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Grub4dos Horribly Out Dated!
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s243a

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2016, 07:19    Post subject:  

Les Kerf wrote:
s243a wrote:
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I wanted to put the bootloader on a floppy drive and then boot from the floppy drive to the usb external hard drive...


You may want to give the PloP Bootloader a try. I have had good success booting from floppy to USB with PloP.

https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html


I must of installed the wrong bootimage to the floppy because the floppy that I created only had the option of installing the bootloader to a hard drive and did not give me boot options.

Anyway, from the floppy I installed the bootloader to the hard drive and re-booted. The user interface seemed dos-like outdate an I accidental deleted the partition table from one of my drives while using it.

I was able to recover the deleted partition table using test disk:
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-data-recovery.html
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download

I noticed that there are two verions of the plop bootloader. I tried this one:
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html

but there is also plopkexec:
https://www.plop.at/en/plopkexec/index.html

I will experiment with plop again but in the documentation of plopkexec it says that it was only the 2011 version that will fit on a floppy. Given this, I think that I will try to learn more about syslinux first and them come back to plop. For the version of plop that I tried it might be a useful tool to call from grub in the advent that you don't have a menu item configured for some os that you want to boot but besides that I think I prefer grub4dos.

As a side note it was able to see the usbdrive that grub4does couldn't but I couldn't figure out how to boot the drive from plop since I didn't see how to put into it puppy-like boot paramaters. I will experiment more with it in the future though.
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2016, 10:42    Post subject:  

The laptops I prefer to buy are Pentium M business models so grub4dos is new in comparison. Laughing Runs 7.x Puppies well tho.
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Les Kerf

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Sep 2016, 12:30    Post subject:  

[quote="s243a"] ...

I must of installed the wrong bootimage to the floppy because the floppy that I created only had the option of installing the bootloader to a hard drive and did not give me boot options... [quote]

You probably used dd if=plpbtin.img of=/dev/fd0 which requires installing to the bootsector

What you need is dd if=plpbt.img of=/dev/fd0 which does NOT require installing to the bootsector.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Sep 2016, 01:07    Post subject: GRUB4DOS Outdated ?  

GRUB4DOS Outdated ? perhaps that is true. But it remains a fantastic, simple, powerfuf tool for boot my Puppies. Some defaults , but so many qualties.
Default : puppy starts without giving choices PF2 and PF3
YOU TUBE Grub4Dos take a glance !

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Sep 2016, 01:15    Post subject:  

Grub4dos with .pets by Shinobar work well for me so don't care how old they are. In fact I love grub4dos easy to use.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Nov 2016, 16:20    Post subject:  

Robert123, i fully agree. Outdated but effficient. Screenshot : Grub4DOS browse all Puppies from SDA1 to my Pendrive, so i can boot each One (Old ACER XP).
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Nov 2016, 19:45    Post subject:  

@s243a:-

You say you're attempting to boot USB 3.0 drives on an older machine, yes?

How are you attempting this, exactly? Directly plugged into a USB 2.0 port.....or are you using a USB 3.0 adapter card?

I ask, because I myself use a USB 3.0 adapter card in my sole PCI-e x 16 slot. It works great for ultra-fast file transfer times to and from a 1TB external USB 3.0 hard drive. I also have a number of SanDisk Ultra 'Fit' USB 3.0 'nano' flash drives; assorted 32 & 64 GB.

However, I've found that I simply cannot boot from a Pup installed to either the external HDD or the USB 3.0 flash drives. There seems to be something in the drive's firmware that actively prevents booting from anything other than a natively built-in USB 3.0 port.

If, however, I unplug the HDD from its USB 3.0 port, and re-plug it into a spare USB 2.0 port, it will happily boot any Puppy installed on there.....

I'm only posting this to make you aware that this may be a hardware-related problem, rather than anything to do with the bootloader itself. As for myself, on an all-Puppy system (8 Pups currently), Grub4DOS does all I ask of it. Works for me!

I used Grub2 when I first started out in Linux 2 1/2 years ago, when I was running the 'buntus.....where it is, of course, the standard built-in bootloader. But I found it horrendously complicated.....and also found it needed regular maintenance, every time Ubuntu downloaded and installed yet another kernel update.....

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec 2016, 12:51    Post subject:  USB 3.0 in France prevents Puppy to run.  

Walsh, merci, you will be very useful to our friend Augras. I bet his problem is the same as yours. So the solution should fit to Augras need, i suppose.
Augras usb3 topic

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec 2016, 18:50    Post subject:  

Until relatively recently, USB 3 drives could not be made bootable.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec 2016, 22:18    Post subject: I shall not buy USB 3.0 if i cannot boot them.  

burn it, ??? !!! I shall not buy USB 3.0 if i cannot boot them.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec 2016, 09:05    Post subject:  

They are still a lot faster in a USB 2.0 slot, and it was only booting from them that was the problem in the USB 3 slot.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec 2016, 10:26    Post subject:  

Burn_IT wrote:
They are still a lot faster in a USB 2.0 slot, and it was only booting from them that was the problem in the USB 3 slot.

I have never had a problem booting with a USB3 flash drive.
Are you sure your computer can boot from all USB ports Idea
Format of USB Idea
Bootloader on it Idea
etc.....

I have a very new computer, that has 2 USB ports, that will only supply power. No data.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec 2016, 11:12    Post subject:  

I don't have a problem, myself. I was just explaining what the problem was when USB 3 first came out.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec 2016, 11:57    Post subject:  

I do not have problem with USB3 drive.

But have problem with USB3 port.

My usb2 and 3 drives boot fine when plugged into usb2 ports.

But when I plugged them in usb3 port they don't get detected for booting.

I thought as my usb3 are on add on card and not built-in motherboard may be the problem.

But I don't know for sure.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec 2016, 12:23    Post subject:  

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I thought as my usb3 are on add on card and not built-in motherboard may be the problem.

Indeed the add on card would need to be specifically bootable. Some are some aren't. (As well as the BIOS supporting USB 3 booting)

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