Sorry, I had to do it.
Seems the Dell computer and Dell battery talk to each other.
Never know what Dell and Windows agreed to
Thanks for all the help. Puppy won't run with battery power
You have a Windows only battery!
Sorry, I had to do it.
Seems the Dell computer and Dell battery talk to each other.
Never know what Dell and Windows agreed to
Sorry, I had to do it.
Seems the Dell computer and Dell battery talk to each other.
Never know what Dell and Windows agreed to
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Its looking a bit like it. Any point in putting it in the bug section.bigpup wrote:You have a Windows only battery!
Sorry, I had to do it.
Seems the Dell computer and Dell battery talk to each other.
Never know what Dell and Windows agreed to
Its realy a decent laptop and I am stuck with bloatware. Lubuntu seemed as bloated.
Still thinking about the mystery
Hi number 77
Bigpup's joke reminded me to look at the Dell Power Supply. Dell ones are unique and can cause issues. If you want to research this further this is a web site that gives a description.
http://www.laptop-junction.com/toast/co ... y-revealed
And rereading your comments I see that you:
"Yes I pull out the power plug from the psu."
Now that still leaves the extra wire acting as an aerial feeding into the motherboard chips. Could you pull the power cord out of the laptop itself to make sure that is not the case?
Bigpup's joke reminded me to look at the Dell Power Supply. Dell ones are unique and can cause issues. If you want to research this further this is a web site that gives a description.
http://www.laptop-junction.com/toast/co ... y-revealed
And rereading your comments I see that you:
"Yes I pull out the power plug from the psu."
Now that still leaves the extra wire acting as an aerial feeding into the motherboard chips. Could you pull the power cord out of the laptop itself to make sure that is not the case?
Found this suggestion.
http://ccm.net/forum/affich-43478-dell- ... t-power-up
Some other suggestions from this web site:leaving the AC Adapter power cord plugged in, pulling the battery for at least 20-30 seconds, and then replacing the battery, while still plugged in, somehow resets and is then able to be powered on. No other combination seems to work for me.
http://ccm.net/forum/affich-43478-dell- ... t-power-up
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Dell Power Supply
Hi number77
A little bit of background information.
For many years (not sure about more recent machines) Dell have had unique items so that you had to buy their expensive offerings for replacement parts. I am sure that Dell would say that their system makes sure that the parts are the right quality, etc. In the case of laptop Power Supplies if you use a Universal one then it does not have the Dell communication chip and whilst it will allow you to power the laptop it will not allow you to charge the batteries and if it does not have the right Power Rating then I think it inhibits the laptops performance. Obviously, your Power Supply must be fine.
You can get none Dell Power Supplies with the right communication chip and programme because the replacement manufactures have analysed them and recreated the necessary electronics. It has been years since I read much about this but as I remember it was a device that fed in a serial data stream with voltage, power, etc information. This goes up a wire in the cable and into a receiver chip at the other end. If that chip goes wrong or the serial connection is damaged then the laptop will not work. I think I have read that sometimes the receiving chip inside the laptop has sent the wrong message int the laptop.
A little bit of background information.
For many years (not sure about more recent machines) Dell have had unique items so that you had to buy their expensive offerings for replacement parts. I am sure that Dell would say that their system makes sure that the parts are the right quality, etc. In the case of laptop Power Supplies if you use a Universal one then it does not have the Dell communication chip and whilst it will allow you to power the laptop it will not allow you to charge the batteries and if it does not have the right Power Rating then I think it inhibits the laptops performance. Obviously, your Power Supply must be fine.
You can get none Dell Power Supplies with the right communication chip and programme because the replacement manufactures have analysed them and recreated the necessary electronics. It has been years since I read much about this but as I remember it was a device that fed in a serial data stream with voltage, power, etc information. This goes up a wire in the cable and into a receiver chip at the other end. If that chip goes wrong or the serial connection is damaged then the laptop will not work. I think I have read that sometimes the receiving chip inside the laptop has sent the wrong message int the laptop.
Thing is when I originally got the the laptop it had an original dell battery and dell charger and hung on puppy. I mistakenly bought a new battery and it still hangs.
The battery does charge so is communicating with the charger.
Fully charged and disconnected from the psu it hangs on puppy but not on windows, dont think the charger comes into it.
I did try pulling battery while on psu, no effect, it hangs on battery..
The battery does charge so is communicating with the charger.
Fully charged and disconnected from the psu it hangs on puppy but not on windows, dont think the charger comes into it.
I did try pulling battery while on psu, no effect, it hangs on battery..
Which Puppy versions have you tried besides Tahr?
