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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 07:41    Post subject:  

DavidS wrote:
8.0.98 is great. Though so far I have not yet gotten VLC to play video yet. I can get to the first frame, though that is it so far, and yes I have the gpu_mem=256 on my config.txt.

This is on a Raspberry Pi 3B. I am wondering if it has trouble with the hdmi_drive=2 and hdmi_group=2 settings, needed for my monitor. I also have hdmi_mode=23 (1280x768 in hdmi_group=2).


Did you run "ldconfig" in a terminal first?

I have tested on both Pi2 and Pi3, OpenMAX hardware accel works.

Test with a low resolution video at first, such as 480p, anything under 720p.

I tested with this one, that I had previously downloaded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7CtmEkaTg

Ah, that is something that we need to test that it still works -- look in the Internet menu, there is a YoutubeDL downloader app.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 07:54    Post subject:  

DavidS wrote:
Sage wrote:
Quote:
Version 8.0.98 is uploaded

Getting distinctly heavy for a little RPi guy to handle at ~360Mb .img ! Doing all that singing & dancing costs in terms of real estate. Not to mention the need of watching the heat dissipation/install optional heatsink. Strikes me there's room for a slim-Quirky ~150Mb, perhaps with extra careful app selection and no default options, just PPM? Who's the clever guy on this suggestion? or will we have to leave it to the maestro again?

It is easy to remove extra packages in Puppy Linux, one of its great qualities.

And ~500MB on disk makes this one of the smallest Distros for the RPi (not as small as the x86 puppies I remember weighing in under 90MB). I think the biggest part of that is Open Office, i think that is something like 150MB by itself, and I do prefer AbiWord.


Yeah, I was aiming for approx equivalence with Raspian, in terms of out-of-the-box functionality. So small size took a back seat.

Considering that Raspian download is 1.3GB, doing pretty well at 360MB.

Maybe Inkscape is an overkill. Openoffice Draw might be an OK SVG editor? -- I don't know, never tried it in that capacity.
Anyone got any experience how those two compare?

If I took out Inkscape, and there are some other places where I can trim the fat, could probably get it down to about 340MB.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 08:39    Post subject: xz  

I can probably keep an xz'd Libreoffice in a USB drive and add it to Quirky Xerus later...

My tests of the 8.0.25 and 8.0.98 both involved corrupted background image, lost icons at next boot (PuppyPin reports an error in line2). While booting, EXT4-fs is reported to have errors. It could be that shutdown is incomplete? The board's red light is on all the time after shutdown.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 11:57    Post subject: Re: xz  

raffy wrote:
I can probably keep an xz'd Libreoffice in a USB drive and add it to Quirky Xerus later...

My tests of the 8.0.25 and 8.0.98 both involved corrupted background image, lost icons at next boot (PuppyPin reports an error in line2). While booting, EXT4-fs is reported to have errors. It could be that shutdown is incomplete? The board's red light is on all the time after shutdown.

Red light is supposed to stay on. It sounds like you may have an SD Card going bad, have you tried with a new SD Card?

I admit I expanded my / partition to fill the 16GB SD that I am using, so not quite standard, though I have had no issues at all with the filesystem.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 12:03    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
DavidS wrote:
8.0.98 is great. Though so far I have not yet gotten VLC to play video yet. I can get to the first frame, though that is it so far, and yes I have the gpu_mem=256 on my config.txt.

This is on a Raspberry Pi 3B. I am wondering if it has trouble with the hdmi_drive=2 and hdmi_group=2 settings, needed for my monitor. I also have hdmi_mode=23 (1280x768 in hdmi_group=2).


Did you run "ldconfig" in a terminal first?

I have tested on both Pi2 and Pi3, OpenMAX hardware accel works.

Test with a low resolution video at first, such as 480p, anything under 720p.

I tested with this one, that I had previously downloaded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7CtmEkaTg

Ah, that is something that we need to test that it still works -- look in the Internet menu, there is a YoutubeDL downloader app.

I have managed to get videos to play, though no sound on my system, followed the instruction of using ldconfig, and exporting the path, still no sound at all in VLC.

