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Grub4dos Horribly Out Dated!
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s243a
Joined: 02 Sep 2014 Posts: 2144 |
I must of installed the wrong bootimage to the floppy because the floppy that I created only had the option of installing the bootloader to a hard drive and did not give me boot options. Anyway, from the floppy I installed the bootloader to the hard drive and re-booted. The user interface seemed dos-like outdate an I accidental deleted the partition table from one of my drives while using it. I was able to recover the deleted partition table using test disk: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-data-recovery.html http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download I noticed that there are two verions of the plop bootloader. I tried this one: https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html but there is also plopkexec: https://www.plop.at/en/plopkexec/index.html I will experiment with plop again but in the documentation of plopkexec it says that it was only the 2011 version that will fit on a floppy. Given this, I think that I will try to learn more about syslinux first and them come back to plop. For the version of plop that I tried it might be a useful tool to call from grub in the advent that you don't have a menu item configured for some os that you want to boot but besides that I think I prefer grub4dos. As a side note it was able to see the usbdrive that grub4does couldn't but I couldn't figure out how to boot the drive from plop since I didn't see how to put into it puppy-like boot paramaters. I will experiment more with it in the future though. |
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Sailor Enceladus
Joined: 22 Feb 2016 Posts: 1565 |
The laptops I prefer to buy are Pentium M business models so grub4dos is new in comparison.  Runs 7.x Puppies well tho.
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Les Kerf
Joined: 24 Jun 2012 Posts: 317 |
[quote="s243a"] ... I must of installed the wrong bootimage to the floppy because the floppy that I created only had the option of installing the bootloader to a hard drive and did not give me boot options... [quote] You probably used dd if=plpbtin.img of=/dev/fd0 which requires installing to the bootsector What you need is dd if=plpbt.img of=/dev/fd0 which does NOT require installing to the bootsector. |
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Pelo
Joined: 10 Sep 2011 Posts: 12591 Location: Mer méditerrannée (1 kms°) |
GRUB4DOS Outdated ? perhaps that is true. But it remains a fantastic, simple, powerfuf tool for boot my Puppies. Some defaults , but so many qualties. Default : puppy starts without giving choices PF2 and PF3 YOU TUBE Grub4Dos take a glance ! _________________ Passenger Pelo ! don't ask him to repair the aircraft. Don't use him as a demining dog .... pleeease. Last edited by Pelo on Sun 13 Nov 2016, 06:06; edited 2 times in total |
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Robert123
Joined: 20 May 2016 Posts: 374 Location: Pacific |
Grub4dos with .pets by Shinobar work well for me so don't care how old they are. In fact I love grub4dos easy to use. _________________ Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10 s57(2018)barebonehttps://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download |
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Pelo
Joined: 10 Sep 2011 Posts: 12591 Location: Mer méditerrannée (1 kms°) |
Robert123, i fully agree. Outdated but effficient. Screenshot : Grub4DOS browse all Puppies from SDA1 to my Pendrive, so i can boot each One (Old ACER XP).
_________________ Passenger Pelo ! don't ask him to repair the aircraft. Don't use him as a demining dog .... pleeease. |
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Mike Walsh
 Joined: 28 Jun 2014 Posts: 5540 Location: King's Lynn, UK. |
@s243a:- You say you're attempting to boot USB 3.0 drives on an older machine, yes? How are you attempting this, exactly? Directly plugged into a USB 2.0 port.....or are you using a USB 3.0 adapter card? I ask, because I myself use a USB 3.0 adapter card in my sole PCI-e x 16 slot. It works great for ultra-fast file transfer times to and from a 1TB external USB 3.0 hard drive. I also have a number of SanDisk Ultra 'Fit' USB 3.0 'nano' flash drives; assorted 32 & 64 GB. However, I've found that I simply cannot boot from a Pup installed to either the external HDD or the USB 3.0 flash drives. There seems to be something in the drive's firmware that actively prevents booting from anything other than a natively built-in USB 3.0 port. If, however, I unplug the HDD from its USB 3.0 port, and re-plug it into a spare USB 2.0 port, it will happily boot any Puppy installed on there..... I'm only posting this to make you aware that this may be a hardware-related problem, rather than anything to do with the bootloader itself. As for myself, on an all-Puppy system (8 Pups currently), Grub4DOS does all I ask of it. Works for me! I used Grub2 when I first started out in Linux 2 1/2 years ago, when I was running the 'buntus.....where it is, of course, the standard built-in bootloader. But I found it horrendously complicated.....and also found it needed regular maintenance, every time Ubuntu downloaded and installed yet another kernel update..... (*My 2000-th post! Wow; yet another milestone.....) 
Mike. 
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Pelo
Joined: 10 Sep 2011 Posts: 12591 Location: Mer méditerrannée (1 kms°) |
Walsh, merci, you will be very useful to our friend Augras. I bet his problem is the same as yours. So the solution should fit to Augras need, i suppose. Augras usb3 topic _________________ Passenger Pelo ! don't ask him to repair the aircraft. Don't use him as a demining dog .... pleeease. |
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Burn_IT
 Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 3576 Location: Tamworth UK |
Until relatively recently, USB 3 drives could not be made bootable. _________________ "Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett |
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Pelo
Joined: 10 Sep 2011 Posts: 12591 Location: Mer méditerrannée (1 kms°) |
burn it, ??? !!! I shall not buy USB 3.0 if i cannot boot them. "(*My 2000-th post! Wow; yet another milestone.....) " bravo Mike. That is what i like for a forum (which is where people meet together to exchange ideas about Puppy ).
_________________ Passenger Pelo ! don't ask him to repair the aircraft. Don't use him as a demining dog .... pleeease. Last edited by Pelo on Fri 30 Dec 2016, 15:37; edited 1 time in total |
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Burn_IT
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 3576 Location: Tamworth UK |
They are still a lot faster in a USB 2.0 slot, and it was only booting from them that was the problem in the USB 3 slot. _________________ "Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett |
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bigpup
 Joined: 11 Oct 2009 Posts: 12824 Location: S.C. USA |
I have never had a problem booting with a USB3 flash drive. Are you sure your computer can boot from all USB ports 
Format of USB
Bootloader on it
etc..... I have a very new computer, that has 2 USB ports, that will only supply power. No data. _________________ The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem. When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected 
YaPI(any iso installer) http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107601 |
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Burn_IT
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 3576 Location: Tamworth UK |
I don't have a problem, myself. I was just explaining what the problem was when USB 3 first came out. _________________ "Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett |
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drunkjedi
 Joined: 24 May 2015 Posts: 897 |
I do not have problem with USB3 drive. But have problem with USB3 port. My usb2 and 3 drives boot fine when plugged into usb2 ports. But when I plugged them in usb3 port they don't get detected for booting. I thought as my usb3 are on add on card and not built-in motherboard may be the problem. But I don't know for sure. |
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Burn_IT
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 3576 Location: Tamworth UK |
Indeed the add on card would need to be specifically bootable. Some are some aren't. (As well as the BIOS supporting USB 3 booting) _________________ "Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett |
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