Woof CE Debian Stretch and Devuan Ascii Based Development

[fredx181]

using PPM you find out the "libfm-modules" PPM-download wants 85MB for the install!

Are you sure? Yes, that would be really too much then, on DD or XD it uses only around 1MB (but strange, if pcmanfm is already installed I would expect most dependencies are satisfied for installing libfm-modules, does PPM "know" about these dependencies?, maybe not)
Btw the "actions" gives more advanced features, but with the "Open with.." you can do a lot also, of course.

Fred

[ttuuxxx]

Sorry to disagree.

ttuuxx has incredible stamina, he has invaluable programming skills, and
speed. He has a long Puppy experience.

IMO, what disqualifies him as a woof-ce manager -- if that is really what
jlst is talking about --, from what I've seen here, is that he grabs and
claims a territory, and bulldozes his ideas through.

Some of you know where I'm coming from, saying that: a co-operative
management background. I can't stand autocrats, even in pictures...

BTW, I'm not looking for the job! And before you ask: no, I don't have
many friends, because I prefer truth and fairness over flattery.

Sorry for being so frank, for raining on the parade, for not bowing
to rising stars, etc.

Nevertheless, I hope this helps forward a discussion about Puppy
management: I'm not really discussing ttuuxxx here, but an idea.

BFN

Really?? He's only talking about Debian Woofce Quote"official dpup mantainer or whatever" Really by far I've been spearheading this Line of woof Stretch anyways, Its basically just continuing what I'm doing and I'm not about ready to stop, The latest Debian woof built script now uses my Kernel I compiled as default. Plus really I haven't changed anything compared to a default puppy version other than substituting Gnumeric for MtCellEdit which is over 50% smaller. Oh and Palemoon for Firefox since its also smaller and still basically firefox. I might add some Icons and do a lot of fixes etc. You shouldn't have an issue, Heck We were suppose to get some Tim's coffee one of these days, (Maybe in the summer )
ttuuxxx

[Moat]

Although there are still some wrinkles to iron out....looks promising that the ttuuxxx variant of Dpup Stretch will provide a suitable basis for an LxPup derivative....

[Billtoo]

I did a new woof-CE auto build this afternoon, also compiled a new
kernel with the kernel kit.

System: Host: puppypc25388 Kernel: 4.9.15-4G i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.6
Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a1
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F serial: MXX9300M0F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.2 driver: nvidia
tty size: 90x28 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (4.8% used)
Info: Processes: 150 Uptime: 21 min Memory: 189.9/3153.3MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

I don't have much installed yet but so far so good

[ttuuxxx]

I did a new woof-CE auto build this afternoon, also compiled a new
kernel with the kernel kit.

System: Host: puppypc25388 Kernel: 4.9.15-4G i686 (32 bit) Desktop:

I don't have much installed yet but so far so good

Nice and congratulations
ttuuxxx

[futwerk]

large backgrounds, 1920x1080

[musher0]

Hello all.

I have the pleasure of announcing the release of a puppyfied iceWM (new
github version 1..3.12_177) for DpupStretch7 there, not here! There are
two screen captures there as well.

By puppyfied, I mean that it contains the usual script we need in Puppy to
create an icewm menu, along with its own xdg template which I imported
from pemasu's RaringPup.

This iceWm package comes in four pets: main, locales, docs and themes.
One needs the main and themes pets to get started with iceWM. (The
main pet having only the ugly default theme.)

Please also download and make executable the little Startup script called
if-icewm.sh that I put there as a zip file: neither the iceWM tray nor the
netmon_wce icon will run without it.

Any questions, please ask!

Enjoy!

[musher0]

Nice couple, eh?

[ttuuxxx]

Nice couple, eh?

That's a pretty nice couple, found some others
https://68.media.tumblr.com/c685d47a186 ... 2_1280.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/fdf40de3937 ... 1_1280.jpg
ttuuxxx

[musher0]

Yeah, nice. But those are pictures of obviously single octopuses.

Is the one with the Christmas lights a real octopus ? It doesn't seem to
have any tentacles! Beautiful animal to look at, though... from afar!

BFN.

[ttuuxxx]

Next release is up,
http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/stretch-7.0.0a1.iso <-- Iso
3d99450da65bde06c88e35133b05e1ab stretch-7.0.0a1.iso

http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/devx ... .0.0a1.sfs <-- devx
3e7b37570ce8de8ca8fd1a5b217a427b devx_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs
ttuuxxx

[zigbert]

ttuuxxx
Tested briefly you latest build - looks good !

gtkdialog is a bit old, so some advanced options fail (like tree-headers in pMusic). Please update to gtkdialog 0.8.4

Thank you for your effort
Sigmund

[musher0]

Next release is up,
http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/stretch-7.0.0a1.iso <-- Iso
3d99450da65bde06c88e35133b05e1ab stretch-7.0.0a1.iso

http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/devx ... .0.0a1.sfs <-- devx
3e7b37570ce8de8ca8fd1a5b217a427b devx_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs
ttuuxxx

Hi.

No go here: the boot stops at an "sda9" message. Debugsave folder is
attached as well as my lshw report. My sda9 HD partition is reserved for
PCLinuxOS.

