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EasyOS version 2.3, May 29, 2020
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lvds


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar 2020, 09:15    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
My own words, because I've read your writtings in the blog about the largest size of the distribution: for having work long years with office tools with friends, we found gnumeric, abiword, mtpaint useless. They may be lighter than LibreOffice and gimp, but they are buggy and useless. It would be a much better choice to simply remove them and let the user download SFS files (LibreOffice, GIMP, or even Abiword and Gnumeric if someone really want them...)


I forgot to say that it would be best to let the user chose its web browser and email software instead of having seamonkey inside the distribution, and it would be great to have this as part of the installation process. So, when someone installs EasyOs, he could select its own office tools, web browser, and email software, which will be then downloaded as SFS files and put in place in its own install ! Smile

Really that would be great. And one step further, during the installation process, the user could also select its own favorite desktop (with JWM as default, then XFCE, KDE etc...) Smile

By using EasyOs lasts months I've found weird things in the bottom panel, I will try to make a list and explain in a later post, but really it is somehow confusing for a new user coming from KDE or XFCE. I recall when I was building puppy in series 2 that it was the one of the firsts thing people were often telling me Smile

Laurent

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar 2020, 09:18    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

sorry, wrong button. Can a moderator delete this post ?
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar 2020, 17:08    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Yay, 2.2.14 is out! See blog post:

https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html



Hi Barry and all,

I'm using EasyOs previous release and I could not find in the blog
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html
how to upgrade inside EasyOs. Did I miss something or do we have to re-install each time ? In case there is a tools to easy upgrade, I think it would be great to have it explained into the installation help.


...Ok I finally found HOW TO UPGRADE, here is the link
https://easyos.org/user/easy-version-upgrade-and-downgrade.html

I think it deserves to be in the blog post about the release
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html
as something like this:

- If you need installation help etc...
- If you need to upgrade (or downgrade) etc...

Laurent Wink
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar 2020, 19:25    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
we found gnumeric, abiword, mtpaint useless. They may be lighter than LibreOffice and gimp, but they are buggy and useless.

If you found a bug in mtPaint, feel free to name it. If you did not, please stop lying.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Mar 2020, 20:31    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Yay, 2.2.14 is out! See blog post:
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html

And still the included mtpaint is 3.49.12 from year A.D. 2016. Is there a reason for not upgrading?
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 05:56    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

wjaguar wrote:
lvds wrote:
we found gnumeric, abiword, mtpaint useless. They may be lighter than LibreOffice and gimp, but they are buggy and useless.

If you found a bug in mtPaint, feel free to name it. If you did not, please stop lying.


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I've often distributed puplets to people and mtpaint is well known for not having the same comfort as drawing tools found in ubuntu or mint distributions for instance. Have a look at the latest mint release, they have a software called draw if I remember well. If only mtPaint could be as easy !

Laurent
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 06:05    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
lvds wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Yay, 2.2.14 is out! See blog post:

https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html



Hi Barry and all,

I'm using EasyOs previous release and I could not find in the blog
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html
how to upgrade inside EasyOs. Did I miss something or do we have to re-install each time ? In case there is a tools to easy upgrade, I think it would be great to have it explained into the installation help.


...Ok I finally found HOW TO UPGRADE, here is the link
https://easyos.org/user/easy-version-upgrade-and-downgrade.html

I think it deserves to be in the blog post about the release
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html
as something like this:

- If you need installation help etc...
- If you need to upgrade (or downgrade) etc...

Laurent Wink


Hi Barry, bad news: upgrade crashed.

Quote:
How to upgrade
Replace the three files vmlinuz, initrd and easy.sfs in the boot-partition, with those of the new version.
Click on initrd to automatically "fix" the BOOT_SPECS file inside it.
Reboot, and you have upgraded.


I did it all. Initrd thing went fine. I told myself "now reboot", the cpu went near 99%, I told myself "let it work", it worked all night long, then 10 hours later or so, it was still running at 99% speed and the computer never stopped. I finally decided to press the stop button to shutdown the computer. I tried to boot my pendrive again but it is stuck on the syslinux blue screen. I guess I need to re-format my pendrive ?

Laurent
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 06:33    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
I'm using EasyOs previous release and I could not find in the blog
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html
how to upgrade inside EasyOs. Did I miss something or do we have to re-install each time ? In case there is a tools to easy upgrade, I think it would be great to have it explained into the installation help.


https://easyos.org/user/easy-version-upgrade-and-downgrade.html

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 06:38    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
Also, I would like to know if the SFS and PET I have in Puppy BionicPup64 8.0 can be used in EasyOs ?


