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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Nov 2017, 11:43    Post subject: Re: Xenialpup64 CE 7.5  

666philb wrote:
Billtoo wrote:


The up-arrow isn't a problem because the 8 on the numeric keypad works like the up-arrow normally works and the up-arrow is great for taking screenshots Smile


hi Billtoo,

up arrow works fine here ... maybe it just happens with some keyboard layouts.

do you know if anyone's posted a fix for it anywhere?


Hi Phil,
It happens on my mac uefi to flash drive installs, both use the aluminum mac keyboard.

Not a big deal, just have remember to use the 8 on the numeric keypad instead.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Nov 2017, 12:30    Post subject: Re: Xenialpup64 CE 7.5
Subject description: final release
 

mavrothal wrote:
666philb wrote:
Xenialpup64 CE 7.5
built with woofCE testing


Congratulations!!!
You would want to formally announce that in http://blog.puppylinux.com/
add a patch to update http://puppylinux.com/index.html#download to point to them
and alert BK to also put it in his blog.

How could it get into Distrowatch?
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666philb


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2017, 13:03    Post subject: Re: congratulations  

foxpup wrote:
Congratulations Phil with the release of the final Xenialpup!
And thank you for the hard work. The result is very nice.

I don't have automatic wifi connection at startup. I try to set this up with sns. To solve this, I link rc.network in Startup. Another possibility would be to make a hotkey for rc.network in jwm, which gives me the choice of connecting or not.


hi foxpup,

yes there seems to be a problem with sns & frisbee failing to automatically connect,. network wizard is working fine though.
i've pm'd rerwin and asked him to take a look.

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2017, 13:38    Post subject: Re: congratulations  

666philb wrote:
foxpup wrote:
Congratulations Phil with the release of the final Xenialpup!
And thank you for the hard work. The result is very nice.

I don't have automatic wifi connection at startup. I try to set this up with sns. To solve this, I link rc.network in Startup. Another possibility would be to make a hotkey for rc.network in jwm, which gives me the choice of connecting or not.


hi foxpup,

yes there seems to be a problem with sns & frisbee failing to automatically connect,. network wizard is working fine though.
i've pm'd rerwin and asked him to take a look.



Hi Phil,

I was just wondering, why isn't the whole process/idea behind 'Network Configuration' in Puppies solidified behind one network connection manager? For example, could not just 'Network Wizard' be made default, and permanently remove SNS and Frisbee. I've had horrible problems in the past (across Xenials, Slackos and others) where network profiles wouldn't be properly saved, and thus wouldn't start up, or SNS would conflict with Network Wizard, etc, etc.

I understand the puppy universe loves choice, but in this aspect, why everything has strayed from the K.I.S.S. principle seems to cause more headaches that necessary.

Just my $0.02 Wink
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2017, 13:44    Post subject: Re: congratulations  

@belham2: I think getting rid of SNS would be the opposite of K.I.S.S. because it's the "Simple" choice (the name even says so Very Happy ).
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2017, 13:55    Post subject: Re: congratulations  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
@belham2: I think getting rid of SNS would be the opposite of K.I.S.S. because it's the "Simple" choice (the name even says so Very Happy ).


@sailor, lol, that's fine by me. I was just choosing one for an example, not advocating a choice. Figures I choose the one that someone jumps all over me about even though I actually do advocate it Wink

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=111988&sid=51dede606b24cebb80bf4e3cb8ef2f81
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morochos

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2017, 22:50    Post subject: Saved file exists but not recognized  

I installed xenial 64 puppy 7.5 today, tested in 3 computers. Everything is fine in 2 of them, wonderful version. However, in one PC, the saved file is made without problems, but after reboot, the system begins as if no saved file was present, and it is in the HDD.
The PC have 2 partitions, one for Windows 10 and one for ext4. I have tested with the Windows partition and with the ext4 partition, the same problem in both.
Previously, I worked with Precise puppy without issues to report.
Do you have an idea of what is happening? How can I solve this?
Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 02:01    Post subject: Re: Saved file exists but not recognized  

morochos wrote:
Do you have an idea of what is happening?

Providing some relevant info trigger ideas!
You can try the full report from pup-sysinfo though I think that the bootloader (grub4dos/grub2/LICK/other) options, the output of 'cut /proc/cmdline (just to be sure) and the /initrd/tmp/bootinit.log should give some idea.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 03:07    Post subject: Re: congratulations  

belham2 wrote:
I was just wondering, why isn't the whole process/idea behind 'Network Configuration' in Puppies solidified behind one network connection manager?
I think the reason for this variety of managers is the same difference between Windows users and Puppy users: -

Windows automatically finds connectable access points, asks you for password info, then FOREVER AFTERWARDS spends time "connecting, repairing connection, healing connection, restoring connection, troubleshooting connection" etc etc etc.

Puppy lets you bypass all that foofaa and set up your connection protocol however you want it.

The problem is when Puppy users get caught in the middle - they don't really understand how the connection with the router works (so they can't force their puppy to do the basics) and they don't really want to surrender their power to the operating system (as windows users do) so they install (or use) multiple managers in the belief that "more is better".

I think the answer is to identify "how to set up a connection" and separate it from "how to restore a connection that has problems".

Unfortunately the second of these problems varies from router brand to router brand.

Router manufacturers work closely with Windows but don't understand Puppy (or other small Linux variants) - so each puppy user ends up with a slightly different experience depending on their router.

