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foxpup


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Jul 2017, 05:39    Post subject: optimus / xorg 1.19?  

I am using/testing Xenialpup64 7.0.8.5 on a new lenovo ideapad for quite a while now. I did some reporting around 2 june.
I have no big issues; XP runs really fast and nice... except I have an Optimus machine, with 2 graphic cards and XP always runs on the lesser. There is an internal Intel card and an external nVidia card; XP only uses the Intel card.
There was no support for an Optimus-2gc-system in Linux as in latest Windows, until recently. Read this:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2329171
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/957814/linux/prime-and-prime-synchronization/

But it needs Xorg 1.19
Hence my question, or suggestion to step up from xorg 1.18 to 1.19 for XP.
Would that be possible?
It would make XP more attractive to use on modern machines.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 08:11    Post subject:  

Has anyone used the bugfix (icon on desktop) and it worked OK?
No problems with Xenialpup64, after using bugfix, and letting it install stuff?

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 18:44    Post subject:  

@bigpup

Bugfix on 7.0.8.5 doesn't appear to download anything. It simply
reports "no fixes yet". I just tried this on a new frugal without a
save file. If something is actually downloaded it happens too
quickly to see.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 19:47    Post subject: Xenialpup64 7.0.8.4  

My bug fixes keeps saying it hasn't installed any bug fixes yet so I just assumed nothing needed to be fixed. Anyone downloaded Thunderbird tar.gz from the mozilla site and it worked okay in Xenialpup64 without having to compile or anything. Is there anything that must be done to the tar.gz file in order to get it to work. I downloaded the deb file from the Skype for Linux website and it works great without doing anything in Tahrpup64. Made a folder in the Network section and everything. Anyone tried the Skype for Linux deb file in Xenialpup64?

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Aug 2017, 19:24    Post subject: Does Xenialpup64 7.0.8.4 use the latest nouveau drivers?  

I noticed a improvement in xenialpup64 over tarhpup64.

Xenialpup64's nouveau drivers crash less then tarhpup64's nouveau drivers.

They still crash, but takes a lot longer to crash.

Has anyone tested xenialpup64 with the latest nouveau drivers?
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Aug 2017, 14:56    Post subject: Xenialpup64  

Hi Lassar switch your video card to an ati or even intel and you'll never crash using Palemoon. I paid $50 for an old pci express 2 ati video card which are all compatible with the original pci express and I haven't crashed in a month with a computer that constantly crashed using an nvidea card. My other computers with ati video cards have never crashed with Palemoon. From my experience with Puppy and Linux I would never buy or build a computer with an nvidia card unless I knew there were drivers included in puppy that wouldn't crash the browsers. I don't think Linus Torvalds liked Nvidea very much.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Aug 2017, 15:35    Post subject:  

Nouveau driver is a open source, general Nvidia hardware driver.
It is not perfect.

You can install the correct Nvidia driver for your hardware.

This is how to do it.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=110611

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Aug 2017, 21:13    Post subject:  

The reason I asked about the nouveau driver is that it looks like it might be
a lot smaller then the nvidia driver.


Okay I read this in the forum nvidia how to:

Quote:
Installing a Nvidia driver run package

Will need following items:
1.Nvidia driver run package
2.Puppy version DEVX SFS package
3.Puppy version kernel source SFS
4.Getnvidia program



I checked out http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/opt/pup64/, and the getnvidia package looks old. (23-Oct-2013)

So where do I find the Getnvidia pet?

I want to make the nvidia sfs on a computer that does not have nvidia graphics on it.

Then install this nvidia sfs on a computer that does has nvidia graphics on it.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Aug 2017, 21:59    Post subject:  

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I checked out http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/opt/pup64/, and the getnvidia package looks old. (23-Oct-2013)

In Puppy, the age of when a program package was made, has nothing to do with it working.
If it works, do not try to fix it.

That link I posted is the getnvidia pet package you want.

About making the Nvidia driver on a different computer, than the one you want to use it on.
You are still going to have to boot that computer with Xenialpup64 version you have.
Load the devx and kernel sources sfs's
Install Getnividia.

The big reason is the Nvidia driver has to be made for the specific Linux kernel that the version of Xenialpup is using.
The driver has to be compiled for that specific kernel and it will only work on that specific kernel.

It would be easier to just do it all on the computer you want it on.
All that is needed is an internet connection.
Could download all needed files on another computer and copy them onto the final computer.

Also, understand there is no one Nvidia driver that supports all Nvidia hardware.
That is why you have to check their web site to see what the specific hardware needs.
Right now there are about 4 or 5 drivers that will cover most Nvidia hardware.
All drivers are different.
A specific driver supports a specific group(S) of hardware.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Aug 2017, 22:11    Post subject: Re: Does Xenialpup64 7.0.8.4 use the latest nouveau drivers?  

Lassar wrote:
I noticed a improvement in xenialpup64 over tarhpup64.

Xenialpup64's nouveau drivers crash less then tarhpup64's nouveau drivers.

They still crash, but takes a lot longer to crash.

Has anyone tested xenialpup64 with the latest nouveau drivers?

Crash how?
What happens?
Specific details!

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Aug 2017, 21:23    Post subject:  

Quote:
To use Getnvidia:
Well, install it.
Download the Nvidia run package, place in /mnt/home



I am having trouble finding /mnt/home

I don't think there is such a place in xenialpup.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Aug 2017, 21:31    Post subject: Re: Does Xenialpup64 7.0.8.4 use the latest nouveau drivers?  

bigpup wrote:

What happens?
Specific details!


When I was using a addon in kodi, the screen faded to white.

And kodi froze up. I think xenialpup crashed.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Aug 2017, 05:04    Post subject:  

Lassar wrote:
I am having trouble finding /mnt/home

I don't think there is such a place in xenialpup.

You run puppy with a pupsave?
If you run puppy pfix=ram (without pupsave) there is no /mnt/home/. So shotdown and make a pupsave if you want /mnt/home/. It will be offered to you on first shutdown.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Aug 2017, 13:34    Post subject:  

I was getting errors in the creation of the sfs.

So I gave up and downloaded nvidia-glx-304.135-k4.9.15-xenial64.sfs from
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Skami_Driver_Repo

The nvidia 173.14.39 driver should be a lot smaller.

Could someone compile NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.39-pkg2.run
for the 4.9.15 kernel?
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Aug 2017, 13:42    Post subject: nvidia legacy 173  

Lassar wrote:
Could someone compile NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.39-pkg2.run
for the 4.9.15 kernel?

Lassar,
You better ask this is the "Nvidia drivers" thread.

This probably needs patches because the kernel is too recent for the old driver. So it is not easy to do, perhaps impossible. The recent xorg in xenialpup can be a problem for the old driver too.
Also, does this driver support your graphic card? Did you check?
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