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fredx181


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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug 2017, 09:18    Post subject:  

wiak wrote:
wiak wrote:

I'm not sure if the following is the Radeon graphics driver you need but could try it I suppose:

Code:
apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon-lts-xenial



Hi Fred,

Seems to be a recurring problem that some users having trouble with XenialDog64 because it doesn't come with the majority of xserver-xorg-video-"graphicsType" driver pre-installed, hence XenialDog64 less used than it might be since not working out-of-the-box with X for some.

I think XenialDog 32bit version, on the other hand, has these provided and the system picks up the appropriate one on booting.

wiak


Thanks, I will investigate this difference between 64 and 32 version and get back about it later.

@dancytron, thanks also, good to know and glad you found out what's missing!

Fred

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der-schutzhund

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug 2017, 10:30    Post subject:  

Hello,

Unfortunately I continue to have minor problems.
With a PC I have xenialDOG 32 bit frugal installed on a 32GBit Stick.
I tested ext2 and ext4 for the boot partition. Just like the two possible boat managers. If I boot with the stick on the notebook the backup file is never found / generated! On the PC I have executed the two commands bevore:
1. apt-get update
2. apt-get install xsever-xorg-video-radeon-lts-xenial
Then the Frugalinstallation on the stick
The background image is displayed correctly on the notebook but as soon as the icons and menus are displayed nothing is readable and triangular surfaces are displayed.

Wolfgang
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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug 2017, 10:32    Post subject:  

@wiak:

Here are 32/64 bit versions of PWF for various dogs. These are TEST VERSIONS ONLY! They use some awkward hacks to make PWF the default network manager, which Fred will eventually replace. To restore the original network manager, uninstall PWF.

1. Remove the fake .gz extension.

2. Install PWF with the usual "Right-click, Install Deb" procedure.

3. Initially, find PWF in the Network menu. The PWF tray icon will appear on the next boot.

4. Depending on the dog version, your network interfaces may get the new "cryptic" names instead of eth0/wlan0. Open the Ethernet tab and use the Names tool to enable them.

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug 2017, 15:10    Post subject:  

Thanks rcrsn51, nice work. although AFAIK all dogs have (forced in) the conventional interface names (except maybe for some test version) but it's good to have support for the cryptic names as they are becoming the standard nowadays.

Added peasywifi v4.4-1 to XD64 and XD32 repos.
Link to 64-bit: https://debiandog.github.io/xenialdog/Packages64/Extra/peasywifi_4.4-1_amd64.deb
Further also added to Stretch and Jessie 32-bit repos and to Stretch 64-bit repo (gosh, too many dogs Rolling Eyes Wink )

@der-schutzhund, Can you post your boot command line, grub4dos ? or..? and do you intend to use save folder or save file ?

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug 2017, 15:26    Post subject:  

Thanks. Regardless of the cryptic names issue, there are still places where you may need the Names procedure - like with a USB wifi dongle that identifies itself as the ethernet device usb0.
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der-schutzhund

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug 2017, 16:52    Post subject:  

Hi Fred,

this is the syslinux.cfg
Code:
default /syslinux/vesamenu.c32
menu title Boot menu
menu hshift 0
menu width 80
menu margin 2

menu background /syslinux/splash.png
menu color title   * #FFFFFFFF *
menu color border   * #00000000 #00000000 none
menu color sel      * #ffffffff #76a1d0ff *
menu color hotsel   1;7;37;40 #ffffffff #76a1d0ff *
menu color tabmsg   * #76a1d0ff #00000000 *
#menu color help      37;40 #ffdddd00 #00000000 none
menu vshift 4
menu rows 14
#menu helpmsgrow 15
# The command line must be at least one line from the bottom.
menu timeoutrow 19
menu cmdlinerow 21
menu tabmsgrow 21
menu tabmsg Press ENTER to boot or TAB to edit a menu entry
timeout 70


label XenialDog - porteus-boot Always Fresh
kernel /casper/vmlinuz
append initrd=/casper/initrd1.xz from=/ nomagic base_only norootcopy

label XenialDog - porteus-boot in RAM changes=/changes.dat
kernel /casper/vmlinuz
append initrd=/casper/initrd1.xz noauto from=/ copy2ram changes=/changes.dat

label XenialDog - porteus-boot save on Exit changes=/changes folder
kernel /casper/vmlinuz
append initrd=/casper/initrd1.xz noauto from=/ changes=EXIT:/

label XenialDog - casper-boot no-persistent
kernel /casper/vmlinuz
append initrd=/casper/initrd.lz boot=casper ignore_uuid cdrom-detect/try-usb=true showmounts union=aufs

label XenialDog - casper-boot persistent (in casper-rw)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz
append initrd=/casper/initrd.lz boot=casper ignore_uuid cdrom-detect/try-usb=true showmounts union=aufs persistent

#label floppy
#   localboot 0x00

#label disk1
#   localboot 0x80

#label disk2
#   localboot 0x81

#label nextboot
#   localboot -1

I have not changed this file!
So far I have not thought about folder or file for saving. What are the advantages and disadvantages?
I think I have completely tried everything and nothing has worked!

