...
First let me explain what seems good (in my Opinion ) in E17.....
1.Tons of Themes ......
2.Combining of different Elements from different Themes possible (Settings>Themes>Themes Selector>advanced ) .
No longer possible with Moksha or E21 .Quite nice ...but not essentially necessary .

One thing in E17 (Menu>Enlightenment>Restart ) for quick restarting/refreshing Desktop....lacking in Moksha you must use Alt CTRL Backspace instead .....annoying for my Taste .

No Placing of Desktop Application to Folder Desktop (pinning to Desktop the Rox Style ) in Moksha .
Not necessary essential.. Can be done with Ibars or Shelfs docked with Ibars instead .
Conclusion :
I would prefer E17 over Moksha just because of this refresh Desktop Thing .

E21:
Themes from E17 no longer working .
No combining of different Elements from different Themes possible (Settings>Themes>Themes Selector>advanced ) .
Gone but not essentially necessary .Not much Themes to get in the Moment .
E21 seems a bit better structured/polished .....but can not the exactly express what ......needs further testing to find out .
E21 is under Development not longer somehow " compatible " with E17 .
These are just minor differences .....
If someone asked me for advice...better E17 than Moksha ......
E17 or E21 ?....do as you like .... both phantastico if you are willing to explore their Potential .
E17 seems no longer under Development (not quite sure ) .
E21 still continued .


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Mar 2017, 17:48    Post subject:  

Ok, thanks !

Mmm... difficult choosing, the choice of many themes for E17 (and mixing ability) is appealing to me, but on the other hand ....

Do you feel like working together in the future on a E?? Dog ? mostly under your supervision then Smile , I don't mind if it's based on Ubuntu-Xenial or Debian, just to be user friendly, configured nice looking etc...

Again, just future-music, I need to be careful not to put too much on my shoulders, so have to take things easy.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Mar 2017, 08:48    Post subject:  

Hi fred !
Quote:
Do you feel like working together in the future on a E?? Dog ? mostly under your supervision then Smile , I don't mind if it's based on Ubuntu-Xenial or Debian, just to be user friendly, configured nice looking etc...


I was thinking about the same ...

Quote:
Again, just future-music, I need to be careful not to put too much on my shoulders, so have to take things easy.


That`s correct..... one have to be careful not to overstretch .
Feel like a child playing in a Toyshop ......can`t decide which Toy to grab first .....

If .....,but only if.......I think there should be a separate thread ....Debian or Xenial Dogs under the main Topic just for Enlightenment (E17,Moksha,E19-20-21). Let`s keep it first as a loose Idea .Like a Mental Seed .
It`s the " Art to Start " .Don`t exactly know where to start.But there is no need to hurry .
To make it short ......I am interested .

Greetings fred !
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Mar 2017, 09:01    Post subject: antixdog  

hi all

we have debiandog, xenialdog,bodhidog...

why not tray now antixdog....
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