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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 08:22    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
Remember to compile mhwaveedit for the new audio mixer
Code:
./configure --with-default-mixerapp=aumixer --prefix=/usr


Actually, it should be "--with-default-mixerapp=defaultaudiomixer"

OK, I will compile it.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 08:31    Post subject:  

matty wrote:
DavidS wrote:
I think I may have found a small bug of importance. Not an area I know very well:

When attempting to set the time from a server it gets it wrong every time.

It has set the time to the 3rd of this month, early afternoon 10 times this morning.

I do not know a thing about that kind of software on Linux (never had a use of it before the Raspberry Pi). I did try all the servers you include to be sure of error.


Hi DavidS,
I am using RPI2 as my desktop; switched across from Raspbian as soon as BarryK added LibreOffice to his Quirky 8.0.25 alpha (thank you for this Barry). Quirky is an excellent and full featured desktop environment. There are other advantages of Quirky/puppy/fatdogARM like being able to easily mount/unmount various USBsticks on the rpi. Plus all the great info on this forum.

I had same issue as you with timesync not working. I fixed it by the following (although I don’t know which one did the trick!):

1. Install these two extra packages (and all their dependencies – do this via the Puppy Package Manager ("install" icon on the desktop opens the PPM):
ntp_4.2.8p4+dfsg
fake-hwclock_0.9

2. Reboot pi and then open Menu>System>Boot Manager configure boot up. Click on the “..services to run at boot..” icon. Ensure “ntp” is ticked in the boot manager list of things to start up on boot.

3. In Geany (text editor) open this text file in /etc/rc.d directory:
/etc/rc.d/rc.local
then add the following line to the end of the file:
ntpd start

4. In Geany open another text file in /etc directory:
/etc/ntp.conf
then add the following line to the beginning of the file:
tinker panic 0

FYI, No 1 gives the rpi a fake clock and remembers the last time you logged off, since the rpi doesn’t have a built-in system clock. No 2 & 3 start the ntp service and retrieves the date and time from the ntp server/s you have listed in the ntp.conf file. No 4 tells the ntp service not to panic if the time is too big a difference (I think?).

If you don’t have any servers listed in the ntp.conf file, these are the ones I added:
pool 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst


Interesting, thanks for that info.

At first bootup, QuickSetup window has a checkbox to sync date and time to the Internet. This is using 'Psync', which can also be run from the menu:
Desktop -> Psync time server synchronisation

Which I tried recently, it doesn't seem to work.

Quirky has the latest version, 2.10:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42978

...version 2.10 is posted on page 8 of that forum thread.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 08:51    Post subject:  

More shiny new things for Quirky:

SimpleVLC: http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00440

Inkscape: http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00439

Maybe, if we can get Internet time sync sorted out, Quirky will be ready to be announced on the Raspberry Pi forum.

Though, my SimpleVLC is rather immature, only able to play local files.
It is actually quite a simple script, the structure is in place for adding more features, and someone might get inspired to add more stuff like Internet streaming.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 09:12    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
matty wrote:
DavidS wrote:
I think I may have found a small bug of importance. Not an area I know very well:

When attempting to set the time from a server it gets it wrong every time.

It has set the time to the 3rd of this month, early afternoon 10 times this morning.

I do not know a thing about that kind of software on Linux (never had a use of it before the Raspberry Pi). I did try all the servers you include to be sure of error.


Hi DavidS,
I am using RPI2 as my desktop; switched across from Raspbian as soon as BarryK added LibreOffice to his Quirky 8.0.25 alpha (thank you for this Barry). Quirky is an excellent and full featured desktop environment. There are other advantages of Quirky/puppy/fatdogARM like being able to easily mount/unmount various USBsticks on the rpi. Plus all the great info on this forum.

I had same issue as you with timesync not working. I fixed it by the following (although I don’t know which one did the trick!):

1. Install these two extra packages (and all their dependencies – do this via the Puppy Package Manager ("install" icon on the desktop opens the PPM):
ntp_4.2.8p4+dfsg
fake-hwclock_0.9

2. Reboot pi and then open Menu>System>Boot Manager configure boot up. Click on the “..services to run at boot..” icon. Ensure “ntp” is ticked in the boot manager list of things to start up on boot.

