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Vote: Do you use Linux EXCLUSIVELY?
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Do you use Linux EXCLUSIVELY?
Yes, I exclusively use Puppy Linux
31%
 31%  [ 24 ]
Yes, I exclusively use Puppy and other Linux(es)
18%
 18%  [ 14 ]
No, I mainly use Linux but keep Windows around
35%
 35%  [ 27 ]
No, I use Linux but also use Windows a lot
14%
 14%  [ 11 ]
Total Votes : 76

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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug 2016, 06:50    Post subject:  

anikin wrote:
I don't want anyone's views imposed on me.


this is a classic.

no one has said you have to hate windows-- the exact opposite has probably been said.

but by saying "i dont want anyones views imposed on me," then naming two people you dont agree with, youre implying that someone has tried to "impose" their pov just by HAVING ONE of their own.

in other words, if we dont stfu about our pov then we arent letting you have yours-- even if we say you can (as if its really up to us anyway, when every person here including us knows it isnt.)


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You guys, sailor and learnhow2code have overplayed your hand in this petty, overblown and totally manufactured "Windows trolls" issue.


and on what basis do you make this claim?

right, you dont make it on any basis at all. you dont say what we did to "overplay our hand," just throw out an accusation and see what sticks.

do you too really need our permission to like something other than linux, and do you really need that validation here, in THIS thread? we didnt think so.


you guys have successfully made a linux thread on a linux forum almost entirely about windows.

i honestly think they should pay you for this level of support. at least some free swag or something.
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TyroBGinner

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Aug 2016, 22:17    Post subject:  

It seems I ruffled a few feathers...or tugged on a few tails.

In fact, for a long while now, I have thought about starting a topic entitled "Windows is better than Puppy Linux", but I figured that would cause people to physically track me down and *actually* decapitate me rather than only innocuously propose such an act here in this forum.

My motivation for such a provocative title is to have a frank discussion about the merits of the various OSes. The view here is pretty one-sided, and I was hoping to give voice to other perspectives. For me, at least, Windows really does best Puppy Linux in a number of ways - a fact that is almost never expressed here. I am often surprised when people say that their old computer has "new life" when running a Linux distro. Maybe that really does happen, and my case is unusual. It would be intresting to look at several of these cases to find an explanation.

Praise for (and the positives of) Puppy Linux are all over here. I said what I said mainly because I had not seen it expressed much otherwise. I was simply challenging the extreme view that Windows is all evil and Puppy Linux is superior in every regard. Say what you want, that is the tone seen here all the time. It seems that it would mislead new users, and is just wearisome when you see it come up constantly.

What I said was critical of Linux and the culture here and elsewhere, but I did not suggest that either is bad. I was giving voice to an underrepresented view. In short, don't take this personally - it is not an attack. It would violate self-preservation. I use various Linuxes, and the unique virtues of Puppy Linux have been of huge advantage to me. Of course there is much to recommend Linux...and Windows too.


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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Aug 2016, 22:32    Post subject:  

TyroBGinner wrote:
In fact, for a long while now, I have thought about starting a topic entitled "Windows is better than Puppy Linux",

You can start one, but I don't know if you would have anything to write in it, that couldn't be proven wrong by someone later.
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TyroBGinner

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Aug 2016, 22:42    Post subject:  

It would be a pointless back-and-forth, it seems.
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Aug 2016, 22:45    Post subject:  

Exactly! Out of sight, out of mind. Laughing
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mcewanw

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Aug 2016, 23:32    Post subject:  

Burn_IT wrote:
Well i have also been a Puppy user since it was first built, but you lot are certainly turning me off the current forum users.


I have noticed that threads, or at least large personal comments, that once would only have appeared in off-topic area are recently appearing all over the forum. I suppose 'Puppy Power' area is a bit of a temptation for that kind of rubbish. But personal monologues certainly seem to have become rampant over this last year or less. I have also been thinking of pulling out of here but its difficult after being around here for many years. I don't myself use Windows any more at all, though I do keep the old original supplied on most of my machines - I do however think that Windows (especially Win7) works very well overall - pity it is such a target for hackers/viruses, but that is the penalty of being commercially so successful I believe. If I didn't have a technical education I'd most likely prefer windows nevertheless - however, I love mucking around on Linux and Windows bores me.

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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 01:20    Post subject:  

TyroBGinner wrote:
It seems I ruffled a few feathers...or tugged on a few tails.


i would really love to comment on this, but for now im going to try resist replying point for point to your other post-- id really, really like to. i think i can take 100% of the mystery out of how you might be "ruffling feathers," and why its not for the reason you might assume.

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In fact, for a long while now, I have thought about starting a topic entitled "Windows is better than Puppy Linux", but I figured that would cause people to physically track me down and *actually* decapitate me rather than only innocuously propose such an act here in this forum.


this linux community no longer does this-- it was never very popular anyway, although people were initially excited about the prospect. that was typical war-hawk naivete, the moment real blood was spilled pretty much everyone agreed it wasnt worth destroying familiies over.

in ireland at least, there are still a few people calling themselves "the REAL linux sysadmins," but everyone agrees theyre basically a bunch of far-right w*nkers. we have peace now and we PREFER it-- the "linux troubles" are over and not a moment too soon! but hopefully someday we will also agree on everything.

one of the things that really caused physical violence over the "one true operating system" to fall out of vogue was the tension in the middle east, and im sure youre not comparing fellow puppy fans to islamic extremists or anything. good, that sort of conflation might ruffle some more feathers.

