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Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
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greengeek


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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 19:38    Post subject:  Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
Subject description: "Must haves" and "would likes"
 

As puppy progresses it becomes able to handle new hardware, and also new software. But do we always need these new programs? I am interested for Puppians to list exactly what programs (or functions) they consider "must haves" and also what programs (or functions) they would like to use if they could.

Maybe a program you need is not available for your version of puppy? Maybe the only reason you have to go looking for a new Puppy is that you have to find one that supports a specific program?

Have you been forced to upgrade from an older Puppy just to get the ability to use a certain program?

I prefer not to upgrade my operating system if i can possibly avoid it - and that means I am reliant on developers making available the programs I rely on. I try to stick to simple, basic functionality.

Here is my list:

Word Processing
- Love the simplicity of Leafpad.
- Love the functionality of Geany.
- I use mostly Softmaker Textmaker for more complex work.
- I use Libreoffice if I have to (where Textmaker lacks some ability or other)
- It is a long time since I found any advantages with using Abiword and I don't recall what I last used it for. (It's biggest problem for me was that Abiword and Textmaker used different ways of handling rtf files - corrupting each others files - so I decided to stick with Textmaker)

Scanning and OCR
- xsane scanner
- peasyscan - for OCR info and pic2txt see here

PDF creation and manipulation
- I create pdfs using Textmaker.
- I use Peasy pdf for extraction and assembly of documents.
- Very occasionally use masterpdfeditor or xournal for specific needs.

Graphics
- Hardly ever use anything other than mtPaint
- Temporarily load Inkscape full if I need vector graphics.
- PeasyGlue for image joining.

CAD drawing:
- Librecad does what I need.

Audio:
- Peasymp3
- Deadbeef
- Pmusic
- mhwaveedit

Network:
- Minidlna to stream audio

Internet:
- 99% use Firefox 17 ESR
- Occasionally use Slimjet for troublesome sites.
- Sticking with Skype 4.2 for the few times I ever talk via internet.

Screencapture
- T.A.S for still screenshots.
- SimpleScreenRecorder handles what I need in the way of video capture but I'm always looking at other methods (since SSR requires QT which is not in all my puppies)

Other:
- Uextract for file zipping/unzipping

EDIT : Here's some extras that spring to mind as others mention them:

- Gparted (I have version 0.14.1)
- Syslinux 3.7.3 (Newer versions than that cause me boot problems on some hardware)

What are your tips for successfully staying on an old Puppy instead of having to "upgrade" to a later one? How do you keep your old programs running?

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learnhow2code

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 20:44    Post subject: Re: Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
Subject description: "Must haves" and "would likes"
 

greengeek wrote:
do we always need these new programs?


imagine a web made out of rubber bands, with beads as nodes:

Code:

  \ \ / /
 \-o-o-o-/
  ><X|X><
 /-o-o-o-\
  / / \ \


some of the nodes are the kernel, some are modules, some are libraries, and some are core software components (like bash)

theres a little give in most of these nodes, so changing some of them doesnt always require changing others. thats the rubber bands-- they connect the nodes but they stretch.

sometimes the kernel has to be updated to support hardware.

sometimes the libraries have to be updated to support software.

sometimes the libraries or other software expect other stuff to be compatible.

you can only stretch the bands so far before something breaks, unless you bring the other nodes closer to what youve upgraded.

the "proof" is that we use not only the 3.x kernel instead of 2.x, but that we use puppy from the past few years (well, a lot of us do) instead of puppy from 8 years ago. again: mostly.

one of the important things about core components is security updates.
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 20:48    Post subject:  

yassm network

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 21:49    Post subject:  

Hello greengeek,

Not an answer to your thread question, but related. Following some earlier comments you made elsewhere, I've been trying out my new AV+screencast app in Slacko 5.6. As you say, the ffmpeg in there doesn't recognise newer ffmpeg options asyncts or thread_queue_size. Not a problem, since I use a simple plugin system for changing ffmpeg code lines, so I took these options out of the relevant plugins. However, these are important and useful new options which prevent the old Alsa buffer xrun errors and also force video and audio streams to keep sync. The net result is my new program will successfully record an audio stream, or a video stream, or your webcam, but will not successfully record audio/video at the same time. You'd need newer ffmpeg for that.

I presume SimpleScreenRecorder, which directly interfaces to underlying ffmpeg libs, works fine on your Slacko 5.6 system? Or are you using that with a different Pup distribution?

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 22:32    Post subject:  

Good thread, this, greengeek.

In view of the Puduan project, it couldn't have come at a better time for me! Smile

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 23:14    Post subject:  

Wrong thread, sorry. (Message moved to proper thread.)
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 23:42    Post subject:  

- Leafpad
- Gnome Mplayer
- Mtpaint
- Old Firefox (before Austalis)
- Xarchive (with tar, gz, xz, zip, etc.)
- Gparted and grub4dos (only needed if MS is still on the hard drive)

Extras:
- Timidity (to play midis)
- Take-A-Shot (for automatic capturing of windows)
- Dosbox
- XChat
- Wine (maybe...)

