Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Fri 25 May 2018, 01:26
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Cutting edge
New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Moderators: Flash, Ian, JohnMurga
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
Page 3 of 4 [48 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Author Message
april


Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Posts: 1176
Location: Green Island baby! Drowning in fresh for a month

PostPosted: Mon 14 May 2018, 17:54    Post subject: Re: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: Requires testing - (Updated May 2018)
 

On google drive I could not get your files to download at all .
Couldn't you find a place that didn't rely on Microsoft?
Like Mega?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger 
technosaurus


Joined: 18 May 2008
Posts: 4807
Location: Kingwood, TX

PostPosted: Mon 14 May 2018, 19:22    Post subject:  

ETP wrote:
Hi quirkian2new,

Barry normally issues Pups with the keyboard lock (In QuickSetup) turned off whilst I issue stuff with it turned on.
Just visit the menu item Setup/QuickSetup turn it off then reboot ensuring that you click on save.

With it on when using a netbook or laptop, the keyboard number overlay will result in the following:
U becomes 4
I becomes 5
O becomes 6
J becomes 1
K becomes 2
L becomes 3
M becomes 0

You can also toggle it off and on with the NumLock toggle button in the status tray but it should really be off when you boot up.

Seriously? How is that a sane default?

_________________
Check out my github repositories. I may eventually get around to updating my blogspot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
ETP


Joined: 19 Oct 2010
Posts: 1070
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2018, 12:47    Post subject: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: (Updated May 2018)
 

@april,

I have double checked that my upload to Google Drive was good and suggest that you try again. Perhaps the Google
data centres in Taiwan & Singapore were having issues.
Failing that perhaps some kind forum member with a NZ mega account could mirror the files.
AU currently seems to sadly lack a Google data centre.

@technosaurus,

I concede that for the 50% of people who prefer it in the opposite state it makes no sense but the other 50% are probably sick of having to tick it.
The presence of the keyboard numlock tick box in Quick Setup allows for end users to exercise their hardware dependent choice.

The only sane thing here is the inclusion in the system tray of the indicator the shows the status of the numlock/overlay and a left mouse click on that toggles
the state. A laptop user could for example switch over to the embedded keypad if they were inputting loads of figures into a database or spreadsheet.

_________________
Regards ETP

Kennels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
ally


Joined: 19 May 2012
Posts: 1816
Location: lincoln, uk

PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2018, 13:24    Post subject:  

they've been mirrored here:

http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Forum_Pets

Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
technosaurus


Joined: 18 May 2008
Posts: 4807
Location: Kingwood, TX

PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2018, 13:41    Post subject: Re: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: (Updated May 2018)
 

ETP wrote:

@technosaurus,

I concede that for the 50% of people who prefer it in the opposite state it makes no sense but the other 50% are probably sick of having to tick it.
The presence of the keyboard numlock tick box in Quick Setup allows for end users to exercise their hardware dependent choice.

The only sane thing here is the inclusion in the system tray of the indicator the shows the status of the numlock/overlay and a left mouse click on that toggles
the state. A laptop user could for example switch over to the embedded keypad if they were inputting loads of figures into a database or spreadsheet.


People who want to override the BIOS default should set this in their BIOS. The ability for a user to easily override is fine, though pretty damn pointless since there is a key specific to that purpose and they are obviously planning to use the keyboard if they used it. I wish people would stop overriding user's preferred settings and requiring a workaround via a Rube Goldberg software implementation. Users have already exercised their choice in the BIOS (either by overriding or accepting the default) ... you are overriding that like an annoying Facebook policy update. ... Don't be like Facebook. The only sane thing is to respect the user's choice, not to override it and then make it necessary for them to jump through your hoops. Lots of people dual boot puppy/puplets and I'm confident that this would annoy most of them, especially if they specifically set it in their BIOS. If constantly checking the box is annoying, change the default in your BIOS (BIOS default should be the default BTW, not on or off... In other words do nothing)

_________________
Check out my github repositories. I may eventually get around to updating my blogspot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
april


Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Posts: 1176
Location: Green Island baby! Drowning in fresh for a month

PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2018, 22:49    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
they've been mirrored here:

http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Forum_Pets

:)

Thanks , I can see those but don't see the two files we are talking about?


Technosaurus
Chet Ramey
Any relation to Chet Atkins . One of the best guitar players I have ever heard until a recent bloke on the ABC whose name I have not learnt yet.
Oh damn You guys put your surname last don't you.

I always want my numblock ON! .....It deadens the nausea coming from the Government

Last edited by april on Sat 19 May 2018, 18:09; edited 4 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger 
april


Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Posts: 1176
Location: Green Island baby! Drowning in fresh for a month

PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2018, 22:56    Post subject: Re: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: (Updated May 2018)
 

ETP wrote:
@april,
I have double checked that my upload to Google Drive was good and suggest that you try again. Perhaps the Google
data centres in Taiwan & Singapore were having issues.
Failing that perhaps some kind forum member with a NZ mega account could mirror the files.
AU currently seems to sadly lack a Google data centre.

Well that site opens for me and I get the page below but nothing happens further . Cant see or download anything.
I commend Mega to you as a free site without the prying eyes and hoops of Google.

I have got to have another try at this and see if I can get something working .Will reread the previous summaries thanks.


Well I see it needs double clicks to get anything . I get the image file first and dd it onto my trial stick . That goes alright it seems but it wont load as a USB stick any more?
I let the machine boot from that and got up
Code:

wee 0>find --set-root /grldr
wee 15> /grldr
wee 17.> -


Anyway I go download the sfx file to find it is massive ...500 Megabytes plus .
Nah... don't think this is useful to me in any way ABORT
capture31119.png
Description 
png

 Download 
Filename  capture31119.png 
Filesize  244.93 KB 
Downloaded  9 Time(s) 

Last edited by april on Sat 19 May 2018, 18:06; edited 4 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger 
ETP


Joined: 19 Oct 2010
Posts: 1070
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sat 19 May 2018, 06:26    Post subject: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: (Updated May 2018)
 

Hi technosaurus,

It seems that you are harking back to the good old days of DOS when the numlock setting in the BIOS was respected by the OS.

