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don570


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2020, 16:55    Post subject: Nvidia sound doesn't work  

continuing this post

I connected my TV to my computer using HDMI cable....

I did a check of the HDMI sound output from a NVIDIA gtx 1030 card,
and as I suspected there is no sound transmitted on HDMI cable, just video.
I did hear one click noise when I tried to play a video file. Crying or Very sad
Alsamixer said the sound is 'OFF' and I can't change the setting using
alsamixer.

Raspberry pi does work with this TV.
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Image shows alsamixer output....

I also checked a USB sound card dongle (which does work) to see how it is reported.
The command 'lsusb' doesn't mention the dongle but does mention a bluetooth dongle.

The command 'lspci' does mention 'NVIDIA Corporation GP108 High Definition Audio'
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Code:
# lsusb
Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
Bus 002 Device 008: ID 8086:0808 Intel Corp.
Bus 002 Device 007: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05dc:a209 Lexar Media, Inc. JumpDrive S70
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 056a:0065 Wacom Co., Ltd MTE-450 [Bamboo]
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 090c:1000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) Flash Drive
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub




Code:
# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller (rev 09)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200/2nd Generation Core Processor Family PCI Express Root Port (rev 09)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:16.3 Serial controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family KT Controller (rev 04)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (Lewisville) (rev 04)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev b4)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev b4)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev a4)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Q67 Express Chipset Family LPC Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation SATA Controller [RAID mode] (rev 04)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 [GeForce GT 1030] (rev a1)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2020, 17:23    Post subject:    

Good evening,
with the system just started I see the following connection in the ipinfo statistics tab:
Quote:
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.166:53124 104.20.16.242:80 TIME_WAIT
tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN

the connection 104.20.16.242 seems to be cloudflare related, it only happens to me with easy-2.2, on the other puppies that I use, when the system is just started, I get the following:
Quote:
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN

Does it happen to someone else?
To be precise I noticed this connection after installing firefox_60.8.0-esr-buster_amd64.sfs as a container.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2020, 22:12    Post subject:  

I have improved sound profiling:

https://bkhome.org/news/202001/improved-hardware-profiling-for-audio.html

It does have a limitation, cannot distinguish between computers with exactly the same sound chip.
I might be able to handle that. I need to see if any of my computers have the same chip -- I don't think so though, as they are of very different vintages.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan 2020, 04:56    Post subject:  

Auronius wrote:
Here is EasyOS website: https://easyos.org/
If you want Puppy with XFCE, why not to try this one first: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=117201
It is Debian Buster compatible, just like EasyOS 2.2


Yes, thank you, but I could'nt find a tutorial explaining how to get this result and I would like to learn how to do it and train myself. I think it is very important to be able to do it ourselves as well as rely on the work of others, because we could teach kids and share knowledge.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan 2020, 07:02    Post subject: Re: XFCE desktop replacement  

lvds wrote:
Hi everyone,

Does anyone have a how-to document to replace the standard desktop with another one ? I'm trying to install XFCE and remove all the un-needed stuff but i'm quite lost in here. I hope to build a good looking build but I also want to get rid with the stuff not used anymore.

By the way is there a thread somewhere for EasyOS Buster derivatives builds like there are for puppy ?

Kind regards


By "builds" do you mean that you want to build your own EasyOS derivative?

Easy is built with woofQ. There is no forum thread, there is only a tarball download, which has some docs in it. Intended for experienced developers, no hand-holding. Hosted here:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/easyos/project/woof/

I usually upload a new tarball whenever there is a new release.

Or, if you want to remaster EasyOS to produce your own variant, it can be done, but there is no documenation.

Easy is pretty much tied into using JWM and ROX-Filer. XFCE is possible but would be a lot of work.

So I recommend go for Puppy, and it is already done, there are XFCE-based puppies.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan 2020, 07:11    Post subject:  

lvds wrote:
Auronius wrote:
Here is EasyOS website: https://easyos.org/
If you want Puppy with XFCE, why not to try this one first: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=117201
It is Debian Buster compatible, just like EasyOS 2.2


Yes, thank you, but I could'nt find a tutorial explaining how to get this result and I would like to learn how to do it and train myself. I think it is very important to be able to do it ourselves as well as rely on the work of others, because we could teach kids and share knowledge.

Kind regards.


OK. The word to search for is "remastering", for example:

http://wikka.puppylinux.com/Remastering

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan 2020, 09:58    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
lvds wrote:
Auronius wrote:
Here is EasyOS website: https://easyos.org/
If you want Puppy with XFCE, why not to try this one first: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=117201
It is Debian Buster compatible, just like EasyOS 2.2


Yes, thank you, but I could'nt find a tutorial explaining how to get this result and I would like to learn how to do it and train myself. I think it is very important to be able to do it ourselves as well as rely on the work of others, because we could teach kids and share knowledge.

Kind regards.


OK. The word to search for is "remastering", for example:

http://wikka.puppylinux.com/Remastering


Great Smile thank you very much. I was considering buying a chromebook because of the january sales here and was planning to reformat it for using puppy or EasyOs, but after reading this thread i wonder if this is still a good idea. Is there any hardware problem at running EasyOs on a chromebook ? which chromebook would be the best choice (whatever the price) ?

