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EasyOS Pyro 1.2.9, Buster 2.1.9 December 9, 2019
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lp-dolittle

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Oct 2019, 04:28    Post subject: EasyOS running totally in RAM
Subject description: tom22251 method
 

@ tom22251

Hi Tom,

thanks to the help of Alfons who provided me with additional detailed instruction (including some modifications), I meanwhile managed to create a bootable/removable SD-card following your tom22251 method.

Using an (old) ide-harddisk as an external drive, the same procedure did not work so far, but I will continue testing and report the results.

thanks again for your help!

kind regards

Jürg
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Oct 2019, 04:56    Post subject: Re: Battery app not updating.  

BarryK wrote:
rooftop wrote:
I've made another small change to the battery app so that the icon will update immediately (well, within 15 seconds anyway) when the charging status changes rather than waiting until the battery percantage changes.

I've also added more comments as requested by Barry Smile


Thanks very much for looking into that! I have downloaded your code, keen to try it.


Applet updated, now 2.7:

https://bkhome.org/news/201910/powerapplettray-updated-to-version-27.html

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lp-dolittle

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 06:35    Post subject: running easyOS totally in RAM
Subject description: tom22251 method
 

@ tom22251

Hi Tom,

just to let you know, your 'crude' method for running EasyOS totally in RAM after booting from an external drive and having the option to save data onto this same drive (when reinserted before shutdown) basically works also with external sata-harddrives (2.5 inch; usb-connected).

As already mentioned, the older 2.5 inch ide-HD's do not offer this option.
I was successful when using your 'method modified by Alfons'

kind regards

Jürg
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tom22251


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 14:45    Post subject: reply to lp-dolittle  

to lp-dolittle:

that's exellent news Jürg.

I'm glad you succeeded and congratulations.
Just out of curiosity I'd like if you'd
supply some details about the machine (PC)
you used and wheather it has any internal drives or
only this external one.

I'm asking this because by doing some
more experiments on my machines:

- Dell Optiplex 980.........around 2011 built
- HP Compaq 8200 Elite......around 2012
- Dell Latitude 2120 Laptop.around 2009

They all behave differently and require different
aproche. The Optiplex boots only with legacy methods,
which is extlinux/syslinux/isolinux or grub(I never use this}
On the other hand the HP desktop PC only boots UEFI exept
the internal drive does both UEFI and extlinux.
The laptop being the oldest boots consistently by extlinux.

So I'm just curious how your PC behaves regarding these methodes.
Thanks for your frequent reporting about your progress.
Wish you further good luck, bee well.

Tom
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lp-dolittle

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 16:02    Post subject: EasyOS running totally in RAM
Subject description: tom22251 method
 

@ tom22251

Hi Tom.

while configuring the external drive, I left the laptop's internal hard-drive (Seagate 7200 4; 500 GB) in place. Meanwhile I removed it, and your method continues working!

To provide you with more detailed information, I created a hardware-info report and 2 screenshots.

kind regards and thanks again

Jürg
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frenchiveruti

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 17:54    Post subject:  

Hi Barry, thanks for the 2.1.7.
Will test it thoroughly when I get my hands on the computer that has it installed.
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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2019, 20:30    Post subject:  

Quote:
- Dell Optiplex 980.........around 2011 built
- HP Compaq 8200 Elite......around 2012
- Dell Latitude 2120 Laptop.around 2009

They all behave differently and require different
aproche. The Optiplex boots only with legacy methods,
which is extlinux/syslinux/isolinux or grub(I never use this}


I have a Dell Optiplex 990 (which is essentially the same as 980)
and it works fine with grub.

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Machine also works with LICK
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/uefi-lick.html

but I only tried it with fadog64 linux and Windows 10
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tom22251


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2019, 10:03    Post subject: reFind, UEFI, extlinux, grub, EasyOS
Subject description: reply to lp-dolittle, don570
 

Thank you Jürg for the report, looks good.

I still don't quite know how the UEFI method
worked, did it work smoothly or you had to
make some changes to the reFind configuration file?
Thanks.

To don570:

Hi Don,
and thank you for your observations.
You are right, the Optiplexes are basically similar,
and true, grub is fine. I don't use it just because
it looks more confusing to me than extlinux, which
seems simpler with fewer files. Extlinux 4.03 acctually
has only 2 files: ldlinux.sys and extlinux.conf.
And it takes a 16 color background image too, in .lss format.
With UEFI machines it seems BarryK's method is the simplest,
I only changed text only mode to allowing a small logo
to apear in the menu, just by adding the line:

Code:
icon /EFI/BOOT/icons/easy.png


to the reFind configuration file.

And yes, Fatdog is exellent too, with lots of
good bootloaders, I didn't have to try LICK,
the reason being no Windows of any kind on
my machines, some of them don't even have internal
drives, just 2, 4, or 8 GB memory.
My last Windows was W95, 12 years ago. Since then
only Puppies and now mostly EASY OS.
So thanks again and btw, we are compatriots, I'm
in Ontario too.

Take care all,
Tom

p.s.
I've learned about the EXTLINUX method from linuxcbon,
maybe 8 years ago or so. So thanks to him too.
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lp-dolittle

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2019, 15:37    Post subject: tom22251 method
Subject description: UEFI compatibility
 

@ tom22251

Hi Tom,

so far, I could test the tom22251 method on only 1 UEFI machine (a Dell 2720, all in one, i7-processor).
EasyOS-2.1.7 booted flawlessly, irrespective of the BIOS/UEFI-settings (legacy or UEFI; fastboot disabled)
I was not required to modify the refind file in any way.

