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What do you think about Rox?
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What do you think about Rox?
I like it!
50%
 50%  [ 32 ]
I don't like it!
14%
 14%  [ 9 ]
workz for me
20%
 20%  [ 13 ]
not mad about it but will tolerate it
11%
 11%  [ 7 ]
i dont love it, but i can understand why people would like it
3%
 3%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 63

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Pete


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 20:38    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
..... If I ever feel so ill as to want something that needlessly updates itself into oblivion, I'll get a Chromebook. (Actually, no, I'll seek a psychological consult.)


There is always Mac OS. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 20:40    Post subject:  

so if you download an iso to the desktop and click on its icon, what happens?
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 20:42    Post subject:  

Well, a "Lisa" used to be the robotic therapist on early Mac 2's. Very Happy
You could ask her anything, and she always had an answer!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 20:46    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Well, a "Lisa" used to be the robotic therapist on early Mac 2's. Very Happy
You could ask her anything, and she always had an answer!!!!


Anyone that uses a mac often will certainly be in need of some therapy, robotic or otherwise. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 20:48    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:
so if you download an iso to the desktop and click on its icon, what happens?


I assume you are asking starhawk.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 21:24    Post subject:  

Voted for 'I Like it!'.

Especially for the RoxApps.

Without the Rox desktop and Rox filer you can't use RoxApps - which is a pretty good feature/base to create self-contained applications.

On my list of preferred favorite applications types, .sfs files is on top.

RoxApps is 2nd in that list!
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 21:26    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:
so if you download an iso to the desktop and click on its icon, what happens?


Single-click selects, double-click mounts.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 21:47    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Single-click selects, double-click mounts.


if your pup can do that without rox then im not sure how to define puppy. i always started with rox:

light: yes
.pet support: yes of course but thats not difficult
.deb support: in dpup at least
puppy init: probably?

frugal/squashfs: yes, but so does ubuntu and refracta
live-centric: yes
rox: no?
toram: sometimes, but so does debian and refracta

savefile: probably (but remastering is becoming an alternative for some of us)
various puppy scripts: yes
supported on this forum: yes
uses ____% of some other puppy, or woof-ce: possibly

if puppy was cloned, how would you know its puppy without rox? sorry for taking it ot. perhaps sailor will be kind enough to create another topic Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 21:58    Post subject:  

Pete wrote:
musher0 wrote:
Well, a "Lisa" used to be the robotic therapist on early Mac 2's. Very Happy
You could ask her anything, and she always had an answer!!!!


Anyone that uses a mac often will certainly be in need of some therapy, robotic or otherwise. Very Happy

LMHO!

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 22:27    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:
if puppy was cloned, how would you know its puppy without rox?


To answer your question, in your own words --

learnhow2code wrote:
light: yes
.pet support: yes of course but thats not difficult
.deb support: in dpup at least
puppy init: probably?

frugal/squashfs: yes, but so does ubuntu and refracta
live-centric: yes
rox: no?
toram: sometimes, but so does debian and refracta

savefile: probably (but remastering is becoming an alternative for some of us)
various puppy scripts: yes
supported on this forum: yes
uses ____% of some other puppy, or woof-ce: possibly


The three things in there which are extraneous are -- forum support, ROX-Filer, and *.deb support. Wary Puppy, and (AFAIK) all versions of Puppy prior to 5.0 (which is to say, all 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x Puppies) have limited support for non-dotPET packages. Heck, 5.x versions of Slacko Puppy get confused by modern (post-12.04 IIRC) *.deb packages! (Whenever Ubuntu switched to XZ compression is when it broke. I have had this happen on older X-Slacko Pups as well.)

There is also one thing you left out -- small ISO size. Note that this is not the same as lightweight! Resource usage and ISO size only very roughly correlate. X-Tahr 1b3 is significantly slower than 'pure' TahrPup 602, because of the added weight of XFCE -- but it's only ~70mb 'heavier' on the ISO. Most slightly older (late 5.x) versions of Puppy can fit on a MiniCD (210 MB) -- and almost all can fit on a standard CD (650/700 MB depending on cost and quality). OTOH, even Mint now requires a DVD -- and it's still considered a light distro! Harrumph.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jul 2016, 23:14    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
There is also one thing you left out -- small ISO size.


there were always big puppies, at least since puppy 2 or so. it may be a common feature, but its still a pup when its oversized.

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OTOH, even Mint now requires a DVD -- and it's still considered a light distro! Harrumph.


i started to have dvds on hand for the following reasons: it was getting rare to find something that wouldnt boot them, it was getting easier to find writable dvds vs cds at stores, and they have the data in the middle, rather than the top.

that said, i dont mind writing 200mb to a dvd. its certainly faster.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jul 2016, 00:02    Post subject:  

Can we steer the pony back in the ROX-Filer corral? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jul 2016, 00:18    Post subject:  

"it will do" is why Rox was selected for Puppy in the very beginning.
Also, Puppy was originally designed to be small in size.

Like anything it takes using something to learn how it works.

You can configure it if you take the time to do it.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jul 2016, 02:14    Post subject:  

out of personal interest, ive looked all over the forum for stuff about rox. ive removed things that were vague or (unintentionally) misleading, ie things that seem like complaints or praise though in context are closer to the opposite. ive also removed anything from the single most vocal critic of rox--

(otherwise it would have an effect of "stuffing the ballot box, although there is no extraordinarily heavy advocacy for or against rox on the
forum.) ive tried avoiding a multiple comments from repeat users for the same reason. nonetheless, this is just a sample:

to avoid easy ad-hom ive removed the names from the quotes.


i had a quote that says "i think rox sux to be honest" and somehow it didnt make the cut, though it wasnt the most vocal critic Smile


likes:

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i personally like ROX and PCManFM


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I'd add "Rox". Once you're used to it, using another file-manager is a pain in the ass.