3. In Geany (text editor) open this text file in /etc/rc.d directory:
/etc/rc.d/rc.local
then add the following line to the end of the file:
ntpd start

4. In Geany open another text file in /etc directory:
/etc/ntp.conf
then add the following line to the beginning of the file:
tinker panic 0

FYI, No 1 gives the rpi a fake clock and remembers the last time you logged off, since the rpi doesn’t have a built-in system clock. No 2 & 3 start the ntp service and retrieves the date and time from the ntp server/s you have listed in the ntp.conf file. No 4 tells the ntp service not to panic if the time is too big a difference (I think?).

If you don’t have any servers listed in the ntp.conf file, these are the ones I added:
pool 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org iburst


Interesting, thanks for that info.

At first bootup, QuickSetup window has a checkbox to sync date and time to the Internet. This is using 'Psync', which can also be run from the menu:
Desktop -> Psync time server synchronisation

Which I tried recently, it doesn't seem to work.

Quirky has the latest version, 2.10:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42978

...version 2.10 is posted on page 8 of that forum thread.


Was reading the docs for Psync, discovered that the 'ntpdate' utility, required by Psync, is missing.

The 'ntpdate' DEB is included in the build, however woofQ expected the utility to be in /usr/bin, whereas the DEB has it in /usr/sbin, and it got left out of the build.

Fixed. Hopefully, Psync will now work!

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 13:04    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:

Maybe, if we can get Internet time sync sorted out, Quirky will be ready to be announced on the Raspberry Pi forum.


Oops, I jumped the gun by a couple of days. Sorry.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 13:24    Post subject:  

I do not know if it matters to anyone else, though I use OpenScad quite a bit and it would be nice if the needed libs could be added to the Repo for Quirky Xerus ARMv7? I had to manually install a few .deb packages:

Code:

libboost-filesystem1.55.0_1.55.0+dfsg-3_armhf.deb
libboost-program-options1.55.0_1.55.0+dfsg-3_armhf.deb
libboost-regex1.55.0_1.55.0+dfsg-3_armhf.deb
libboost-system1.55.0_1.55.0+dfsg-3_armhf.deb
libboost-thread1.55.0_1.55.0+dfsg-3_armhf.deb
libcgal10_4.5-2_armhf.deb
libglew1.10_1.10.0-3_armhf.deb
libopencsg1_1.3.2-2+b1_armhf.deb
libqt4-opengl_4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3+deb8u1_armhf.deb
libqt4-opengl_4.8.7+dfsg-9_armhf.deb
openscad_2014.03+dfsg-1_armhf.deb


So if not to much to ask, and you think enough people would use them would it be to much to ask for these to be put in the Repo to be available form PPM?
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 17:29    Post subject:  

Here is how I connected to a home network , linux or Windows.

Plug in my USB wifi adaptor to pi2 board. Fortunately my adaptor allows hot pluging.

Right click on network tray icon to configure the settings.
Choose Barry's Simple Network Setup

I was surprised to see my driver was listed 'carl9170' (see image)





Click wlan0 button.

A list of networks available is shown.
Choose your home wifi network and security protocol(WPA) and password of your home wifi network.

The connection should take about 15 seconds.

Use YASSM share search to search for a SAMBA or Windows share folder. Click 'Select' icon.

If everything went well then the share folder should pop up.

______________________________________________


To check if your adaptor driver is loaded...
Go to Start Menu and choose 'Bootmanager configure bootup'




Drivers that are loaded are on the left side.



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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 18:18    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
Here is how I connected to a home network , linux or Windows.

Plug in my USB wifi adaptor to pi2 board. Fortunately my adaptor allows hot pluging.

Right click on network tray icon to configure the settings.
Choose Barry's Simple Network Setup

I was surprised to see my driver was listed 'carl9170' (see image)

Click wlan0 button.

