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What do you think about Rox?
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What do you think about Rox?
I like it!
50%
 50%  [ 32 ]
I don't like it!
14%
 14%  [ 9 ]
workz for me
20%
 20%  [ 13 ]
not mad about it but will tolerate it
11%
 11%  [ 7 ]
i dont love it, but i can understand why people would like it
3%
 3%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 63

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TyroBGinner

Joined: 30 Mar 2016
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 07:09    Post subject:  

Wow, I was obviously talking about the fact that file names are often far too long for a reasonably sized window, and the window must be widened to reveal the boundary of the file name column which can then be moved in order to reduce the column width. Web browsing is not part of this. And who uses anything but the list view anyway? It is very surprising that no one mentioned this problem above - hence my message.

And why can't rox remember new column widths and new column order arrangements? MS Windows is far superior in these regards.
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 07:24    Post subject:  

TyroBGinner wrote:
why can't rox remember new column widths and new column order arrangements?


and why cant ascii 9 work like <td> does in html? (other than it being unsupported in vt100.) why do i have to write out the html tags and then open with elinks -dump? of course it should be off by default and something you can change with setterm.

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TyroBGinner

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 07:35    Post subject:  

I understood very little of that.
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 10:16    Post subject:  

TyroBGinner wrote:
Wow, I was obviously talking about the fact that file names are often far too long for a reasonably sized window, and the window must be widened to reveal the boundary of the file name column which can then be moved in order to reduce the column width. Web browsing is not part of this. And who uses anything but the list view anyway? It is very surprising that no one mentioned this problem above - hence my message.

lol I actually had no idea that's what you meant, or even considered the possibility that this is what you could have meant, but agree my reply went off on a completely unrelated tangent to Rox. I usually only switch to list view quickly when I want to sort files by date, I'd say I spend 98% of the time in large icons, and I find it a lot easier to delete or copy groups of files in it as well.
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jlst

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 12:45    Post subject:  

Unlike JWM, rox hasn't been updated to address issues reported by users since 2009 i guess.

JWM has seen some heavy development in the last 3 years. That's why i still use it, it does a good job. Joe knew there was a community behind that was ready to test his work.

A rational, sane person would have discarded rox by now, because of the scandalous lack of development.

However i see there are forks that fixed one or two bugs, users have to pay attention and report issues there, and donate 300 dollars to the developers to give them enough inspiration to fix the remaining bugs, or rox features

I guess i can edit some rox defaults, as starhawk said, the keyboard shortcuts are "too special", the single click behavior is not as common as the double click, and the window autoresizing forces you to keep playing with the pointer like there's no tomorrow
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jlst

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 13:18    Post subject:  

Looking at the sfs_load code, there are about 300 lines to deal with the puppyPin... or rox pinboard or desktop

It would be awesome to see rox use standard .desktop files in /root/Desktop and monitor that dir to automatically add/remove icons just like pcmanfm --desktop... life would be easier

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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 13:21    Post subject:  

jlst wrote:
the single click behavior is not as common as the double click, and the window autoresizing forces you to keep playing with the pointer like there's no tomorrow


yeah thats what i hate about the autoresizing. also, if i put a window somewhere... i prefer single-click in general, but imo roxs handling of single-click... possibly "too responsive." although im using it right now and at least its not as over-responsive as i keep thinking.

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jlst

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 13:30    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:

yeah thats what i hate about the autoresizing. also, if i put a window somewhere... i prefer single-click in general, but imo roxs handling of single-click... possibly "too responsive." although im using it right now and at least its not as over-responsive as i keep thinking.