Kind regards,
Laurent.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan 2020, 18:38    Post subject:  

It is possible to find the USB sound card on fatdog64 .
It doesn't give manufacturer name.
I haven't tested with EASY.
Code:

# aplay -l | grep '^card '
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC269VB Analog [ALC269VB Analog]
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
card 2: Device [USB PnP Sound Device], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
# lspci -d ::0403
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan 2020, 08:24    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
It is possible to find the USB sound card on fatdog64 .
It doesn't give manufacturer name.
I haven't tested with EASY.
Code:

# aplay -l | grep '^card '
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC269VB Analog [ALC269VB Analog]
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
card 2: Device [USB PnP Sound Device], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
# lspci -d ::0403
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
#


This might help you to determine if a sound card is pci or usb, by looking at the path:

Code:
# readlink /sys/class/sound/card[0-9]


When my usb sound "card" arrives, I plan to use the above to detect it, then hopefully be able to track that path back to the IDs for that device, as returned by 'lsusb'.

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan 2020, 08:25    Post subject:  

Just a heads-up. I found a few bugs in the Multiple Sound Card Wizard. If it misbehaves for you, I have probably fixed it, for the next release.
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan 2020, 20:15    Post subject:  

RE: remastering
https://bkhome.org/linux/easyos-a-simple-and-secure-linux-distribution.html
Quote:
EasyOS, a simple and secure Linux distribution
January 06, 2019 — BarryK

EasyOS, also known as Easy OS, Easy Linux, or just "Easy", is an experimental distribution, a "new paradigm"; a blend of the best ideas from Puppy and Quirky, and a fundamental rethink of the security, maintainability and ease-of-use.


Barry, Does your fundamental rethinking include features already found in Easy that might offer practical alternatives to remastering?

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan 2020, 20:26    Post subject:  

ras wrote:
RE: remastering
https://bkhome.org/linux/easyos-a-simple-and-secure-linux-distribution.html
Quote:
EasyOS, a simple and secure Linux distribution
January 06, 2019 — BarryK

EasyOS, also known as Easy OS, Easy Linux, or just "Easy", is an experimental distribution, a "new paradigm"; a blend of the best ideas from Puppy and Quirky, and a fundamental rethink of the security, maintainability and ease-of-use.


Barry, Does your fundamental rethinking include features already found in Easy that might offer practical alternatives to remastering?


I am getting forgetful in my dotage ...actually, I have always been forgetful, I remember my dad telling me that I would lose my head if it wasn't screwed on.

Anyway, Easy has menu "Setup -> Remaster Easy Linux". I did this ages ago, in the early days of easy, and completely forgot it is there.

This creates a new 'easy.sfs'. menu "Setup -> Remove inbuilt packages" can be used to ewmove whatever you don't want, then you install what you want, then you create the new easy.sfs.

Just trying it now, interesting. If you you want to see what it actually does, the menu entry runs /usr/sbin/easy-remaster

So, EasyOS DOES SUPPORT REMASTERING!


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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan 2020, 20:50    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
williams2 wrote:
I think you can create software cards in /etc/asound.conf
which can change the card numbers.
I don't know whether that could change the order of the "hardware" cards.
You can. But you can't do it with /etc/asound.conf. You need to do it with /etc/modprobe.conf because the order is set at module-load time (i.e, at boot time).

Here is mine:
Code:
# lspci -d ::0403
04:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device 15de
04:00.6 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 15e3
# aplay -l | grep '^card '
card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC255 Analog [ALC255 Analog]
card 1: HDMI [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]

Without anything, I will get HDMI as the 'card 0' and the analog soundcard as 'card 1', which is no good because I don't have a TV connected to my HDMI port.
To swap it, this is what I use in /etc/modprobe.conf.d/swap-card.conf:
Code:
options snd-hda-intel id=HDMI index=1


If you don't have any alsa configuration at all, no asound.conf, nothing to affect snd module parameters, etc., will alsa always default to using card 0 and device 0 for sound output? and ctrl 0?

Also, there doesn't seem to be any utility that will return the current default card, device and ctrl numbers. I suppose it is possible to find that info in /sys/sound?

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jan 2020, 02:27    Post subject: EasyOS Pyro 1.3, Buster 2.2.3, December 27, 2019  

Installed to a 32gb flash drive with easydd:

Summary
Computer
Processor 2x Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Memory 4037MB (264MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Easy Buster64
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Fri Jan 17 23:14:44 2020
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer NVC1
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
VGA compatible controller NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
(prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel (using this one)
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

I used sfsget to install the devx amd kernel source sfs, attempted to install the
proprietary nvidia driver but had no success with that,
(may have used the wrong method?)

The nouveau driver is working okay for watching videos on youtube etc.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jan 2020, 14:32    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
ras wrote:
RE: remastering
https://bkhome.org/linux/easyos-a-simple-and-secure-linux-distribution.html
Quote:
EasyOS, a simple and secure Linux distribution
January 06, 2019 — BarryK

EasyOS, also known as Easy OS, Easy Linux, or just "Easy", is an experimental distribution, a "new paradigm"; a blend of the best ideas from Puppy and Quirky, and a fundamental rethink of the security, maintainability and ease-of-use.


Barry, Does your fundamental rethinking include features already found in Easy that might offer practical alternatives to remastering?


I am getting forgetful in my dotage ...actually, I have always been forgetful, I remember my dad telling me that I would lose my head if it wasn't screwed on.

Anyway, Easy has menu "Setup -> Remaster Easy Linux". I did this ages ago, in the early days of easy, and completely forgot it is there.

This creates a new 'easy.sfs'. menu "Setup -> Remove inbuilt packages" can be used to ewmove whatever you don't want, then you install what you want, then you create the new easy.sfs.

Just trying it now, interesting. If you you want to see what it actually does, the menu entry runs /usr/sbin/easy-remaster

So, EasyOS DOES SUPPORT REMASTERING!



Thank you very much !! I love it Smile
Now we need a thread "My EasyOs is better looking than yours !" where everyone will post screenshots. Probably the best video game ever Wink

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