In the case of Puppy and most mainstream Linux distros that is not the case so they provide alternate means of making one's choice.
(i.e. they ignore the state of the numlock setting in the BIOS)

The keyboard numlock tick-box provided by Barry within Quick Setup does not in my experience mirror the BIOS numlock state.
If it did it would be pre-populated with a tick as all of my boxes have it set to on. If users have made a choice within the BIOS it will be ignored.

This issue is a thorny one and some of the problems are well described in this 8 year old blog:
https://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/what-is-it-with-numlock-and-linux-120309

The issue of users with alpha numeric login passwords is typically described in the following thread
which has a couple of screenshots showing the Linux Mint approach:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/275474/turn-on-numlock-on-startup-in-linux-mint

IMHO it makes sense for users to have only one port of call to exercise their choice but to provide a ready means
of easily toggling the state subsequently. There is no single correct answer. The addition of on-screen lock status
indicators is essential for wireless keyboards and laptops that frequently lack indicator leds.

_________________
Regards ETP

Kennels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
april


Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Posts: 1176
Location: Green Island baby! Drowning in fresh for a month

PostPosted: Sat 19 May 2018, 18:56    Post subject:  

So as a puppy user I get this self extracting file of 528 Megabytes containing barry's work and I'm thinking , well maybe there is a way for Puppy to open this .

After all this is a Puppy forum and we use Linux not Windows ,surely someone would not get in here and start promoting the use of Windows shit.

So how am I supposed to open this massive big download now?

This is a con . Go directly to Barrys release thread and follow the directions there. I sumarised them on about page 53 so it works and I suspect there may be a reason for this thread. That being that stuff has been put in that the poster wants in that should not be there . Spying perhaps

You do not need 2 files ! Only one from below

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=106460
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger 
ETP


Joined: 19 Oct 2010
Posts: 1070
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2018, 14:49    Post subject: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: (Updated May 2018)
 

@april

Quote:
So as a puppy user I get this self extracting file of 528 Megabytes containing barry's work and I'm thinking , well maybe there is a way for Puppy to open this .
After all this is a Puppy forum and we use Linux not Windows ,surely someone would not get in here and start promoting the use of Windows shit.
So how am I supposed to open this massive big download now?


I suggest that you read the instructions again relating to the 2nd file & study the 8 screenshots provided one of which lists the extras added to the files taken
from Barry's base 415MB iso. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=991458#991458
This is not a full install as provided by his 541 MB xerus64-8.5-8gb.img.gz

Quote:
This is a con . Go directly to Barrys release thread and follow the directions there. I sumarised them on about page 53 so it works and I suspect there may be a reason for this thread. That being that stuff has been put in that the poster wants in that should not be there . Spying perhaps


Those are positively outrageous, fallacious assertions. If you genuinely believe them to be true you should take the matter up with a forum moderator.

_________________
Regards ETP

Kennels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
april


Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Posts: 1176
Location: Green Island baby! Drowning in fresh for a month

PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 04:38    Post subject:  

Why ?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger 
ETP


Joined: 19 Oct 2010
Posts: 1070
Location: UK

PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 07:01    Post subject:  

april wrote:
Why ?

Because if anyone attempted to use this forum to perpetrate a con or as a vehicle to introduce malware or spyware
they should quite rightly be banned from the forum once any of those things were confirmed to be true.
In essence I am calling your bluff.

_________________
Regards ETP

Kennels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
quirkian2new

Joined: 06 Oct 2015
Posts: 103
Location: on the inter-planet train

PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 09:24    Post subject:  

Hello, ETP,

For the past few days, running from a desktop PC with 8GB physical ram and find it very smooth and stable. System showed that there is 11G personal storage and 10G available.

The 'theatre style' of Youtube is very impressive.

Thanks for your excellent work. Thank you.
Screenshot.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   108.45 KB
 Viewed   75 Time(s)

Screenshot.jpg

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
april


Joined: 14 Sep 2013
Posts: 1176
Location: Green Island baby! Drowning in fresh for a month

PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 15:40    Post subject:  

ETP wrote:
[In essence I am calling your bluff.


Well mate I'm holding all the cards . Your download site provided and the files you espouse say it all. backing yourself up with pennames won't help you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger 
ETP


Joined: 19 Oct 2010
Posts: 1070
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2018, 04:19    Post subject: New simple install & boot method - only 2 files needed.
Subject description: (Updated May 2018)
 

@april
Quote:
Well mate I'm holding all the cards . Your download site provided and the files you espouse say it all.

Not so, as the files are in fact in the Public domain accessible via the Google Drive links that I provided.
They will remain so in their original state.
As such they are freely available for scrutiny/forensic analysis to all 38,739 forum members and to anyone a member may choose to give the link to.
In addition I note that forum member "ally" kindly copied them to archive.org
In combination that means that they are available for examination by multiple experts

Such an investigation is welcome if that is what it takes to convince you of the truth.

Quote:
backing yourself up with pennames won't help you.

You continue to add fresh insults to injury.
The only thing that I expect here is an eventual retraction and apology.
Until and if that day ever arrives I will not be responding to any more of your posts.
It is a sad day when the forum descends to this level.

_________________
Regards ETP

Kennels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 3 of 4 [48 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Cutting edge
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0699s ][ Queries: 12 (0.0110s) ][ GZIP on ]