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davids45


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 18:51    Post subject: Puppies on partitions
Subject description: Fulls and Frugals
 

G'day Sailor Enceladus,

Quote:
Just out of curiosity, why do you put each puppy on a separate partition?


In a word, 'history'.

I started with Puppy as a Windows-user so each new Pup was given its own partition (it's own "C:/ drive"). And also from my Windows hang-over, I thought Full installs were likely to be better. And finding out a hard-drive could have 15 partitions (4 primary of which one was able to be extended with logical partitions up to the MS limit), I had formatted the two drives in my computers this way. These Full-Pup partitions are about 4GB each.

Today, I'm now comfortable to use new Puppies as Frugals so I can optimise my desired applications into one big sfs being used (shared) by each Frugal Pup. Much easier and quicker to see if a new Pup will do what I'd like with the applications sfs, compared to the Full route with applications tediously added one-by-one, be it via pets or links to these expanded packages on my main data partition.

I have three Frugals-only partitions at present, each about 30GB. One for the newer 32-bit Pups (presently with about twenty Pups, rapidly being taken over with my own makepups), one partition with older 32-bit Pups (about 40 maximum - I occasionally cull the very old ones as not every kernel 2.something Pup now runs all the wanted applications), and the third Frugals-partition is for 64-bit Pups (about ten) which I don't use much as my big sfs is based on 32-bit packages, and I find 32-bit is fast enough for what I mostly do on this 2005 vintage desktop.

If I had to begin again with a new computer, I'd probably not bother with so many small partitions for Full Pups, and maybe set up Frugals partitions for each breed of Pup (e.g. Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, Other) to handle the few differences that each brings to Puppy that requires tweaking to get certain applications running.

But at present, I'm still trapped within my 'history' . Smile

David S.
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perdido


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 13:53    Post subject:  

In ttuuxxx stretch-7.0.0a1 (or my remaster)

xcalc not working either from the menu or terminal.

When xcalc is launched Xserver crashes and system displays prompt.
Typing xwin restarts Xserver.

Does xcalc work for anyone?

Any ideas for a fix?

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Some additional info.
The last puppy release where xcalc works on my system is Tahr 6.0.5
xcalc also does not run in puppy xenial either. Confused

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OscarTalks


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 16:57    Post subject:  

I believe some time ago in the thread I joked about renaming xcalc as xcrash.
Some others said it was working for them but it always crashed X for me.
I tried a couple of things including a re-compile but didn't find a solution I'm afraid.
I have removed it from my remaster and compiled galculator to replace it.

In the other (woof-CE) thread I mentioned about libdbus-1.so.3 in both /lib and /usr/lib
Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

Sorry I have never tried to use printers in Puppy, but what is the status of CUPS in Stretch now?
Are we saying that we have to substitute an old Slacko 533 package (or two) within Stretch to get it to work?
If so, I wonder if we could trace the source of the problem such that we can obtain or compile something in Stretch that would fix it?

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6502coder


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 17:02    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
The last puppy release where xcalc works on my system is Tahr 6.0.5

On the other hand, Xcalc crashes the Xserver in my Tahr 6.0.6 (32-bit).
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davids45


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 18:44    Post subject: Stretch printing  

G'day OscarTalks,

Quote:
Sorry I have never tried to use printers in Puppy, but what is the status of CUPS in Stretch now?
Are we saying that we have to substitute an old Slacko 533 package (or two) within Stretch to get it to work?


I can't talk for the 'we' Very Happy but I (as a non-royal singular Wink ) have had to delete ghostscript from recent Stretches and Slackos to get my Epson printer to print. The old-gs-file fix was from rcrsn51, "whom god preserve" to quote Beachcomber, as he knows about these things.

Xenial and other Ubuntu derived Pups are fine and print without a gs problem - ummm, I see I added the sym link "ld-lsb.so.3" to ld-2.23.so in /lib in this Xenial-7.0.6 kernel 4.9.13 Pup I've started up with this morning, but can't recall if I had to or did it on 'automatic pilot' Rolling Eyes .

CUPS itself is also fine in Stretch and Slacko as far as I can tell (which is not very far Embarassed ), it's the ghostscript file that needs to be the older '533' version.

And I can't recall if Stretch will do a pdf print-to-file without the ghostscript fix - I mostly want to print on paper.