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My motivation for such a provocative title is to have a frank discussion about the merits of the various OSes. The view here is pretty one-sided, and I was hoping to give voice to other perspectives.


you probably just picked the wrong subforum. i hate topic nazis myself, but this subforum was created pretty exclusively for talking about the merits of puppy and how to promote it. i do wonder what the process was for selecting this subforum over all the others for the purpose of promoting windows-- but hey its easily fixed and no real harm done.

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For me, at least, Windows really does best Puppy Linux in a number of ways - a fact that is almost never expressed here.


again its kind of unconducive to the purpose of this subforum. but it might fit in off-topic, or even misc. instead you kind of chose the worst-possible-subforum for this topic. it happens.

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I am often surprised when people say that their old computer has "new life" when running a Linux distro. Maybe that really does happen, and my case is unusual. It would be intresting to look at several of these cases to find an explanation.


yeah, ive personally rejuvenated countless machines for people that had grown tired of windows dragging their machines down, who knows what reg fixes and cleaning mightve done-- i got a windows 95 installation down to 12000k one time. its not impossible to streamline windows.

but for example, at a homeless shelter i took the computer everyone was using, offered to install the nefarious bloatware known as "debian" on it instead of windows (dualbooting was an option but that has its own complications for the user, and i wanted to keep the solution relatively simple.)

the first thing the uninitiated debian user said was not "how do i get online" or "what is this ugly piece of crap" but "its so much faster!"

they probably dreamt it. that or theyd simply swallowed too many linux commericals on tv and in print, without the usual critical thought that is given every day to advertising.

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I was simply challenging the extreme view that Windows is all evil and Puppy Linux is superior in every regard.


well of course you were. let me help you-- THEYRE WRONG.

windows is only MORE THAN HALF evil. notepad is pretty much the greatest program ever written, and its just not the same in wine.

if you want to experience notepad at its finest-- the way it was really intended by the authors, then you NEED windows for that. theres simply no other way.

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 01:30    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:
windows is only MORE THAN HALF evil. notepad is pretty much the greatest program ever written, and its just not the same in wine.

if you want to experience notepad at its finest-- the way it was really intended by the authors, then you NEED windows for that. theres simply no other way.

Which version of Notepad couldn't open files over 64K? I remember I had to use something called Write instead half the time.
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 01:40    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
Which version of Notepad couldn't open files over 64K? I remember I had to use something called Write instead half the time.


in what version of windows, 3.1? i ended up replacing notepad with some ridiculous thing called "notepad++" (pretty sure theres only a windows version) but it opened bigger files i guess. windows users themselves were pretty excited about "notepad vista," the first windows plaintext editor that came with a really cool composited theme for the title bar. but we should really move the "awesome windows feature" topic to misc or something. (imo.)
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Moose On The Loose


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Aug 2016, 12:17    Post subject: Re: Vote: Do you use Linux EXCLUSIVELY?  

benali72 wrote:
Please vote on whether you use: Puppy only, Puppy plus other Linux distro(s), mainly Linux with some Windows, or both Linux and Windows.

If you keep Windows around to run a specific application or for a particular reason, please explain.



I have to use Windows at work by corporate mandate. At home, I only use Puppy-528 on my main machine. I have an android phone and a router that runs Linux and some DVR devices that run linux so I can't say I only use Puppy.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2016, 04:44    Post subject:  

Now that I got rid of windows 10 and re-installed XP Professional, I'm back using the latter as my primary system. Installing the necessary drivers took a while but it's running like a greyhound. The thing with Windows is that everything just works. From my printer (which doesn't have a linux driver) to Seamonkey (my default browser) which actually support the latest flashplayer. I have replaced the ugly default theme (which includes the ugly green start button) with the beautiful embedded theme. It really looks smart. And of course access to all the wonderful and beautifully made windows applications and games (that run with DirectX). BTW - I've tried both Seamonkey and Palemoon and Seamonkey comes out tops as far as speed is concerned. So for now Puppy will take a back seat but I'll still use it every now and then.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2016, 05:02    Post subject:  

Well, there is no doubt IMO that Windows XP was a great OS (and not surprisingly considering the amount of paid labour that went into its creation). However, like all MS products it is subject to virus/malware problems/attack and more importantly it will grow old and useless so its time is limited. Yes, Windows has some great apps created for it - especially audio/video multimedia apps, but Linux is getting better and better in that respect and nice to support it. Better I feel, therefore, to find a good Linux OS (and there are so many varieties to chose from) and find apps that work consistently well (and they do exist). But each to their own!

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2016, 05:47    Post subject:  

I've used XP for 10 years without virus protection. Don't use IE (well, the older versions as that is the root of most problems) and download your stuff from safe sites. Windows XP Pro SP3 is STILL a great system. Windows XP Pro is a Rolls Royce, Puppy is a Ford...but I like Puppy too and it's a must have in my book.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 May 2017, 23:45    Post subject:  

Another XP/XP64 user here, protected by a router and good sense, but no antivirus. Know how malware gets developed? By reverse-engineering the patches. Old Windows gets no new patches, thus no new malware. Besides, newer Windows make me want to stick forks in my eyes.

I've tried many linux distros, found few I liked, and only two well enough to keep: one was PCLinuxOS "full monty" edition; the other was Wary Puppy 5.x. Talk about opposites!

I had Wary on my old laptop for a while but got tired of the wireless not working (it worked once, then never again. Laptop now has TinyXP.) But Wary has become my first-choice boot disk for busted systems, and I always put a copy on my USB boot stick; Wary is fast, easy, does the job, and never crashes.
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PostPosted: Sat 13 May 2017, 01:37    Post subject:  

After this I'm glad I use Linux
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11855178

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