I previously suggested to try the older Slackware based Slacko 5.7, which works well and very compatible in my experience:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-5.7/
Also has the benefit of not being Ubuntu based which so far is where we see a problem.(Tahr, Lubuntu)
Also, some have reported that something simple like SliTaz which is independent, seemed to work where other Linux exhibited battery problems.
I previously suggested to try the older Slackware based Slacko 5.7, which works well and very compatible in my experience:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-5.7/
Also has the benefit of not being Ubuntu based which so far is where we see a problem.(Tahr, Lubuntu)
Also, some have reported that something simple like SliTaz which is independent, seemed to work where other Linux exhibited battery problems.
tahr 602 and 605, 431, 528, lubuntu and daphile a music server. I have slacko 5.7 but not sure I did try it so will.jd7654 wrote:Which Puppy versions have you tried besides Tahr?
I previously suggested to try the older Slackware based Slacko 5.7, which works well and very compatible in my experience:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-5.7/
Also has the benefit of not being Ubuntu based which so far is where we see a problem.(Tahr, Lubuntu)
Also, some have reported that something simple like SliTaz which is independent, seemed to work where other Linux exhibited battery problems.
Try this:
Get Puppy booted.
Go to menu->System->Boot Manager->Services
UN-select rc.acpi
Hit OK.
Reboot.
Make sure this ac.acpi is still UN-selected.
Now try just using the battery.
Get Puppy booted.
Go to menu->System->Boot Manager->Services
UN-select rc.acpi
Hit OK.
Reboot.
Make sure this ac.acpi is still UN-selected.
Now try just using the battery.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
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When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
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Re: Dell Power Supply
Hi, number 77.peterw wrote:Hi number77
A little bit of background information.
For many years (not sure about more recent machines) Dell have had unique items so that you had to buy their expensive offerings for replacement parts. I am sure that Dell would say that their system makes sure that the parts are the right quality, etc. In the case of laptop Power Supplies if you use a Universal one then it does not have the Dell communication chip and whilst it will allow you to power the laptop it will not allow you to charge the batteries and if it does not have the right Power Rating then I think it inhibits the laptops performance. Obviously, your Power Supply must be fine.
You can get none Dell Power Supplies with the right communication chip and programme because the replacement manufactures have analysed them and recreated the necessary electronics. It has been years since I read much about this but as I remember it was a device that fed in a serial data stream with voltage, power, etc information. This goes up a wire in the cable and into a receiver chip at the other end. If that chip goes wrong or the serial connection is damaged then the laptop will not work. I think I have read that sometimes the receiving chip inside the laptop has sent the wrong message int the laptop.
I've got an ancient Inspiron lappie, an original 1100 from 2002. The first battery lasted 10 years; the power brick at that time was still working fine. The replacement battery pack was a 'generic' one from the Far East.
The power brick gave up the ghost around a year ago. I bought a 'Dell pattern' replacement, which had no problem charging the then 4-yr old battery.
6 months ago, the replacement battery pack also gave out. So I bought another 'generic' one, again from somewhere 'East of Suez', as we say here in the UK. It, too, works quite happily with the replacement power brick, and the laptop works fine just running on battery.
At the same time, I went through several frustrating weeks of the Inspiron thoroughly misbehaving itself, which was eventually traced to a dead CMOS battery. This was a rechargeable item, which by then had lasted just a hair shy of 14 years!
It was soldered direct to the motherboard, on the underside.....which necessitated a thorough strip-down to get at it. My soldering skills are mediocre at best, but I managed to get the thing replaced successfully. Since then, she's been as good as gold.
Have you ever checked or replaced said item on your machine? They can give rise to the most exasperating (and hard to diagnose) behaviour..!
Mike.
If I remember correctly, you found that it runs fine on battery if left displaying the bios screen - but not if running xorg or sitting at prompt.
There is one more thing I could suggest as a troubleshooting step - try booting from CD and entering pfix=ram BUT don't hit enter - just let it sit showing the boot prompt.
At that point, as far as I am aware, it is not running Linux code - just running the boot loader code. It would be interesting to see what it does then.
There is one more thing I could suggest as a troubleshooting step - try booting from CD and entering pfix=ram BUT don't hit enter - just let it sit showing the boot prompt.
At that point, as far as I am aware, it is not running Linux code - just running the boot loader code. It would be interesting to see what it does then.
I can disconnect psu and it sits there saying boot: pfix=ram.greengeek wrote:If I remember correctly, you found that it runs fine on battery if left displaying the bios screen - but not if running xorg or sitting at prompt.
There is one more thing I could suggest as a troubleshooting step - try booting from CD and entering pfix=ram BUT don't hit enter - just let it sit showing the boot prompt.
At that point, as far as I am aware, it is not running Linux code - just running the boot loader code. It would be interesting to see what it does then.