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I love Rox. I use it all the time, doing a lot of programming with RoxApps. They are wonderful.


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JWM is as light and fast as it gets. (In Puppy. Because of the Rox desktop setup). I'd give Icewm a good second, with Lxde close behind. Then Openbox. Xfce and E16 next.


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Rox is the better File Manager ever created, in my opinion. However i recognize that two panels FM is useful.


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ROX is a lot faster than other file managers and has a lot of features for its tiny size



incidental:

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I have Rox filer for such work with much more detail given by rox filer


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The are draggable and droppable in Rox Filer, in the other file managers not so much.


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The puppy installer will use an iso if it is mounted instead of a CD so one could use the universal installer but copying the files with Rox-filer for example is simpler for me.



standard vs. non-standard in puppy:

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Not even all Slackos are alike. Which Slacko version -- 5.x or 6.x? which "x"? Does it use Jwm Window Manager & Rox Filemanager; Xfce Window Manager & Thunar File-Manager; Openbox-Lx Window Manager & Pcmanfm File-manager?


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Open that ISO with ROX or Thunar (or whatever filemanager)


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pupcamera is very rox dependent and uses rox switches that pcmanfm does not support....


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[*]Open ROX (or your filemanager)


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The XFCE puppies have a distinctively different menu structure and look from a traditional JWM/ROX puppy. The Thunar file manager is also very different from ROX. That's why it's X-. Some of us love it and having used it for a time wouldn't go back for anything. There's always the classic Tahr, Slacko, and Xenial pups for the original flavor, and LXDE based puppies for yet another. Choice is Puppy, Puppy is choice.


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A number of recent shots don't look 'puppyish' - as number of modern puplets do follow the rule "the world spreads out way beyond" (c) not only jwm but rox-desktop too.

The power of Puppy is that it can look like big Linux still remaining little, fast and cute Puppy Wink


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The tray icon is part of lxqt-panel. I prefer not to have too much mucking that depends on a particular panel - we already depends too much on Rox.


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This is how I've chosen to tackle Puppy's close reliance on rox-filer....these days it should probably be defaultfilemanager in most scripts - but there's a lot to change - and unfortunately the cli switches are not 100% the same for different file managers....



praise for alternatives:

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I liked Thunar very much, but Rox filer seems to be the one the developers go with, so I was wondering about refinements in the woof git ce thing..


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I think the secret is that it (Lxde) doesn't use Rox. Laughing


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I've been using Thunar file manager since having switched over from Puppy (in which I used Rox). Got used to thunar now and like it. Thunar mounts drives OK (rox doesn't) in e17.


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Thanks for this. Much better than Rox.
I noticed that some of the file associations were pointing to programs I don't have, like Firefox for opening html files. I change them as I find them..


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Is the desktop JWM/rox only? I'm not really a fan (I prefer openbox with a few tools & tint2 - it just looks swell).



points of interest:

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I also prefer ROX working the old way - even if it's not so convenient, at least it's less prone to accidental overwrites.


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It would be really nice if ROX would revert back to its original behaviour regarding copy/over-write.


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With certain files, Rox Filer has a hard time detecting which program must use to open them. The problem seems to be that it checks the type of file not by looking on the file name termination, but on something called "Mime types".

As a result, different kind of files, with different file extensions, can share the same Mime type and therefore Rox will not allow them to open with different programs: if you change the default action for one of them with the "Set run action" option, it will change for both, so one of them will be wrong.

The baseline result is that you cannot open one of those files by simply clicking on them or press enter; it will open with a wrong program and generate a weird error, so you have to select them, press "!" for the execute command, and write the name of the appropriate program time after time. A drag and a continuous source of errors.

Here is a recent way I found to circumvent that problem; for those programs who share the same Mime type, we'll send control to a bash script, which will the one in charge of doing the checking and execute the correct program.


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This is largely a proof-of-concept app that addresses the following issue. Suppose you have a batch of files in folder A. You want to copy them to Folder B which contains files with the same names. All file managers will recognize the situation and give you the message "Do you want to over-write this file?". Because you are copying multiple files, there should also be a "Yes to all" option. Unfortunately, this doesn't work properly in ROX, making you answer "Yes" to each file before it is copied.

In some versions of ROX, this problem has been "solved" by removing the "Do you want to over-write this file?" message for ALL file copying. This can lead to dangerous unintended consequences.

The NoWarningCopy tool simply performs the batch copy with no prompting.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jul 2016, 05:25    Post subject:  

I voted "it works for me". I should add "95% of the time". The remaining 5% of the time my usage needs very specific tools, like file/directory comparison, web uploads, packing/unpacking, etc. so I make do with other programs.
I think that 95% usage coverage from such a small and swift program is very good.
I agree with Lazy Puppy that RoxApps are a great feature.
I've been using jun7's modded version of rox (it's on GitHub) for about two months now. It improves usability in many ways, adds some useful new feature, and fixes some legacy bugs. I build it for Fatdog64. If you're a Fatdog64 user, PM me if you're interested -- sorry, I simply have no time to look into other Puppies.

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