I spent years unable to use SNS (had to use network wizard) until one day I was forced to swap my router and suddenly network wizard was less reliable and I have been forced to use SNS ever since.

I think we just need to ensure users understand that "making a connection" and "restoring a broken connection" are two different processes.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 05:27    Post subject: Re: congratulations  

belham2 wrote:

I was just wondering, why isn't the whole process/idea behind 'Network Configuration' in Puppies solidified behind one network connection manager? For example, could not just 'Network Wizard' be made default, and permanently remove SNS and Frisbee. I've had horrible problems in the past (across Xenials, Slackos and others) where network profiles wouldn't be properly saved, and thus wouldn't start up, or SNS would conflict with Network Wizard, etc, etc.
Just as an illustration: I have the same problem in the quirky/easy/pyro builds from Barry and there even my "rc.network in Startup" does not work, I have to redo the construction of the wlan0 profile every time anew.
Well, it's almost puppy and it is not horrible Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 06:30    Post subject: Re: Saved file exists but not recognized  

mavrothal wrote:
morochos wrote:
Do you have an idea of what is happening?

Providing some relevant info trigger ideas!
You can try the full report from pup-sysinfo though I think that the bootloader (grub4dos/grub2/LICK/other) options, the output of 'cut /proc/cmdline (just to be sure) and the /initrd/tmp/bootinit.log should give some idea.

Yes, bootinit.log says what happened, Also /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE says what the result was.

The current init script has reused the psubdir= boot parameter for a different purpose from the traditional Woof2 usage. Anything that is not in the specified directory has to be fully specified.

e.g. init will infer the pdev1 partition from pupsfs= but it will not infer the subdirectory. So it won't find the adrv...zdrv even if they are in the same directory as the base SFS, unless psubdir= is defined.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 07:50    Post subject:  

[quote="666philb"]
bigpup wrote:
Xenialpup64 7.5
Frugal + save folder.

Did several downloads and installs to make sure was not bad download and install.

Tried this with both of the Quickpet Nvidia drivers.
Same results.

Tried to install the Nvidia drivers offered in Quickpet.
After the download, install, and reboot.
Pup-Sysinfo reports the Nvidia driver is being used.
Something is wrong.

glxgears will not run

nvidia x server settings will not run.
Get this error.
See image attached.

Trying to run nvidia-xconfig just totally breaks it.

Running xorgwizard
Selecting nvidia and correct settings.
Has no affect on solving the problems.


hi bigpup,

that's odd as the 380 driver from quickpet works for me.
have a look at /var/log/messages see if that sheds any light ... here's mine with a working driver
Quote:
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.warn kernel: nvidia: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel.
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.warn kernel: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.warn kernel: Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.notice kernel: nvidia: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.info kernel: nvidia-nvlink: Nvlink Core is being initialized, major device number 243
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.info kernel: vgaarb: device changed decodes: PCI:0000:01:00.0,olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=none:owns=io+mem
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.warn kernel: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 384.98 Thu Oct 26 15:16:01 PDT 2017 (using threaded interrupts)
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.info kernel: [drm] Initialized
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.info kernel: nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms 384.98 Thu Oct 26 14:41:13 PDT 2017
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.info kernel: [drm] [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Loading driver
Nov 27 15:01:17 puppypc29681 user.info kernel: nvidia-modeset: Allocated GPU:0 (GPU-fe88fbd9-5a3b-a28e-28fd-66538fa25ce3) @ PCI:0000:01:00.0

The /var/log/messages looks like yours.
So, it does seem the driver got loaded and used.
Just had issues with glxgears and nvidia X server settings.

I am going to call this just my bad luck and see if anyone else has similar problems.

I got it all working by doing the Getnvida and Nvidia driver run package install.

This is all on a USB hard drive.
So, the hard drive could be having issues.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 08:01    Post subject:  

666philb,

Give Puppy some love and report your fine work on Distrowatch.
That Puppy Distrowatch page needs some love by you developers of Puppy versions.
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=submit

01micko is not going to do it. Rolling Eyes

The Linux world needs to hear about this very, very, good, new Puppy version!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 08:49    Post subject:  

666philb,
Yes, this looks good, if others agree, why not make it the latest official puppy at distrowatch?

If you want to tackle that wifi reconnect problem first, probably a good idea. I was also having that problem with sns in Quirky, fiddled with some 'sleep', mostly fixed it -- mostly, because there is still one report not reconnecting in Pyro64 0.6. My sns is a bit different from rerwin's, so rerwin will have to tackle it.

I can announce it on my blog, as the guys at distrowatch still look there, and expect me to tell them when a new official pup is released.

You would need to create an announcement page somewhere, with a summary blurb, that they can cut parts out for the distrowatch announcement.

Then, also need release notes, on same page or separate. The guys at distrowatch are fussy about that, want both a general announcement plus release notes.

Contact me via here, when it is ready to go:

http://bkhome.org/contact/

Regarding 01micko, he is tied up with real-life, full-time job and personal responsibilities.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017, 08:57    Post subject:  

For what it's worth, Palemoon has just updated to 27.6.2 too, and that annoying flickering bug with the spinning icon that was introduced in 27.6 has been fixed (I tested it in Walter Dnes build here to make sure). Smile

Pale Moon: Release notes 27.6.2 - 2017-11-28 wrote:
Fixed the Linux load throbber image to be properly encoded, to prevent flickering.
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