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how many puppy users are there in 2016?
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how many puppy users are there?
i am a puppy user
97%
 97%  [ 66 ]
i am not a puppy user (if you want to be counted on here anyway)
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 68

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musher0


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Aug 2016, 23:14    Post subject:  

Hello all.

So, Anikin, you are challenging the number of over 159,000 downloads submitted by
Peebee and validated by the download robot at sourceforge.net. What can I say?
This French proverb is a perfect fit, I think:
"The worst deaf people are those who don't want to hear."

In no order:
-- I suggested the number of two million Puppy users based on the research the
French section (myself, pelo, and a couple of others) did a couple of years ago. The
Puppy-2.7 thread initiated by ttuuxxx had had then, by itself, over a million readers
(hits). Just dig up that thread, you'll see.

You can find similar counts for all other major breeds of Puppy (the 4.3x's, the old
quirkies, the racies, pemasu's upup's, the lupu's, the slacko's, 666philb's Tahrpups,
etc., etc.). Add them up, and you may find that my suggested number of two million
users is not so far-fetched or out-of-the-blue after all.

It's time-consuming, but it can be done.

-- As dancytron mentioned, a user satisfied by his/her Puppy won't register here or
feel the need to participate in a forum discussion.

-- What is that interesting 90-9-1 modulo about forums? How did it come about? Who
uses it? Which organizations consider it valid? Thanks in advance.

-- Even if this forum was frequented by only 49 regular potential devs/testers, I'd
say: wow!

-- If we take a conservative average number of say 18,000 visitors per day to this
forum, and we multiply that number by 365 days in the year we get: 6,570,000...
users? Smile Of course the sunset is beautiful to watch from this Puppy forum!!! Laughing

My 2-3 cents (CAD). Wink (The wink is for the person who knows why it's there!)

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Aug 2016, 23:21    Post subject:  

Quote:
-- If we take a conservative average number of say 18,000 visitors per day to this
forum, and we multiply that number by 365 days in the year we get: 6,570,000...
users?


youre not accounting for repeat customers among the 18,000 from one day to the next. since i know im one of the 18,000, which is probably more accurate than your other number. if i come here 100 days out of the year, that means you can subtract 99 from your figure just for me; its not 18,000 times 365(.25 to account for leap year.) once you figure out how many are repeats from one day to the next-- you then get a number between:

18,000 and 6,574,500,
- crawlers and non-users
- users who were on more than one ip per day (like me)
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+ users that were on the same ip as another puppy user (families)
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x 10, per the 90-9-1 thing
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_%28Internet_culture%29
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musher0


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Aug 2016, 23:38    Post subject:  

Fair enough.

18,000 x 10 = 180,000 users at least

Plus peebee's LxPup fans
159,000

= 339,000 users

Still better than nothing!

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 00:00    Post subject:  

thats more than a quarter of a million. thats a LOT!

its a reasonable figure. it could possibly be more, given the dw ranking.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 00:01    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Plus peebee's LxPup fans
159,000

Sourceforge lies. I think peebee found that out when apparently 261 people downloaded his LxPup-15.11.02-s-pae and nobody noticed Firefox was broken. I wonder if the people who use 01micko's excellent Sourceforge downloader count. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 13:09    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
musher0 wrote:
Plus peebee's LxPup fans
159,000

Sourceforge lies. I think peebee found that out when apparently 261 people downloaded his LxPup-15.11.02-s-pae and nobody noticed Firefox was broken. I wonder if the people who use 01micko's excellent Sourceforge downloader count. Laughing
Hi, Sailor.

How about providing the numbers of your counter-evidence publicly? Or maybe you
are pessimistic by nature and you just want company in your misery? Laughing (As in:
"Misery loves company." [English proverb]) Laughing

In the meantime, I found the stats for koulazixis' Slacko XL from 3 years ago until
now. So another 58,526 users should be added to our numbers! Smile (as of this writing)
Please see:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppystuff/files/stats/timeline?dates=2013-07-19+to+2016-08-07
koulazixis's Pup was downloaded 320 times this past week.

This means we are pushing close to 400,000 users. And I still think that this new
number is conservative.

I know that with these numbers my Puppy morale is improving! Very Happy How about yours?

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 13:35    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
How about providing the numbers of your counter-evidence publicly? Or maybe you
are pessimistic by nature and you just want company in your misery? Laughing (As in:
"Misery loves company." [English proverb]) Laughing


theres no evidence outside this single metric that sailor is a pessimist-- since youre basing it only on this thread (and even if you werent) this is simple ad hom.

Quote:
In the meantime, I found the stats for koulazixis' Slacko XL from 3 years ago until
now. So another 58,526 users should be added to our numbers! Smile


youre neglecting overlap again. youre counting every download as a user (thats not at all realistic) and youre counting every download by a user as an individual user.

i have 26 pups in ONE folder that is handy-- as far as i know, im not 26 people. more to the point, many people have professed to downloading multiple pups without being multiple people.