Wolfgang
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der-schutzhund

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Aug 2017, 16:25    Post subject:  

Code:

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.7
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 10
default 0

title XenialDog - porteus-boot Always Fresh
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ nomagic base_only norootcopy
 initrd /casper/initrd1.xz
 
title XenialDog - porteus-boot in RAM (no save)
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ copy2ram
 initrd /casper/initrd1.xz
 
title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
 initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - in RAM save on EXIT changes=/mnt/sdb1/changes.dat
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto copy2ram changes=EXIT:/changes.dat
 initrd /casper/initrd1.xz
 
title XenialDog - porteus-boot - changes=//mnt/sdb1/changes.dat
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ changes=/changes.dat
 initrd /casper/initrd1.xz
 
title XenialDog - porteus-boot in RAM - changes=/changes folder
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz noauto from=/ copy2ram changes=/
 initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

title XenialDog - casper-boot no-persistent
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper ignore_uuid cdrom-detect/try-usb=true showmounts union=aufs
 initrd /casper/initrd.lz
 
title XenialDog - casper-boot persistent (in casper-rw file or partition)
 uuid e2a59c24-0717-495e-974d-2e2c6743ba84
 kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper ignore_uuid cdrom-detect/try-usb=true showmounts union=aufs persistent
 initrd /casper/initrd.lz

title Reboot computer
  reboot

Also with this menu.lst for grub4dos it does not work! The changes.dat file is not written and not found!
Which start line in the boot menu should be selected?
Should the changes.dat file be generated from the console during a reboot?

Wolfgang
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backi

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 03:30    Post subject:  

Hi Wolfgang !
Want to ask you ......are you able to boot to Desktop ?
Seems you are still struggling with creating save file/folder.

Save-Folder is anyway better than Save-File in my opinion.
So i would advice you to boot up with this boot entry if your casper Folder is in root:

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
find --set-root /casper/vmlinuz
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

This would create automatically a save-Folder and you will be asked to save or not to save at shutdown ....or using save2flash during session (saving changes to save-folder ).

In case your casper Folder would be in a Sub-Folder ( for example in a Folder named EXAMPLEFOLDER)..... your grub4dos would look like this :

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
find --set-root /EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper/vmlinuz
kernel /EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper/vmlinuz from=/EXAMPLEFOLDER noauto changes=EXIT:/EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper
initrd /EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper/initrd1.xz



Do you have solved your Video problems?
Greetings !
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der-schutzhund

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 04:26    Post subject:  

Hallo Backi ich schreib jetzt mal auf deutsch!

Im Augenblick geht garnichts und ich denke darüber nach das ganze System in die Tonne zu treten.

Weder das Speichern der aktuellen Änderungen geht noch hat sich was an der mülligen Grafikoberfläche geändert.

Der PC besitzt folgende Partitionen:
1. ntfs
2. ntfs
3. swap

Der 32GB Stick hat folgende Partitionen
1. ext4
2. ntfs

Wenn ich mit der von dir vorgeschlagenen Option vom Stick boote
Code:
title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
find --set-root /casper/vmlinuz
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

dann kommt irgendwann die Meldung, dass er NTFS gefunden hat und daher nichts speichern kann!

Logisch wäre wenn er versucht auf dem Stick zu speichern damit das System (Linux + Speicherbackup) zusammen ist und da ist ja die ext4-Partition. Für mich sieht es jetzt so aus als ob er versucht das Backup auf die Festplatte zu schreiben und das ist erst mal nicht logisch oder?
Wie kann ich das Backup auf den Stick schreiben lassen?

