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32-bit PCs on borrowed time...
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starhawk

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PostPosted: Wed 18 May 2016, 12:51    Post subject:  

@James C. Again, sorry I hurt your feelings. Better luck next time...
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 10:07    Post subject:  

While there are still 32 bit Computers that still turn on, I'll play with them.
They are still useful for doing tasks other then Facebook, Youtube or HD video.
I love the fact I can get them for free. This laptop I'm posting on was a freebie.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 11:48    Post subject:  

5 years ago one non-profit I have worked with has a sharp increase in 64bit machines being retired and getting from individuals who are upgrading. Many of them are NOT reconditioning 32bit PCs as the 64bit PCs insure that the donations to needy will be useful no matter the OSes of today. Some shops, too, do not accept 32bit anymore as 64bit PCs are readily being retired for various reason.

Most everyone, today, can "dumpster-dive" and find 64PCs that can be re-instituted. They are plentiful, free, and even cheap. My local shop has 64bit AMDs with 1GB DDR for $25(ca) if you dont want to take the plunge. Thus, with eyes open, one of these will run every x86 distro we have in Puppyland; namely 32bit and 64bit. Thus, a user is not limited in OS selections.

Hope this is helpful insight.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 15:33    Post subject:  

Even though 64bit has been around for some time, there is still consumer hardware being manufactured that either is OR restricted to 32bit only. 32-bit never will die and distros dropping 32-bit aren't smart in doing so.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 16:26    Post subject:  

All time is borrowed : -)

Posting this from a 32bit Pentium 4 (15, 3, 4).

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 16:50    Post subject:  

The most popular problem I see in #puppylinux chatroom with people running Tahr is they can't open Palemoon at all, because it's compiled with SSE2 or whatever, not available on older hardware. To me that makes it obvious that there is still a lot of 32-bit computers. I've never owned a 64-bit capable laptop myself, and perhaps never will, because as john biles said you can get old 32-bit ones for really cheap and still do what you need, without the UEFI/secure boot crap. The Pale Moon issue is so common that I think someone should start a thread on their forums telling them to compile the Linux version for i586 instead.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 17:00    Post subject:  

Three out of four of my PCs are 32 bit.
And even the 64 bit one has to run many pieces of 32 bit software simply because there is no 64 bit version or equivalent.

It is often hard work getting the 64 bit machine to do do what I want without resorting to 32 bit stuff.

I have yet to try it with Puppy.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 17:03    Post subject:  

Emotionally, I can understand the reluctance or refusal. But, I am not the creator of technology.

The creators have srunk the die to an unbelievable size. IBM already has CPUs built on 7nm. And memory changes are about to leap. The Pi has gone to 64bit on their die. And a new neural CPU is coming into real world space.

What the title of this thread suggests is what is happening in our world.

I only share what I am viewing and what my selections are today. As old as I have become, this concern for 32bit is EXACTLY the same concern for 16bit PCs in the 90s. No one, here, even remembers the pundits discussing 8bit vs 16bit.

This world is and will continue to be a user selectable world. I remember my "rejection" to the need of a portable phone and my disclaimers then. But, look at me today. That, in itself, is a teacher to the difference between my emotions and what actually happens in real space. Yes I not only have a portable phone, I have a smart portable phone with a 64bit processor. Idea

When I dumpster-dive finding a 32bit PC and a 64bit PC and I only have room in the car for 1, which do you think I'm going to take home? If my $25 dollars allows me a choice of a 32bit PC or the 64bit PC, which do you think I will choose? Why? Because I know I can run ANY PUP distro on the 64bit.

Oh well, I out of the discussion at this point.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 17:10    Post subject:  

You need to be saying that no-one remembers 8 vs 16 bit when some of us remember 0 vs 8 bit for PCs!!
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 17:21    Post subject:  

At least one eight-bit CPU is still in production...

That would be the Z80. I have one in my TI-83+ graphing calculator from high school...

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 18:10    Post subject:  

Quoting myself since gcmartin lacks reading comprehension.

bark_bark_bark wrote:
Even though 64bit has been around for some time, there is still consumer hardware being manufactured that either is OR restricted to 32bit only. 32-bit never will die and distros dropping 32-bit aren't smart in doing so.


32bit vs 64bit has nothing to do with emotions, it has to do with the state of the tech industry still emphasizing 32bit. You WILL still see tablets being made with 32bit CPUs and 2GB of RAM; Even if those CPUs were 64bit, allowing a 64bit OS to run when the device is locked to 2GB of RAM would be highly impratical and would bog things down badly. It's a fact and it would be nice if you could just see for yourself how the tech industry is working these days.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 19:06    Post subject:  

bark_bark_bark wrote:
Quoting myself since gcmartin lacks reading comprehension.

bark_bark_bark wrote:
Even though 64bit has been around for some time, there is still consumer hardware being manufactured that either is OR restricted to 32bit only. 32-bit never will die and distros dropping 32-bit aren't smart in doing so.


32bit vs 64bit has nothing to do with emotions, it has to do with the state of the tech industry still emphasizing 32bit. You WILL still see tablets being made with 32bit CPUs and 2GB of RAM; Even if those CPUs were 64bit, allowing a 64bit OS to run when the device is locked to 2GB of RAM would be highly impratical and would bog things down badly. It's a fact and it would be nice if you could just see for yourself how the tech industry is working these days.
You've got a point there, bark_bark_bark.

Conversely, on this HP Compaq dual-core 64-bit notebook, which right now is
running slim-6 (a 32-bit Slacko 6.3.0 derivative), htop shows the computer is
"parsing" the 32 bit operations between the two cores. Unevenly, you'll say, but
still, it's using the two CPUs.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 19:15    Post subject:  

Quote:
32-bit never will die and distros dropping 32-bit aren't smart in doing so.


Yet I remember
in 1997 wrote:
16bit never will die and Operating Systems dropping 16bit aren't smart in doing so.
Years from now, we will have the same discussion about 128bit or neural or ...

Industry will continue moving no matter what we do or think. And consumers, in/out of business, will continue to acquire and discard technology.

Linux as a part of the technology industry will continue for the foreseeables.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 20:17    Post subject:  

Not really.
It is soon going to get to the point where the CPU overheads of moving such chunks of data around will exceed the advantage.
The future lies in direct memory movement of data without the need of it passing though the CPU at all.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2016, 21:03    Post subject:  

32 bit will around for a very,very long time.

Folks said that XP would wither.

Did not happen.

The advantages of 64 vs 32 bit are negligible.

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