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backi

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 11:52    Post subject:  

Hi Max !
Where do you boot from ?
Harddisk ? Usb Stick ???

If this is your Boot menu.lst as you have written above you boot with:

title XenialDog - porteus-boot- changes=/changes folder
uuid 4a4ba614-1b4b-4b47-8ac8-9379899b67d4
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

Maybe try :
title XenialDog - porteus-boot- changes=/changes folder
uuid 4a4ba614-1b4b-4b47-8ac8-9379899b67d4
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=/casper
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

changes=/casper ...........adding casper instead of just changes =/ could make the difference

Run into similar problem trying to boot from Usb Stick with Save Folder :
First did:

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

Did not work .....did not find Save Folder

Then changed to :
title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/casper
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

changes=EXIT:/casper ...... adding casper instead of just changes=EXIT:/ made the Difference .
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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 12:35    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
If this is your Boot menu.lst as you have written above you boot with:

title XenialDog - porteus-boot- changes=/changes folder
uuid 4a4ba614-1b4b-4b47-8ac8-9379899b67d4
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

Maybe try :
title XenialDog - porteus-boot- changes=/changes folder
uuid 4a4ba614-1b4b-4b47-8ac8-9379899b67d4
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=/casper
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz


Yes backi, you are right, when using changes=/ , I would have expected the changes folder on the same partition as casper, but it is not, I learned something again Smile .
e.g. I boot from sda6 and when trying changes=/ the changes folder appeared on sda1
So when using changes=/ it uses the first available linux (ext2/3/4) partition it can find on the harddisk, in my case sda1

The error 22 that Max got is an error from grub, probably vmlinuz or initrd not found (on the specified partition uuid)

@Max Check if your uuid is correct, run blkid to show the UUID of your partition (that contains the casper folder).
Then modify your menu list: uuid UUID-OF-MY-PARTITION-LONG-STRING

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Max Headroom


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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 20:06    Post subject:  

Thanx RufWoof

find --set-root /menu.lst Worked! Very Happy

Backi, it is a Hard Disk Dr Frugal install, eXt4 File System, the changes folder is on the same level as /casper, ie. /, Not under casper Confused

FredX181, Yes the blkid Confirmed it was Correct, However it Still Produced the Error 22, No such Partition Error Confused , But RufWoofs Solution Above Worked...

Thanx All 4 Your Help!

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backi

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 03:25    Post subject:  

Hi fred !
I want to point to something :
I am not so skilled to express myself because English is obviously not my native Language.
Let me try to explain .....

What happened :
Made an Iso from remastered Xenial Dog with your new " Make Iso from frugal Install " works fine .

Burnt to DvD (running well ) :

Did an Install (frugal ) from Dvd (Cd) with "XENIALDOG-Frugal-Install" to empty Usb Stick ....went fine so far .

Now here is where Things come in .I want just to point to the first Item in menu.lst .

The menu.lst generated by the Installer it looks :

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.7
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 10
default 0

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - porteus-boot Always Fresh
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ nomagic base_only norootcopy
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - porteus-boot in RAM (no save)
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ copy2ram
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz



title XenialDog - porteus-boot - in RAM save on EXIT changes=/changes.dat file
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto copy2ram changes=EXIT:/changes.dat
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - changes=/changes.dat file
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=/changes.dat
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - porteus-boot in RAM - changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ copy2ram changes=/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - casper-boot no-persistent
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper ignore_uuid cdrom-detect/try-usb=true showmounts union=aufs
initrd /casper/initrd.lz

title XenialDog - casper-boot persistent (in casper-rw file or partition)
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper ignore_uuid cdrom-detect/try-usb=true showmounts union=aufs persistent
initrd /casper/initrd.lz

title Reboot computer
reboot


I wanted to boot with first menu.lst Item :

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

but could not mangage to do so (it jumped to the next: XenialDog - porteus-boot Always Fresh automatically)

I had to struggle for a while until i changed changes=EXIT:/ to changes=EXIT:/casper manually .Then everything went fine .

What i want to say is ......if a naive Newcomer does a frugal Install and try to boot with :

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

he will run into Trouble and will be confused until he add casper manually to changes=EXIT:/
( if he knows )
I think you know what i mean .

Conclusion :
Better modify/correct the Installer Script......

Regards Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 04:45    Post subject:  

How Do I Find out the Total size of an installed Package including Dependencies? Please

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 05:32    Post subject:  

Damn, Looks like I'm in 4 Another Clean install because Edubuntu Removed the Frisbee Network Tool Again! Crying or Very sad
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 05:36    Post subject:  

backi wrote:

.....
.....
What i want to say is ......if a naive Newcomer does a frugal Install and try to boot with :

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
uuid e408d0be-9536-4b40-b5a5-c117f4494026
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

he will run into Trouble and will be confused until he add casper manually to changes=EXIT:/
( if he knows )
I think you know what i mean .

Conclusion :
Better modify/correct the Installer Script......