May be related though youtube videos in Seamonkey sometimes have garbled sound, it depends on what the sound is supposed to be, some vids are great some have a loud wining over the sound.

I have eliminated all HW causes, trying different Raspberry Pi's, different HDMI cables, and even different HDMI monitors.

My config.txt does contain changes to the video/audio output in order to work with my primary monitor, as such:
Code:

hdmi_drive=2
hdmi_group=2
hdmi_mode=23

These are the same as are needed for Raspbian, RISC OS, and every other OS on the RPi for my monitor. I do change the hdmi_mode setting as this is a fairly low resolution for this monitor.

I do not know what the cause of the issue is yet, though I am still looking.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 19:15    Post subject:  

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I have managed to get videos to play, though no sound on my system


Did you check your headphone jack?


hdmi_group=1
hdmi_mode=4

in my config.txt results in the sound automatically going to the headphones.

OMXplayer 3.7 worked with the newest version of Quirky arm.
It allows the sound to be routed to the TV or the headphones.

Available at www.mydrive.ch
User: porteus@don570
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 20:00    Post subject:  

Here's my review of version 8.0.98

1) Sound was set up automatically to my headphone jack Cool

2) mhwaveedit launches audio mixer Cool

3) leafpad can write a script now Cool

4) OMXplayer 3.7 plays full screen. GIMP and gmic plugin work Cool

5) no nano app

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Next I tried something I hadn't done before. I attached my USB DVD burner
(LG GP30 ) . I had to attach USB power cable to another computer.

Observations: Using the burner as an audio CD player is possible with
zigbert's pCD . It's slow but once the track list is formed the music plays fine.

Asunder will rip the audio CD but it's far too slow to be useful. I would
axe that program.

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I used simple VNC player to play old TV shows burnt on DVD disks.
I couldn't get the OPENMAX setting to work but the other settings worked.
Fullscreen didn't work (except for one frame)

I tried to open the DVD and play but here is the message I got...



However the individual .VOB files will play fine but not full screen.
Sound was clean.
I didn't adjust gpu_mem to be bigger.

Interesting ---> OMXplayer will not play these VOB files on the DVD disk.


Here's VNC playing a burnt TV show...


_______________________________________

Note that there is track list shown when VNC first starts playing , but
it quickly disappears.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 20:16    Post subject:  

I have three suggestions...

Put a button to launch 'set-time-for-puppy' in the initial country settings window during first set up procedure.

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You should put in more links to apps in the OpenWith folder since a list of apps will show when right clicking,
and this list is formed from apps that Rox finds in the OpenWith folder
I suggest links to gtkhash and simpleVLC player

___________________________________________________

I made a few minor changes to the icon placement in the
/usr/local/SimpleVLC/simplevlc file.

For instance a horizontal separator should be placed above the exit icon...
Here's the final version....

simplevlc.gz
Description  Remove fake extension
gz

 Download 
Filename  simplevlc.gz 
Filesize  11.05 KB 
Downloaded  27 Time(s) 
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 20:54    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
DavidS wrote:
Sage wrote:
Quote:
Version 8.0.98 is uploaded

Getting distinctly heavy for a little RPi guy to handle at ~360Mb .img ! Doing all that singing & dancing costs in terms of real estate. Not to mention the need of watching the heat dissipation/install optional heatsink. Strikes me there's room for a slim-Quirky ~150Mb, perhaps with extra careful app selection and no default options, just PPM? Who's the clever guy on this suggestion? or will we have to leave it to the maestro again?

It is easy to remove extra packages in Puppy Linux, one of its great qualities.

And ~500MB on disk makes this one of the smallest Distros for the RPi (not as small as the x86 puppies I remember weighing in under 90MB). I think the biggest part of that is Open Office, i think that is something like 150MB by itself, and I do prefer AbiWord.


Yeah, I was aiming for approx equivalence with Raspian, in terms of out-of-the-box functionality. So small size took a back seat.

Considering that Raspian download is 1.3GB, doing pretty well at 360MB.

Maybe Inkscape is an overkill. Openoffice Draw might be an OK SVG editor? -- I don't know, never tried it in that capacity.
Anyone got any experience how those two compare?