If it would help, I can do a fresh frugal of any Pup (32-bit) and check the steps to get my Epson to print on paper. Let me know what Pup.

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watchdog

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Oct 2017, 00:31    Post subject:  

OscarTalks wrote:
I believe some time ago in the thread I joked about renaming xcalc as xcrash.
Some others said it was working for them but it always crashed X for me.
I tried a couple of things including a re-compile but didn't find a solution I'm afraid.
I have removed it from my remaster and compiled galculator to replace it.


Same here. I have noticed that if you rename /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xcalc.orig then xcalc does not crash X but it's unuseable. So the problem resides in that file. I have removed xcalc and I could use galculator.
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B.K. Johnson

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2017, 22:49    Post subject:  

Hello Oscar
I am now trying your Stretch-7 on a Samsung netbook N150, which according to the lspci command uses rtl8192E/SE
Code:
Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8192E/RTL8192SE Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)2

The screenshot, strerch-interface shows an incomplete Bus and description and I cannot connect with the driver. I am able to connect with tahr-6.0.6 which as the screenshot, tahr606-interface, shows has the same driver/module but recognizes the pci bus and provides a full description.

I have also included a screenshot of the log file, stretch-7_sns log.png, which suggests a firmware problem.


Thanks for your help!
BK
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2017, 23:50    Post subject:  

For the missing wifi firmware issue read:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=97276

If you download the provided firmware sfs there is a /lib/firmware/RTL8192E dir which you can extract in the same path in your system.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Oct 2017, 13:01    Post subject:  

wpa_supplicant security risk as mentioned here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=971082&sid=f56471ea9246958db1cc645e2545b298#971082

patched wpa_supplicant for stretch available here
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/wpasupplicant

Its a .deb file from Debian.
Installed it to ttuuxxx stretch-7.0.0a1 & variants.
Connects using wireless just fine.

Thanks! to souleau for the security risk info and links to updated wpa_supplicant.

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musher0


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Oct 2017, 01:11    Post subject:  

Hello all.

Does anybody have a PAE-enabled kernel for the DPupStretch-7 ?

Or built a DPupStretch-7 variant with a PAE-enabled kernel ?

I used the "DpupStretch AND PAE" string in the forum search utility and in
duckduckgo and came back empty-handed.

I would like to test a ramdisk script on it.

TIA.

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B.K. Johnson

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Oct 2017, 15:54    Post subject:  

Hello Oscar
Re: cursor themes
I installed the pet. The cursors are in /root/.icons as you stated. I opened 2 ROX windows of /root/.icons and used ROX to set up the link to the whitelarge cursor (I think), but no joy.

At this stage, I don't even remember what I have done: default to whitelarge or whitelarge to default; relative or absolute. What I have is a directory in .icons named default, in which there is a symlink to the whitelarge directory. It does not work for me.

Should 'default' be a directory or a null text file or what?

In the past, I have used emelfm2 to set up links, but the source and destination were in different directories and the resultant link file had the same name as the source. I would greatly appreciate if you clearly spell out what I need to do I'm OK with the console.
Thanks

BK

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Oct 2017, 17:13    Post subject:  

Hello B.K,

You don't need to create more directories inside /root/.icons
Only a symlink (which looks like a directory-symlink) of the directory containing the cursors that you want to use.

So if your cursor theme files are all in /root/.icons/whitelarge (for example)
Open 1 ROX window in /root/.icons
Right click on the whitelarge directory and choose "link"
In the little dialog window that opens, set the name of this link as "default" and click the Symlink button to create it.
Restart X

An alternative would be to rename the whitelarge directory as "default" but it is better to keep the names on any cursor themes. If you have others in there and want to switch you can just change the symlink by deleting it and creating a fresh one to a different theme.
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B.K. Johnson

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2017, 09:16    Post subject:  

Hello watchdog
You wrote:

Quote:
If you download the provided firmware sfs there is a /lib/firmware/RTL8192E dir which you can extract in the same path in your system.

Thanks for the info and link.  Done and seems to work OK.
BK

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2017, 09:33    Post subject:  

About cursors i install cursor_themes-1-1.pet and then in console I run:

Code:
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2017, 09:38    Post subject:  

Thanks Oscar
Instructions were clear and worked first-time. All is well with the cursor now.

BK

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