I hope this information is helpful, in view of your aim at additionally testing extlinux.

kind regards

Jürg

edit 03.11.2019:

maybe, this additional remark also is of interest to you:

today, I had the opportunity to test the tom22251 method on a Mac Book Air 13 inch (Mid 2012; 1.8 GHz i5 Intel core; 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3; Intel HD graphics 4000 1536 MB).
Booting the Mac Book Air from EasyOS-217 (installed on a SD-card which is inserted into a card-reader and connected to the Mac via an usb-interface) seems to work, but EasyOS - in this case - does not offer the option to choose a specific video mode at startup and finally hangs(?) just before the last step (opening the splash screen) with the message:

root (automatic login)
Waiting for kernel video drivers to load: 1 2 i915

I, so far, was not able to find a workaround. While running Mac OS High Sierra, the Mac Book's video resolution is set to 1440x900.

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2019, 01:17    Post subject: Getflash  

I tried to use getflash to install flash, but it wasn't working. After a bit of digging around and looking in the Getflash forum I got it working after making the following 2 changes:

    1. Changed VERSION_URL in getflash-conf from adobe.com/software/flash/about to get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about
    2. Added the --no-hsts option to the wget command for VERSION_URL


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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 06:55    Post subject: Re: Getflash  

rooftop wrote:
I tried to use getflash to install flash, but it wasn't working. After a bit of digging around and looking in the Getflash forum I got it working after making the following 2 changes:

    1. Changed VERSION_URL in getflash-conf from adobe.com/software/flash/about to get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about
    2. Added the --no-hsts option to the wget command for VERSION_URL


Attached are the altered files.

- Neal


Thanks very much for fixing it. I have updated the PET, now version 1.9:

https://bkhome.org/news/201911/getflashplayer-updated-to-version-19.html

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ras

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 20:39    Post subject:  

Iv'e been playing around with containers and hope someone can provide some tips or workarounds to two difficulties I have run into. I am running easy as a frugal install to a m2 ssd inside my laptop.

The first involves getting a sfs package installed to a container. When I am online and able to access the sfs repo, sfs get will download and then offer to install, with what I assume is another script, maybe sfs package installer? When I am not online, (which is at home unfortunately), the lack of connectivity will not allow sfs get to bring up the package installer. (calling the gui returns an error because I am offline) and will not load. Is there a way to install a sfs manually in easy? Either fooling the gui or with a shell in a terminal? I am trying to use sfs's I have copied from other easy installs using sfs get, and also sfs's I create with dir2sfs.

the second involves using the Easy Container app. I am hoping to run palemoon portable.tar.gz, (uncompressed of course), in a container, but need to add it to the dropdown list inside the "Create" feature at the bottom of the Easy Container. Is there a configuration file for the dropdown, or a place to register palemoon, so that the dropdown is populated?
Thanks

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Nov 2019, 06:54    Post subject:  

Ha ha, two weeks is long enough, new versions Pyro 1.2.8 and Buster 2.1.8:

https://bkhome.org/news/201911/easy-pyro-128-and-buster-218-released.html

The same changes in both of these releases, see release notes.

The next release? I'm hanging out for the 5.4 kernel, to make use of the new "lockdown" security feature. Will probably aim for the next releases of Pyro and Buster when the 5.4.1 kernel is available.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Nov 2019, 07:09    Post subject:  

ras wrote:
Iv'e been playing around with containers and hope someone can provide some tips or workarounds to two difficulties I have run into. I am running easy as a frugal install to a m2 ssd inside my laptop.

The first involves getting a sfs package installed to a container. When I am online and able to access the sfs repo, sfs get will download and then offer to install, with what I assume is another script, maybe sfs package installer? When I am not online, (which is at home unfortunately), the lack of connectivity will not allow sfs get to bring up the package installer. (calling the gui returns an error because I am offline) and will not load. Is there a way to install a sfs manually in easy? Either fooling the gui or with a shell in a terminal? I am trying to use sfs's I have copied from other easy installs using sfs get, and also sfs's I create with dir2sfs.

the second involves using the Easy Container app. I am hoping to run palemoon portable.tar.gz, (uncompressed of course), in a container, but need to add it to the dropdown list inside the "Create" feature at the bottom of the Easy Container. Is there a configuration file for the dropdown, or a place to register palemoon, so that the dropdown is populated?
Thanks


Yes, you have identified areas that need attention.

For a start, "sfsget" needs to work off-line, so for an already-downloaded SFS, you can choose to install it in a new container.

Secondly, that "Create" feature in Easy Containers needs to be expanded.

If you have a tarball that you want to install in a new container, the Create button could be expanded to handle that. Or, an SFS.

Note that SFSs need to be created by the 'dir2sfs' script. So, if you exoand the tarball to a folder named in format packagename_version_amd64, then you can run dir2sfs to convert it to a SFS.

But then, Easy Containers will still need to be expanded to recognise it. I have added this to the to-do list.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Nov 2019, 20:38    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Ha ha, two weeks is long enough, new versions Pyro 1.2.8 and Buster 2.1.8:

https://bkhome.org/news/201911/easy-pyro-128-and-buster-218-released.html

The same changes in both of these releases, see release notes.

The next release? I'm hanging out for the 5.4 kernel, to make use of the new "lockdown" security feature. Will probably aim for the next releases of Pyro and Buster when the 5.4.1 kernel is available.


Radeon 580 Video card.

USB Buster 2.1.8 O.K.

USB and ISO Pyro 1.2.8 will not start X.

Same kernel? vmlinuz are different sizes on Buster and Pyro.

This problem is way above my pay scale.
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