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no sound in HP Compaq nx6110 after restart
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun 2016, 05:17    Post subject:  no sound in HP Compaq nx6110 after restart  

Hello

I have problem with sound in HP Compaq nx6110 laptop with Intel 82801FBM ICH6-M - AC'97 Audio Controller card.
Sound usually works after "cold" power-up (but sometimes not let say 70%works/30%no), after restart there is always no sound.
I have tried setting vol, alsa force-reload - no help.
No errors shown.
I use Lxtahr15 (main), checked Tahr6 and slacko5.6 all the same problem. (winXP works fine)

It is old but nice laptop for web browsing, can anybody help?
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jun 2016, 07:20    Post subject:  

You have looked in Alsa Mixer?

Checked you have the right soundcard enabled.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=528442#528442

See the next pic down??

Checked RetroVol as well?

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/RetroVol

Welcome to Puppy.

Others will probably help as well.
Make sure that you post back...whether good news or bad.

Chris.
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jun 2016, 08:29    Post subject:  

Thanks for reply.
I have checked soundcard in use, compared it when sound was and when was no sound - all the same. I also have tuned volume both retrovol and non GUI (alsamixer?) - no help.
All linux are frugal install (forget to say) and must stay like this.
Checked few times boot without savefile, let system find right way, but sound was random order.
Any way to stop initialize soundcard during boot? Can I do it manually?
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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2016, 04:46    Post subject:  

I've said this before in another thread http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=899975#899975 ... will repeat it once again. First, *update* the glibc package in your Puppy. Secondly, install some sound/alsa packages. You can do it either via Puppy's package manager by installing the following items:

libc-bin
libc6
linux-sound-base
libasound2
alsa-base
alsa-utils

or, go directly to Ubuntu packages, download and install the following .deb packages (right-click on a .deb file to install it):

http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/libc-bin
http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/libc6
http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/linux-sound-base
http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libasound2
http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/alsa-base
http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/alsa-utils

Run this command in a terminal
Code:
alsactl init
this will initialize your hardware and will also help you identify it. If everything goes well, run
Code:
alsamixer
in a terminal, press f6 to select your sound device, press escape to close the selection window and adjust the sound level to your liking and press escape to close alsamixer (see the attached picture). Now, we need to preserve and store all our settings, let's run
Code:
alsactl store
in a terminal. Hopefully, this will solve your issue.

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daarek5 wrote:
Checked few times boot without savefile, let system find right way, but sound was random order.
Any way to stop initialize soundcard during boot? Can I do it manually?
You *must* use the save option, or *remaster* your Puppy to preserve your sound settings!
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jun 2016, 10:14    Post subject:  

My main and dialy system will be LxTahr15 frugal install.
Upgrade...
Some of the following items are already instaled (said Puppy package menager)
I have installed only linux-sound-base, "libc6" was a lot, havn't know what to choose.
after:
Code:
root# alsactl init
alsactl: parse:1670: Unable to open file '/usr/share/alsa/init/00main': No such file or directory

don't know what's wrong Question
whatever
but after
Code:
root# alsa force-reload

now sound is working !
Big thanks! Very Happy

Hope it will work fine. I will send confirmation after few days, see it ordinary work.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2016, 09:47    Post subject:  

Quote:
My main and dialy system will be LxTahr15 frugal install
Yes, that's why I've directed you to Ubuntu Trusty Tahr packages.
Quote:
Upgrade...
Some of the following items are already instaled (said Puppy package manager)
I have installed only linux-sound-base, "libc6" was a lot, havn't know what to choose.
The correct word, of course should be *update* not *upgrade* - I misspoke, sorry. The point is you don't need to chose anything, just do as I say Smile Your Puppy, most probably has this issue:
Quote:
USN-2900-1: GNU C Library vulnerability
Ubuntu Security Notice USN-2900-1

16th February, 2016

eglibc, glibc vulnerability

A security issue affects these releases of Ubuntu and its derivatives:

Ubuntu 15.10
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS

Summary

GNU C Library could be made to crash or run programs if it received specially crafted network traffic.
Software description

eglibc - GNU C Library
glibc - GNU C Library

Details

It was discovered that the GNU C Library incorrectly handled receiving responses while performing DNS resolution. A remote attacker could use this issue to cause the GNU C Library to crash, resulting in a denial of service, or possibly execute arbitrary code.
Update instructions

The problem can be corrected by updating your system to the following package version:

Ubuntu 15.10:
libc6 2.21-0ubuntu4.1
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS:
libc6 2.19-0ubuntu6.7
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS:
libc6 2.15-0ubuntu10.13

To update your system, please follow these instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Upgrades.

After a standard system update you need to reboot your computer to make
all the necessary changes.
==>http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2900-1/
It's more important than your sound issues - don't underestimate it. Take this opportunity to kill two birds with one stone!
Quote:
Code:
root# alsactl init
alsactl: parse:1670: Unable to open file '/usr/share/alsa/init/00main': No such file or directory

don't know what's wrong Question
whatever
but after
Code:
root# alsa force-reload

now sound is working !
Big thanks! Very Happy

Hope it will work fine. I will send confirmation after few days, see it ordinary work.
No, your problem still remains. You will have to install *all* the packages to completely solve it. Don't use the package manager - just download and install all 6 of them manually. This is a 100% safe operation.
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2016, 12:20    Post subject:  

Maybe other way?
Is LxPupTahr-15.12.1-pae.iso (232.1 MB) secured?
I'm bit worried messing system, tired Windows problems.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2016, 13:34    Post subject:  