Yes, thanks backi!! indeed "changes=/" is wrong
Modified xenialdoginstall script, changed to: 'changes=/casper/' and 'changes=EXIT:/casper/'
New version xenialdoginstallscripts 1.0.9, install from terminal:
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install xenialdoginstallscripts # will install version 1.0.9

Or use Synaptic

Added to Changes and fixes list (5.)

@Max
Quote:

How Do I Find out the Total size of an installed Package including Dependencies? Please


If you are at the point of installing it always shows how much space it's going to take, but you probably mean when it's already installed?
For the last case it's a little difficult, what I would do is:
- remove the package
- run: apt-get autoremove (this will remove the dependencies 'not required anymore')
- install the package again (and you can see what space it's going to take, including depencies)
So:
Code:
apt-get remove <package>
apt-get autoremove
apt-get install <package> # install same package, and see how much space it will take


Maybe there is an easier way I don't know of

EDIT:
Max wrote:
Damn, Looks like I'm in 4 Another Clean install because Edubuntu Removed the Frisbee Network Tool Again! Crying or Very sad


I don't understand. What has Edubuntu to do with XenialDog?

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 05:44    Post subject:  

Max Headroom wrote:
Damn, Looks like I'm in 4 Another Clean install because Edubuntu Removed the Frisbee Network Tool Again! Crying or Very sad

I tend to swap out frisbee for wicd

wicd-client -t is the command to add a tray icon if the installation doesn't already include doing that.

As part of wicd installation it automatically removes frisbee on my setup.
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 10:25    Post subject: Recover Frisbee  

Hi Max Headroom,

I also needed to acquire frisbee. zagreb999 gave this advice, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=941004#941004. If your current wifi manager works at all, you should be able to re-install frisbee via synaptic or apt-get.

Similar to rufwoof experience, that installing wicd automatically removed frisbee, my experience is that installing frisbee automatically removed wifi-box. Your experience may differ. If so, see fredx181's instructions following that post for removing one wifi manager in order to test another.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 11:29    Post subject: i confirm that intalling wicd kicks out frisbee.  

i confirm that installing wicd kicks out frisbee.
Nothing new about computing outside in sunny afternoons with a Dongle ? Solution is Puppy Linux. Unless you are able to compile drivers? not so many users, even roots will know how to do.
Just to keep an eye on this subject..
WICD is nice (pretty?), but will not improve connection, nor Frisbee

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 12:36    Post subject:  

mikeslr wrote:
my experience is that installing frisbee automatically removed wifi-box. Your experience may differ. If so, see fredx181's instructions following that post for removing one wifi manager in order to test another.


For info, to avoid possible confusion, note that frisbee is installed by default on Xenialdog 32 (small difference with 64 bit Xenialdog where wifibox is default)

@Max Headroom
In case you lost internet connection (so then can't install anything with Synaptic or apt-get) you can download from another OS frisbee deb here:
https://debiandog.github.io/xenialdog/Packages/Included/
And then install the deb in Xenialdog, like this:
dpkg -i frisbee_1.2-20160524_i386.deb

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 15:31    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:


If you are at the point of installing it always shows how much space it's going to take, but you probably mean when it's already installed?
For the last case it's a little difficult, what I would do is:
- remove the package
- run: apt-get autoremove (this will remove the dependencies 'not required anymore')
- install the package again (and you can see what space it's going to take, including depencies)
So:
Code:
apt-get remove <package>
apt-get autoremove
apt-get install <package> # install same package, and see how much space it will take


Maybe there is an easier way I don't know of

Fred


Yes I've Noticed the Package install size While Using apt-get, But I Mainly Use Synaptic, because I Often Don't know the name of a Package Embarassed K
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 21:07    Post subject:  

Max wrote:
Yes I've Noticed the Package install size While Using apt-get, But I Mainly Use Synaptic, because I Often Don't know the name of a Package


Synaptic does show the Package install size (+ dependencies), just after clicking 'Apply'

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PostPosted: Tue 16 May 2017, 10:57    Post subject: gecko-mediaplayer plugin for firefox?  

I haven't been here on the forum for a long time. Yesterday I decided to upgrade my old puppy installation for something fresh, so I installed XenialDog. It is very smooth and there was no problem to install on HD and save settings after reading wiki page. One of the things I miss is streaming media in Firefox. There is no gecko-mediaplayer plugin in Xenial repositories. I tried to install a deb from the previous Ubuntu version, but firefox does not see it. I search in the Internet for any hints... there is a plugin for vlc and totem player, but they both need other dependancies which I do not install by now...
Thank you for any tips
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PostPosted: Tue 16 May 2017, 15:57    Post subject:  

Sorry FredX181 & others I Just had another Blonde Moment ( Usually Occurs When I'm Sleep Deprived Wink )

Which ReMaster Program should I Use w/ this XenialDog ( Ubuntu )? Since I Did Notice the Warning that Quick-Remaster is 4 DebianDog...

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