Quote:
Pup was downloaded 320 times this past week.

This means we are pushing close to 400,000 users.


no it doesnt mean that at all.

Quote:
I know that with these numbers my Puppy morale is improving! Very Happy How about yours?


numbers are numbers. morale is subjective. i think puppy is doing fine, incidentally-- im not interested in a perversely oversimplified interpretation of download data to justify it.

neither is sailor-- no need to call him out for questioning a mostly irrelevant factoid based on what he knows.

btw, i assume your interpretation of the data is tongue-in-cheek. thats fine, im likewise pretending youre serious-- but even if youre kidding im not entirely sure accusing sailor is necessary.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 13:45    Post subject:  

Fine. If you don't like my approach, why don't you develop your own methodology?

BTW, you still have not answered me as to how the modulo 90-9-1 was obtained.

Finally, in the word emotion there is the word motion. Emotions are what move people,
even to get facts. If you're pessimistic you'll see the glass half-empty. This is nothing
new. It's just a reminder.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 14:13    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Fine. If you don't like my approach, why don't you develop your own methodology?


its not my own methodology-- its simply (by virtue of being on the forum) a collaboration on trying to guess how many users there are.

its somewhat disingenuous imo, to say "why dont you develop your own" when youre using ad hom against someone elses contribution-- not just anikins (which is beating a dead horse) now sailor, too? nonetheless, the critique of your approach is fairly sound and logical.

Quote:
you still have not answered me as to how the modulo 90-9-1 was obtained.


i gave you the best answer that was available to me-- if thats not enough or you missed it, look back. the 90-9-1 is a starting point, and only multiplies (increases) the number of some other datapoint, so i would think it is welcome.

Quote:
Finally, in the word emotion there is the word motion. Emotions are what move people,
even to get facts. If you're pessimistic you'll see the glass half-empty. This is nothing
new. It's just a reminder.


i dont think sailor was being pessimistic-- optimist and pessimist are not the only choices here. he was being more reasonable, which is why calling him a pessimist doesnt make a lot of sense.

incidentally, youre also free to critique my approach as well as sailors. i hope you will do so reasonably, however. so far i think youve critiqued more than one approach, and i feel it was reasonable to critique the critique.

to be tongue-in-cheek for the sake of a point, you are optimistic when it comes to puppy stats but perhaps you are pessimistic when it comes to others intentions? sailor is the only "pessimist" here you havent also accused of trolling, so i interpret this as part of a pattern.

we arent likely to get a definitive number from this thread, so its fine that the answers will differ. i still dont think sailor is a pessimist. even if he is-- i think he poses legitimate questions and data. id also like to know where he gets his facts about sf, but its more out of curiosity than anything else.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 17:34    Post subject:  

Hey, learhow2code.

I was presenting in good faith what I thought were reasonable arguments.

Defend whatever widow or orphan or friend you think I'm attacking.

My ultimate goal is to make Puppy a better distro and to boost morale here.

I have no time for "ad hominem's", real or perceived. See them wherever you like,
discover as many as you like and whenever you please. Please be my guest.

This is still a free world! Think what you like!

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 17:49    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
I have no time for "ad hominem's", real or perceived. See them wherever you like, discover as many as you like and whenever you please. Please be my guest.

This is still a free world! Think what you like!


ok well in that case, would you stop calling people trolls when you dont agree with them? me included. of course youre free to do so, but not without counter criticism (and your usual dodging that follows.)

its your habit/pattern of doing that on multiple occasions which led me to perceive youre leaning on ad hom here, taking time out to call sailor a pessimist. (maybe he is-- you just lean on that sort of argument a lot.)

nice to know youre using your time for better things from now on-- thats called progress! and thats good news.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 18:43    Post subject:  

Sorry, my post was indeed negative Laughing , though I do share 01micko's views that Sourceforge sucks (especially after this).
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 18:56    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
Sorry, my post was indeed negative Laughing , though I do share 01micko's views that Sourceforge sucks (especially after this).


i think they have changed owners since then. thats not (automatically) the same as reforming, though its definitely worthy of mention. the way sf was run over the past few years was appalling.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 19:00    Post subject:  

@learnhow2code:
Do I need to repeat myself?

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2016, 19:07    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
@learnhow2code:
Do I need to repeat myself?


youre going to need to add something, if you want me to take your claim seriously. but since you already said im free to my opinion (and you dont have time for the perceptions of others-- feel free to repeat any of that) why would you bother wasting time on it now?

by your own words its a non-issue, is it not?

heck, to answer your question (quoted in this post) -- you tell me! or dont; i certainly cant decide that for you.
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