My menu.lst entry for your stretch is as follows:

# 06a
title stretch7-tx22M
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/stretch7-tx22M/lance/vmlinuz quiet pkeys=cf pmedia=satahd root=/dev/ram0
pdev1=sda1 psubdir="stretch7-tx22M" max_loop=14 ramdisk_size=196000 pfix=fsck
initrd (hd0,0)/stretch7-tx22M/lance/initrd.gz
boot

Your stretch is really where it says above. This is the tree of where it
resides:

[/initrd/mnt/...tch7-tx22M]>tree -fish
.
[145M] ./devx_stretch_7.0.0a1_ttuuxxx22M.sfs
[4.0K] ./lance
[2.0K] ./lance/boot.cat
[311K] ./lance/grldr
[2.0M] ./lance/initrd.gz
[1.6K] ./lance/menu.lst
[3.5K] ./lance/menu_puppy_help.lst
[ 22K] ./lance/splash.jpg
[5.1M] ./lance/vmlinuz
[237M] ./puppy_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs
[ 40M] ./zdrv_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs

I can't figure out why the boot process is asking for it on a usb drive at
sda9.

IHTH. Best regards.

[belham2]

Well, I just loaded ttuuxxx's latest vmlinuz and initrd.gz into my various working directories of frugal installed dpup-stretches (for testing purposes), and all sorts of stuff does not work now. I even went back to the release before this one, and stuff from cherrytree to rscn's peasydisc tools to graphics programs to a whole range of things I had installed/compiled (with the original 4.1.38 and its devx) are not working.

I am jumping off this rabid-release train for now, and will go my own way in the "Puppy Derivatives" forum threads. The original 4.1.38 from a few weeks ago is stable, and everything that I have compiled against it and also installed, just works. The same is not true of these rushed last two ISO releases by ttuuxxx. Topically, they appear great, but when you start running through EVERY programa nd scripts, all sorts of problems crop up.

Good luck ttuuxxx and everyone. I hope things get worked out.....also, imho there's a lot you need to pitch (throw away) in the ISOs being released. JWM configuration manager needs to be replaced by JWM DESK Manager, at a minimum, and scripts & gtkdialog (I am up to the latest) are among many others. Stop releasing so fast and start focusing on the functionality of the pup people are going to be using. At least try to bring dpup pup up to development standardss of many other pup and pup-derivatives on murga. This is not happening in my opinion. The user needs to come into conversation at what they first are presented with when booting up a dpup.

I'll be putting my version of dpup-stretch up tomorrow hopefully once I get everything back to the way I had it yesterday. what a mess/pain. Everything was working great and then this .

Thanks everyone, and good luck!

[ttuuxxx]

Guys I hardly did many changes since the previous release. I don't see how it could corrupt apps, etc. I always load it first and check for errors and mine is working fine, has any checked the MD5sum I provide? Maybe the iso is off, I'll download both and check. BrB
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Just download and check md5sum and both checkout fine for me.
Are you guys loading other sfs by accent? Remember its a different kernel, You might have to keep an eye when booting and see if anything is being loaded that shouldn't be. I've had it running for 12hrs since this morning before I went to work.
This is my Xerrs.log


X.Org X Server 1.19.1
Release Date: 2017-01-11
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 i686 Debian
Current Operating System: Linux puppypc16459 4.1.38 #1 SMP Thu Mar 9 23:23:15 +08 2017 i686
Kernel command line: pmedia=cd
Build Date: 20 January 2017 02:28:45AM
xorg-server 2:1.19.1-4 (https://www.debian.org/support)
Current version of pixman: 0.34.0
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Mar 22 18:29:48 2017
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
resize called 1280 1024
ls: cannot access '/root/.pup_event': No such file or directory
/usr/bin/jwm
cat: /root/.packages/user-installed-packages: No such file or directory
/usr/sbin/quicksetup: line 1068: 7129 Terminated /usr/lib/gtkdialog/box_splash -placement center -close never -fontsize large -icon_width 60 -icon /usr/share/pixmaps/puppy/puppy.svg -text "$WELCOMEMSG"
Playing Sparc Audio '/usr/share/audio/2barks.au' : Mu-Law, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
EXIT="abort"

(palemoon-bin:10052): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Failed to execute child process "update-desktop-database" (No such file or directory)
gFTP Warning: Skipping line 248 in config file: entropy_source
gFTP Warning: Skipping line 251 in config file: entropy_len
gFTP Warning: Skipping line 254 in config file: verify_ssl_peer

ttuuxxx

[musher0]

Hi ttuuxxx.

I have no time for this, for hunting down those boot errors. My hunch is that
you are developing on sda9 and that you left a hard-code of it somewhere,
in the kernel or perhaps in the initrd.

Also, please provide a change log from now on, it will be greatly
appreciated. You're the senior Puppy guy on this thread, you know the drill.

Best regards.

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx
Tested briefly you latest build - looks good !

gtkdialog is a bit old, so some advanced options fail (like tree-headers in pMusic). Please update to gtkdialog 0.8.4

Thank you for your effort
Sigmund

Hi Sigmund If you still have it could you test this Gtkdialog and see if it works fine, your the king of gtldialog, So you probably would be the best tester , I had to re-compile the gexttext that came with Stretch and install some unicode perl files to make it compile right. I'm just wondering it it works fine with the default debian gettext, or if I should use my package.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Hi ttuuxxx.

I have no time for this, for hunting down those boot errors. My hunch is that
you are developing on sda9 and that you left a hard-code of it somewhere,
in the kernel or perhaps in the initrd.

Also, please provide a change log from now on, it will be greatly
appreciated. You're the senior Puppy guy on this thread, you know the drill.

Best regards.

Hi Musher I wish it was that easy I have sda1,sda2,sda4 and sdc1(portable hard drive) and that's it, Nothing over 4
ttuuxxx

[musher0]

Then I'll have to give a mouthful to Linus T. !!!