Das Problem ist, ich kann ja auf der Grafikoberfläche garnichts machen da ich nichts erkennen kann. Meine einzige Möglichkeit ist also irgendwas auf der Console einzugeben.
Unter Puppy lief es genau so:
1. mit CTRL + ALT + BackSpace auf die Console wechseln
2. mit dem Befehl "xorgwizard" den richtigen Grafiktreiber auswählen
3. zurück auf die Grafikoberfläche und normal arbeiten

Unter xenialdog kann ich
1. mit CTRL + ALT + BackSpace auf die Console wechseln
2. Befehl "apt-get update"
3. Befehl "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon-lts-xenial"

Und dann hört es auf!
Wenn ich nun auf die Grafikoberfläche wechsle kann ich immer noch nichts erkennen.
Gebe ich in der console "reboot" ein dann wird wohl nichts abgespeichert!

Also was tun???

LG

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 06:35    Post subject:  

Hi Wolfgang !

Wo ist dein Xenial Dog live Folder (der den casper Folder enthält) ?
Auf der ext4 partition des Sticks?

Hast du sonst noch ein XenialDog auf dem Hard-Drive oder sonstwo ....möglicherweise auf einer ntfs Partition ? ?Dann greift dein Boot Menu möglicherweise nach dem Selben .

1. Plazier dein Xenial Dog live mal testweise in der ext4 Partition deines USB-Sticks in einen Order mit dem Namen (genauso ) EXAMPLEFOLDER .Du könntest den Ordner aber auch nennen wie du willst .
2. Dein Grub4dos menu.lst muss auf dem Stick sein .
3. Benutze mal testweise exakt folgenden menu.lst Eintrag :

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
find --set-root /EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper/vmlinuz
kernel /EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper/vmlinuz from=/EXAMPLEFOLDER noauto changes=EXIT:/EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper
initrd /EXAMPLEFOLDER/casper/initrd1.x

Natürlich dein BIOS so einrichten das du vom Stick booten kannst .
Genauso boote ich mein Xenial Dog von einem USB-Sick .......bei mir heisst der Ordner der den Xenial Dog live Ordner enthält nur eben XENIALDOG anstatt EXAMPLEFOLDER......d.h. mein XENIAL-Dog live Folder liegt nicht auf root ...sondern im Ordner mit dem Namen XENIALDOG .

Berichte was passiert
Bei dem Problem mit der Graphic OberFläche habe ich keine Ahnung .

Scheue dich nicht weiter zu fragen .

Grüsse !
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 07:05    Post subject:  

Hello der-schutzhund & backi,

Mein deutsch ist nicht so gut (so further in english Smile )

Sorry Wolfgang, I took a little too much on my shoulders (too many dogs), so can't reply on all.
But I'm sure that Dr. Backi will try to help the best he can (thanks backi Smile )

Fred
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 09:00    Post subject:  

Hallo backi, Fred

also:
auf dem PC befinden sich mehrere Puppys die per grub4dos gebootet werden. Es gibt keine installierten dogs auf der HD.

Ich boote natürlich vom Stick!
Die bootpartition auf dem Stick (ext4) hat folgende Struktur:
sdb.63s
menu.lst
grldr
casper (Verzeichnis)

das casperverzeichnis sieht wie folgt aus:
xenial-i486.sgn
initrd.lz
vmlinuz
initrd1.xz
01-filesystem.squashfs
base (verzeichnis)
optional (verzeichnis)
modules (verzeichnis)
rootcopy (verzeichnis)

alle verzeichnisse sind leer!

LG

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 09:29    Post subject:  

Hallo Wolfgang !
Hast du mal versucht Xenial Dog mit diesem menu.lst Eintrag zu starten ?

title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
find --set-root /casper/vmlinuz
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz

Du könntest vielleicht auch wahlweise den Eintrag:
find --set-root /casper/vmlinuz

durch:

find --set-root /menu.lst

ersetzen .
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 10:14    Post subject:  

Code:
title XenialDog - porteus-boot - save on EXIT changes=/changes folder
find --set-root /casper/vmlinuz
kernel /casper/vmlinuz from=/ noauto changes=EXIT:/
initrd /casper/initrd1.xz


Mit diesem Starteintrag geboot kommt die Meldung mit der Windows fat oder ntfs und das eben nichts gesichert werden kann.

Wenn ich einsetze "find --set-root /menu.lst " dann ist doch die Wahrscheinlichkeit noch höher, dass er wieder auf der HD landet denn da ist ja eine menu.lst!

Ich habe jetzt mal auch die zweite Partition auf dem Stick in eine ext4 umgewandelt und teste das auch noch!

einen Ordner mit changes hab ich auch mal von Hand angelegt.

LG

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug 2017, 10:21    Post subject:  

Bringt alle nichts. Es kommt immer die Meldung mit dem FAT / NTFS!

LG

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