No, those used in EasyOS have a special format. Note, they are created by the 'dir2sfs' utility.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 06:49    Post subject:  

wjaguar wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Yay, 2.2.14 is out! See blog post:
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html

And still the included mtpaint is 3.49.12 from year A.D. 2016. Is there a reason for not upgrading?


I used an old PET from the Pyro series of EasyOS. I have written a note to myself to compile the latest for the Buster series.

Note, mtPaint is my regular image processing GUI app.
I find it extremely useful for reducing the size of png image files, using "Effects -> Transform Colour -> Posterize", mostly when I take a snapshot of a window.
Even though Easy has Gimp, I never use it.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 06:55    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:

Quote:
How to upgrade
Replace the three files vmlinuz, initrd and easy.sfs in the boot-partition, with those of the new version.
Click on initrd to automatically "fix" the BOOT_SPECS file inside it.
Reboot, and you have upgraded.


I did it all. Initrd thing went fine. I told myself "now reboot", the cpu went near 99%, I told myself "let it work", it worked all night long, then 10 hours later or so, it was still running at 99% speed and the computer never stopped. I finally decided to press the stop button to shutdown the computer. I tried to boot my pendrive again but it is stuck on the syslinux blue screen. I guess I need to re-format my pendrive ?

Laurent


Please post the content of the "fixed" BOOT_SPECS file, and the result of running 'blkid' on the boot and working partitions of the pendrive.

Running some other Easy, you can click on the 'initrd' file of the "broken" pendrive and open it up to retrieve the BOOT_SPECS file.

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lp-dolittle

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 07:49    Post subject: old IDE/SATA drives
Subject description: usb3 IDE/SATA adapter
 

@ belham2

Hi belham2,

in order not to 'overuse' usb flashsticks, I use to test new EasyOS releases after dd-ing the respective *.img or *.iso files onto old 2.5 inch IDE or SATA HDs which are connected to a laptop via an 'usb3 SATA/IDE adapter' (similar to that described in Barry's 'resurrection of the goosee diagrammer' post from March 12th).

The method works fine, and so far expanding of the partitions to the full drive space never proved to be a problem, but it should be mentioned that I only used relatively small HDs (up to 80 GB).

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Mar 2020, 14:34    Post subject: Re: upgrades  

lvds wrote:
I've often distributed puplets to people and mtpaint is well known for not having the same comfort as drawing tools found in ubuntu or mint distributions for instance

This sentiment, I know. People like what they like (mostly whatever they encountered first, it seems) and there is no changing it (without a large PR budget). Conversely, I dislike GIMP's UI so mtPaint is the answer, for me.
Quote:
Have a look at the latest mint release, they have a software called draw if I remember well.

This one? https://maoschanz.github.io/drawing/
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If only mtPaint could be as easy !

Technically, it maybe could. Smile If someone who isn't me designed an UI of his dreams, mtPaint's V-code engine makes adding said UI as an option a simple enough task. But, given that the present interface is exactly what is easy for me, I think it's obvious why outside influence is needed for that. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Mar 2020, 05:47    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
wjaguar wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Yay, 2.2.14 is out! See blog post:
https://bkhome.org/news/202003/easyos-version-2214-released.html

And still the included mtpaint is 3.49.12 from year A.D. 2016. Is there a reason for not upgrading?


I used an old PET from the Pyro series of EasyOS. I have written a note to myself to compile the latest for the Buster series.

Note, mtPaint is my regular image processing GUI app.
I find it extremely useful for reducing the size of png image files, using "Effects -> Transform Colour -> Posterize", mostly when I take a snapshot of a window.
Even though Easy has Gimp, I never use it.


mtPaint 3.49.25 has been compiled, will be in next release.

https://bkhome.org/news/202003/mtpaint-34925-compiled.html

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Mar 2020, 12:37    Post subject: Easypup-2.2.14-en.iso
Subject description: running in RAM
 

@ Barry

Hi Barry,

since this thread seems to have become the preferred EasyOS as well as EasyPup forum, I mention an EasyPup-related Comment here.

Running EasyPup-2.2.14 on a laptop with an internal drive (sda1) from an external IDE-HD onto which I dumped the easypup-2.2.14-en.iso, I was faced with the following phenomenon:
EasyPup-2.2.14 correctly discovers an already existing Easypup save file in sda1 and offers to either upgrade this file (by pressing ‹Enter›) or to boot into RAM exclusively (by pressing any ‹printable character›). Choosing the second option results in the expected quick-setup screen, but surprisingly sda1 proves to be mounted simultaneously and cannot be unmounted!

If there are 2 (I think more than one) Easypup save files available in sda1, booting exclusively into RAM works fine, provided the ‹0 option› is selected in the spontaneously appearing list.


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