My list is huge Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 23:46    Post subject:  

mcewanw wrote:
I presume SimpleScreenRecorder, which directly interfaces to underlying ffmpeg libs, works fine on your Slacko 5.6 system? Or are you using that with a different Pup distribution?
Thanks for the heads up re lack of sync with old ffmpeg version. I use SSR only on a Slacko 5.6 derivative so far but to be honest I have not recorded a lengthy enough clip to be able to identify any loss of syncing. I need to test this and report any untoward outcome in the relevant thread. What would you consider an appropriate recording time (or other parameter) to reveal this symptom?
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Aug 2016, 23:49    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
- Old Firefox (before Austalis)
Any idea which exact version that is? Keen to know what people find still works well for them. I recall mikeb was still running FF 3.6 last time he posted (where has he gone??)
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PostPosted: Wed 17 Aug 2016, 00:15    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
mcewanw wrote:
I presume SimpleScreenRecorder, which directly interfaces to underlying ffmpeg libs, works fine on your Slacko 5.6 system? Or are you using that with a different Pup distribution?
Thanks for the heads up re lack of sync with old ffmpeg version. I use SSR only on a Slacko 5.6 derivative so far but to be honest I have not recorded a lengthy enough clip to be able to identify any loss of syncing. I need to test this and report any untoward outcome in the relevant thread. What would you consider an appropriate recording time (or other parameter) to reveal this symptom?


With old ffmpeg, recording audio and video together at same time hardly works at all. Even a short clip of a few tens of seconds would be enough to guage how well SSR is coping with syncing. New ffmpeg with asynts supports syncs very well indeed - I'd expect SSR to internally manage something similar.

The main reason I encoded audio and video as totally separate tracks in pAVrecord, and then merged them at the end, was to allow compensation for the sync issues. It worked okay, but I could now improve the libx264 encoding parameters in that. My new app records both audio and video at same time, so sync is crucial.

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Aug 2016, 02:46    Post subject:  

mcewanw wrote:
With old ffmpeg, recording audio and video together at same time hardly works at all. Even a short clip of a few tens of seconds would be enough to guage how well SSR is coping with syncing.
I just did a fullscreen test (1280x800) of 2minutes 20seconds and the syncing was perfect. Quite happy with that. Looks as if a longer recording would probably be fine - there was no loss of sync at all.
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PostPosted: Wed 17 Aug 2016, 04:05    Post subject:  

Although not all necessary, my view is that puppy's applications are so small that all of them can stay. The only application that is "problematic" is Abiword. That thing has never been stable and it does mess up some of your files. The default media player can play everything so no need for any additional audio players. In the end it all comes down to user preference. I use some smallish Windows programs with Wine which have served me well over the years. Programs like: Atlantis Word Processor, 2nd Speech Center, XMPlay, Irfanview, SumatraPDF, AllerCalc,uTorrent, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed 17 Aug 2016, 11:12    Post subject: Re: Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
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greengeek wrote:
As puppy progresses it becomes able to handle new hardware, and also new software. But do we always need these new programs? I am interested for Puppians to list exactly what programs (or functions) they consider "must haves" and also what programs (or functions) they would like to use if they could.



I will mostly list things I do rather than programs

* Browse the web
** watching videos
** https for banking

* edit pictures
** Taking them from my phone as though it is a memory stick

* edit videos
** Taking them from my phone as though it is a memory stick
** Taking them from a webcam
** taking them from a youtube video

* edit sounds

* make spreadsheets

* make text documents

* Run LTSpice specifically

* Design circuit schematics

* Design circuit PCBs
** Using Express PCB specifically
** Making standard gerber outputs
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PostPosted: Wed 17 Aug 2016, 15:05    Post subject: Re: Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
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Moose On The Loose wrote:
* Run LTSpice specifically
* Design circuit schematics
* Design circuit PCBs
** Using Express PCB specifically
** Making standard gerber outputs
Is there a specific pup that you use for these programs?
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Aug 2016, 11:16    Post subject: Re: Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?
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greengeek wrote:
Moose On The Loose wrote:
* Run LTSpice specifically
* Design circuit schematics
* Design circuit PCBs
** Using Express PCB specifically
** Making standard gerber outputs


Is there a specific pup that you use for these programs?


I run on 528
LTSpice runs perfectly well under wine due to efforts made by the nice folks at Linear.

On my google drive there is a Linux native Kicad.
SFS:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B63vE6V2gS-Qclk4RndGOU5icG8

PET:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B63vE6V2gS-QN0lTWV9CLTJDajg

ngspice pet
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B63vE6V2gS-QVGFkdjFDMTJhcEU

xcircuit
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B63vE6V2gS-QQ2wyaFhlVXZnRzg

These days, I run the windows version under wine more often
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