A list of networks available is shown.
Choose your home wifi network and security protocol(WPA) and password of your home wifi network.

The connection should take about 15 seconds.
...


Thanks for posting all the necessary steps. Unfortunately, in my case the connection never happens. My wifi driver is listed and loaded.

Don't worry about it, I will use a wired connection for now, and let this matter sit until I will really need a wifi connection, which won't happen for another a couple of months.

Thanks for helping out.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2016, 04:16    Post subject:  

Version 8.0.98 is uploaded. Might as well designate this as a RC, Release Candidate:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/armv7/releases/rc/


The main issue I think is that the new SimpleVLC is too simple. Only plays local video and audio files.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2016, 08:01    Post subject:  

Oh, just now testing 8.0.98 on the Pi3, OpenMAX hardware accelerated video is not working, only get sound.

I will try again with the Pi2. It was working on the Pi2, but that was version 8.0.27 with some improvements, and perhaps different firmware from 8.0.98.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2016, 08:34    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Oh, just now testing 8.0.98 on the Pi3, OpenMAX hardware accelerated video is not working, only get sound.

I will try again with the Pi2. It was working on the Pi2, but that was version 8.0.27 with some improvements, and perhaps different firmware from 8.0.98.


It seems that this might fix it:

Open a terminal, type:

# ldconfig
# export PATH=$PATH:/opt/vc/bin
# simplevlc

That last line will run SimpleVLC. Choose "OpenMAX" video output, then play a video, it should play full-screen.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2016, 05:06    Post subject:  

Quote:
Version 8.0.98 is uploaded

Getting distinctly heavy for a little RPi guy to handle at ~360Mb .img ! Doing all that singing & dancing costs in terms of real estate. Not to mention the need of watching the heat dissipation/install optional heatsink. Strikes me there's room for a slim-Quirky ~150Mb, perhaps with extra careful app selection and no default options, just PPM? Who's the clever guy on this suggestion? or will we have to leave it to the maestro again?
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2016, 22:45    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Quote:
Version 8.0.98 is uploaded

Getting distinctly heavy for a little RPi guy to handle at ~360Mb .img ! Doing all that singing & dancing costs in terms of real estate. Not to mention the need of watching the heat dissipation/install optional heatsink. Strikes me there's room for a slim-Quirky ~150Mb, perhaps with extra careful app selection and no default options, just PPM? Who's the clever guy on this suggestion? or will we have to leave it to the maestro again?

It is easy to remove extra packages in Puppy Linux, one of its great qualities.

And ~500MB on disk makes this one of the smallest Distros for the RPi (not as small as the x86 puppies I remember weighing in under 90MB). I think the biggest part of that is Open Office, i think that is something like 150MB by itself, and I do prefer AbiWord.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2016, 23:42    Post subject:  

8.0.98 is great. Though so far I have not yet gotten VLC to play video yet. I can get to the first frame, though that is it so far, and yes I have the gpu_mem=256 on my config.txt.

This is on a Raspberry Pi 3B. I am wondering if it has trouble with the hdmi_drive=2 and hdmi_group=2 settings, needed for my monitor. I also have hdmi_mode=23 (1280x768 in hdmi_group=2).
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 07:29    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Oh, just now testing 8.0.98 on the Pi3, OpenMAX hardware accelerated video is not working, only get sound.

I will try again with the Pi2. It was working on the Pi2, but that was version 8.0.27 with some improvements, and perhaps different firmware from 8.0.98.


It seems that this might fix it:

Open a terminal, type:

# ldconfig
# export PATH=$PATH:/opt/vc/bin
# simplevlc

That last line will run SimpleVLC. Choose "OpenMAX" video output, then play a video, it should play full-screen.


Yes, I found that woofQ was running 'ldconfig' too soon in the build, before /opt/vc/lib was installed. Fixed.

On the Pi2, just run 'ldonfig' in a terminal, that fixes it, OpenMAX hard accel then works with the video player.

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