Also people might think that rox+jwm is the only lightweight solution. I have pcmanfm+jwm working just fine, no extra lxde dependencies, just the bare minimun and i think it's faster than rox overall (icon caching disabled), specially when loading directories in the detailed view.
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 14:00    Post subject:  

jlst wrote:
I have pcmanfm+jwm working just fine, no extra lxde dependencies, just the bare minimun and i think it's faster than rox overall (icon caching disabled), specially when loading directories in the detailed view.


how much effort would it take to get your pcmanfm setup working in say, puppy tahr? what version of pcmanfm do you use, what changes did you make to config? what aux scripts (desktop icon updater, .desktop files-- which are not scripts, etc.) are needed? (is there a .pet or even a .tar.gz?)
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 14:21    Post subject:  

learnhow2code wrote:
how much effort would it take to get your pcmanfm setup working in say, puppy tahr? what version of pcmanfm do you use, what changes did you make to config? what aux scripts (desktop icon updater, .desktop files-- which are not scripts, etc.) are needed? (is there a .pet or even a .tar.gz?)

I remember SpaceFM was really easy to add to slacko. This was the pet I tried:
http://smokey01.com/saluki/pet_packages-saluki/spacefm-0.7.1-i486.pet
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jlst

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 14:24    Post subject: 7  

learnhow2code wrote:
jlst wrote:
I have pcmanfm+jwm working just fine, no extra lxde dependencies, just the bare minimun and i think it's faster than rox overall (icon caching disabled), specially when loading directories in the detailed view.


how much effort would it take to get your pcmanfm setup working in say, puppy tahr? what version of pcmanfm do you use, what changes did you make to config? what aux scripts (desktop icon updater, .desktop files-- which are not scripts, etc.) are needed? (is there a .pet or even a .tar.gz?)

Definitely not that easy, as it's a complete change of paradigm, i still have my heavily customized precise install where i do almost everything. i haven't ported it to anywhere else, i started with lxpup_by_sfs, something like that, then i gradually changed many things to be able to switch between rox and lxpup, then to switch between lxpup and jwm+pcmanfm... and basically that's the only place i have it working so far haha.

i'm using pcmanfm 1.2.3. My desktop looks like this:https://s33.postimg.org/5it4g6htb/capture29126.jpg

From the puppy tray apps, i only keep retrovol, and i have almost all services disabled (cups, etc). It's really fast, the fastest thing i have, that's why i can't stop using it.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 15:00    Post subject:  

Does anyone ever look at the Rox options and see what the options can be set to give you a completely different look to a Rox window and how Rox works.

Rox comes with default settings.
A lot of them can be adjusted in the options.
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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 15:08    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Does anyone ever look at the Rox options and see what the options can be set to give you a completely different look to a Rox window and how Rox works.

Rox comes with default settings.
A lot of them can be adjusted in the options.


yes-- ive made that point in the thread that inspired this poll, and probably in this thread too.

not all of the gripes about rox can be fixed by changing defaults-- though many of the most common gripes absolutely can, which is why its beneficial to point this out again and again.
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jlst

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 15:57    Post subject:  

I reported 3 important issues at the jun7's rox git repo.

Copy and paste facility (right click menu)
https://github.com/jun7/rox-filer/issues/136

Use standard .desktop files in ~/Desktop for ROX pinboard #137
https://github.com/jun7/rox-filer/issues/137

Horizontal scrollbar
https://github.com/jun7/rox-filer/issues/138

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That's all i can do, and i must admit that somehow i want rox to remain as the default file manager/desktop, so that many users don't see the full potential of puppy, somehow i feel like i'm special or part of a elite squad
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2016, 16:11    Post subject:  

jlst wrote:
That's all i can do, and i must admit that somehow i want rox to remain as the default file manager/desktop, so that many users don't see the full potential of puppy, somehow i feel like i'm special or part of a elite squad

I think that's sort of akin to saying "people on Windows 7 don't know what they're missing on Windows 8". Some of them DO know what they're "missing" and are happy not to have it. Very Happy I don't understand what the first git request is for. The right-click menu works? But you talk about keyboard shortcuts, same as what starhawk did. I click on copy, then change the name, and it works. Or I drag the file into another window to copy and it works. I'll have to read starhawk's post in more detail I guess.
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