If I took out Inkscape, and there are some other places where I can trim the fat, could probably get it down to about 340MB.


But I do agree, it is "unpuppy like" to have such heavyweight applications. So, I will leave it as-is, but will probably also release a Lite version, with Abiword, Gnumeric and InkscapeLite.

Libreoffice Draw is disappointing. I opened /usr/share/pixmaps/puppy/cd_audio.svg with Draw, and it was wrong. On the otherhand, Inkscape opened it correctly.

Also, saving from Draw resulted in an incredibly verbose SVG file.

I might only use SVG files in Quirky that render properly in InkscapeLite, and stay with that.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 21:02    Post subject: Re: xz  

raffy wrote:
I can probably keep an xz'd Libreoffice in a USB drive and add it to Quirky Xerus later...

My tests of the 8.0.25 and 8.0.98 both involved corrupted background image, lost icons at next boot (PuppyPin reports an error in line2). While booting, EXT4-fs is reported to have errors. It could be that shutdown is incomplete? The board's red light is on all the time after shutdown.


I haven't experienced these problems. After shutdown, the red light stays on, you have to turn off the power to the board.

One thing about the micro-SD card in the Pi, be very careful not to turn off power while it is still running. That will very easily corrupt and even damage the SD card.

You have to power off from the menu, and only when the screen reports "no signal", then turn off power.

I recommend, play safe and turn of the power switch before unplugging anything on the Pi board.

I read recently, someone with a Pi in a rural area with unreliable power, reported going through many SD cards. Because, sudden random loss of power resulted in the SD card being damaged.
if you are in such a situation, use a UPS.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 21:06    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:

5) no nano app



all Quirkies, and pups probably, have 'mp'.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 21:12    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:

Next I tried something I hadn't done before. I attached my USB DVD burner
(LG GP30 ) . I had to attach USB power cable to another computer.

Observations: Using the burner as an audio CD player is possible with
zigbert's pCD . It's slow but once the track list is formed the music plays fine.

Asunder will rip the audio CD but it's far too slow to be useful. I would
axe that program.

______________________________________________________


I used simple VNC player to play old TV shows burnt on DVD disks.
I couldn't get the OPENMAX setting to work but the other settings worked.
Fullscreen didn't work (except for one frame)

I tried to open the DVD and play but here is the message I got...



However the individual .VOB files will play fine but not full screen.
Sound was clean.
I didn't adjust gpu_mem to be bigger.


Yeah, it's early days for SimpleVLC. I plan to add more functionality.

Good about those .vob files, one up on Omxplayer Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 21:31    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
I have three suggestions...

Put a button to launch 'set-time-for-puppy' in the initial country settings window during first set up procedure.

_________________________________________________

You should put in more links to apps in the OpenWith folder since a list of apps will show when right clicking,
and this list is formed from apps that Rox finds in the OpenWith folder
I suggest links to gtkhash and simpleVLC player

___________________________________________________

I made a few minor changes to the icon placement in the
/usr/local/SimpleVLC/simplevlc file.

For instance a horizontal separator should be placed above the exit icon...
Here's the final version....



interesting how you centralised those icons. I like that, putting that in right now.
I will be revisiting the layout, as will add more features to the window soon.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 21:48    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
Quote:
I have managed to get videos to play, though no sound on my system


Did you check your headphone jack?


hdmi_group=1
hdmi_mode=4

in my config.txt results in the sound automatically going to the headphones.

OMXplayer 3.7 worked with the newest version of Quirky arm.
It allows the sound to be routed to the TV or the headphones.

Available at www.mydrive.ch
User: porteus@don570
Password: porteus

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Not going to headphone jack, that is what hdmi_drive=2 is about.

And I do get sound when attempting to play youtube in seamonkey. Though that is sound that is not always very clear, sometimes it has a noticable wine.

Still no sound in vlc.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2016, 22:31    Post subject:  

Ok now it is playing sound. I have no idea of what I did to fix it, as I completely reconfigured everything related to sound, not sure what step fixed the problem.

I have sound in vlc, using x11, SDL, and GLX. Have not tried OpenMAX yet.
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