Quote:
Maybe other way?
Is LxPupTahr-15.12.1-pae.iso (232.1 MB) secured?
I'm bit worried messing system, tired Windows problems.
That's a good question and I don't have an answer to it, because I don't have that Puppy installed on my machine. However, you can run this command to find out:
Code:
/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
What does it show to you? If your version is 2.19-0ubuntu6.9 or newer, you are good to go. If it's older than 2.19-0ubuntu6.7 - you are screwed. The bad guys are in full control of your machine. They are watching your porn videos and playing your illegally downloaded music files and reading your personal emails ...
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 05:28    Post subject:  

I have looked for other threats about it, found only:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=105541&sid=1d162271af7bdd38c196401bf6ed94da

I want fire&forget system, as little meitenance as possible.
Used slacko 5.6 for long time (with updated ff only) in my main computer
Code:
# ldd --version
ldd (GNU libc) 2.15
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

is it OK?
For weak HP I take LxPupTahr becouse heard it's lighter system.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 06:45    Post subject:  

daarek5 wrote:
I have looked for other threats about it, found only:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=105541&sid=1d162271af7bdd38c196401bf6ed94da
But that's the wrong thread ... where some resident Puppy entertainers are expressing their misguided views. To fully appreciate the problem do a Google search for "glibc vulnerability". This is not a Puppy problem - this is an *all* Linux issue.
daarek5 wrote:
I want fire&forget system, as little meitenance as possible.
Used slacko 5.6 for long time (with updated ff only) in my main computer ... is it OK?
For weak HP I take LxPupTahr becouse heard it's lighter system.
I'm strongly biased in favor of (Debian)Ubuntu, so I personally too, would stay with your current choice - LxPupTahr. Just install *all* those 6 .deb files and forget about the issues.
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2016, 04:53    Post subject:  

I have tried update with deb packages, download files and installed it.
During savefile update there was a lot of errors, system hangs.
Of course after restart with this savefile
Code:
ldd --version
ldd (Ubuntu EGLIBC 2.19-0ubuntu6.5) 2.19

I see the same (previous) version.

I also have tried Quickpet, tahrpup updates, there was it, mentioned risky operation.
All downloaded, finished, but again during savefile there was a lot of errors, system hangs. All the same.
No way, my even limited experience says that updating things included in sfs causes problems.
Someone who knows should "bake" updated versions of Tahr Puppy.
We have to wait. I will use slacko temporary.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2016, 12:01    Post subject:  

I downloaded lxtahrpup and tahrpup, no problem manually installing the debs ... but I can't save the changes. Updating glibc (or anything else) in Debian/Ubuntu is trivial, but in Puppy it seems to be an issue. We know who bakes Trusty Tahr Puppy ... you can ask for help in that thread. Slacko, I suspect is no different in terms of glibc vulnerability. To the best of my knowledge, FatDog was the only one that officially updated its glibc. DebianDog didn't do that, but in DD the user controls what packages to install, not an issue there.

edit
Saving the changes is NOT a big deal. Just convert the deb packages to pet files and the problem is solved.
deb2pet utility:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39756
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun 2016, 06:00    Post subject:  

Back to track
After few days I see that sound problem isn't solved.
Maybe it's hardware specific problem (laptop is even not second, maybe fourth hand)
but temporary solution works, I made a script:
Code:
#!/bin/bash
alsa force-reload
sleep 3
amixer -q set Master 65% unmute
amixer -q set PCM 90% unmute

that fix it when sound isn't recognized properly.
Thanks.

anikin wrote:

edit
Saving the changes is NOT a big deal. Just convert the deb packages to pet files and the problem is solved.
deb2pet utility:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39756

deb packages to pet files? Everythink is working well, and uses updated libs?
Today I'm too little experienced, mainly becouse all Puppy working fine before Smile. For me it's genious - complete, easy to use system about 200 MB, keep alive old hardware.
I hope that security problem will be disputed in other fourm section.
I will try updated Puppy when it comes.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:45    Post subject:  

Quote:
deb packages to pet files? Everythink is working well, and uses updated libs?
Yes, that's what I did - converted all the downloaded debs (all 6 of them) and installed just by clicking on the .pet files. I should add here, that I don't run/use modern pups. But when I did use them, I *always* remastered and customized my pups and didn't use the save option. So, a long story short, I installed all the (debs)pets and *remastered* my tahrpup. This is a much cleaner approach, than creating a save file/folder. No issues, no errors - I'm posting from it now, see the attached pics.
Quote:
I hope that security problem will be disputed in other fourm section.
I will try updated Puppy when it comes
The updated Puppy, I'm afraid won't come by itself. Someone will need to stand up and start a conversation.
Quote:
Maybe it's hardware specific problem (laptop is even not second, maybe fourth hand)
but temporary solution works, I made a script
No, it isn't a hardware issue, your laptop is OK. A knowledgeable person here says its a design flaw in Puppy ==>http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=901611#901611
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daarek5

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Jun 2016, 09:14    Post subject:  

anikin wrote:
Quote:
deb packages to pet files? Everythink is working well, and uses updated libs?
Yes, that's what I did - converted all the downloaded debs (all 6 of them) and installed just by clicking on the .pet files. I should add here, that I don't run/use modern pups. But when I did use them, I *always* remastered and customized my pups and didn't use the save option. So, a long story short, I installed all the (debs)pets and *remastered* my tahrpup. This is a much cleaner approach, than creating a save file/folder. No issues, no errors - I'm posting from it now, see the attached pics.

Now I understand , but remastering after few tryups (and making mess in NFTS partition, I know... too late... I should prepare linux partition)- long way before me.
Quote:
No, it isn't a hardware issue, your laptop is OK. A knowledgeable person here says its a design flaw in Puppy ==>http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=901611#901611

Any idea why sometimes sound was recognized without modifications (puppy "out of box",tahr or slacko, also antiX13)?
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