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Easy Linux 0.5 pre-alpha, released Oct. 02, 2017
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L18L

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 11:47    Post subject: Re: installed on gpt hard disk  

BarryK wrote:
What excites me about this, is if you have a UEFI-firmware computer, Easy will have a built-in boot manager, just a couple of changes to the refind.conf config file, and it will autodetect all other OSs and add them to the menu -- this is so cool.

Yeah really.
If old computers are those which are older than 3 years then it was really time to get puppies work out of the box with EFI and GPT.

What about EFI Secure Boot Wink

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Gyle

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 12:02    Post subject: devx-8.3-xerus64.pet download  

Hi all,
Has anyone succeeded in downloading the devx-8.3-xerus64.pet these last days?
The download failed four times at these two links:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/amd64/packages/pet_packages-xerus/devx-8.3-xerus64.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/easyos/amd64/packages/pet_packages-xerus/devx-8.3-xerus64.pet

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ally


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Location: lincoln, uk

PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 13:56    Post subject:  

first link ok, second link 404

also available here: https://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/quirky/quirky6/amd64/packages/pet_packages-xerus/

and mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Devx

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don570


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Location: Ontario

PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 14:41    Post subject: syslinux.cfg needs revision  

I tracked down the spelling error 'Filsystem check'

The reason why Barry couldn't see the problem was because he uses UEFI computers now.

I use an older IBM computer that uses syslinux and the text is
located in syslinux.cfg .
A simple change should be all that is needed.
Here's the old version....
Code:
ui menu.c32

menu title Easy OS
default normal
timeout 100

label normal
menu label Normal startup
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw

label fsck
menu label Filsystem check
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw qfix=fsck

label nox
menu label Commandline only, do not start X
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw qfix=nox

label bak
menu label Rollback (delete read-write layer)
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw qfix=bak
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Gyle

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 14:41    Post subject: devx-8.3-xerus64.pet download  

ally,
thank you very much.

Nluug: I stopped downloading the file to 364 M (devx = 334M) - speed 3 times higher than my limit.
Mirror: The other link does not display the correct devx.

I think my internet connection, or my machine, has a problem.
I'll try again in a few days.
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ally


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 15:22    Post subject:  

http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Devx/devx-8.3-xerus64.pet

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Gyle

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 16:18    Post subject: devx-8.3-xerus64.pet download  

ally, thanks again, but: "download error" !
My bad machine...
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ally


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 16:46    Post subject:  

try from terminal

Code:
wget http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Devx/devx-8.3-xerus64.pet


see if that works

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 19:59    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
belham2 wrote:
Barry or all,

Can anyone answer the question posted here?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109958&start=225


Also, a very crazy question: excluding 'frugal' installing Easy, which I've given up upon because of Container issues, is it possible (if you've fully installed Easy to a USB thumbdrive) to then run Easy (from that thumbdriv) completely in RAM? Say, using the grub4dos entry of "pfix=ram"? Or is running fully in RAM not possible given how Easy is structured and such?


Thank you for any help/answers.


You mean, so that nothing at all gets saved? So, you will bootup each time a pristine system.

Easy has a read-write layer which is a folder in the working partition (see /mnt/wkg/.session), so everything is automatically saved.

However, you can wipe it at every bootup, with the boot parameter "qfix=bak".

That will give you the same effect as running totally in RAM.

Actually, it is on my to-do list for 0.6, to tweak that "qfix=bak" a bit.
So that it doesn't roll right back to a first-bootup situation, but to last saved session.

In other words, setup your internet etc, save the session, then if you have "qfix=bak" it will just roll back to that saved session.
So, almost-pristine, but with your basic configurations so don't have to setup Internet etc at every bootup.


Ok, done. Will be in 0.6.

If you setup Internet, etc., then go to menu:

Filesystem -> Easy Version Control

and save the session.

Edit syslinux.conf (or refind.conf in upcoming 0.6) to have the boot parameter "qfix=bak", and that's it, a clean system at every bootup.

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 20:13    Post subject: Re: Easy OS 0.5
Subject description: keyboard layout setting; pen drive activity
 

lp-dolittle wrote:
thank you Mr. Kauler for the Easy OS 0.5 release

running it from a pen drive on a Dell Latitude E6500 laptop (4GB RAM; Intel graphics chip), I'm impressed with the improvements since Easy OS-version 0.2, yet the previously reported keyboard setting issue is still present. The Swiss German layout only can be chosen via the XKB configuration manager, and is spontaneously reset after each restart of X. Remarkably, the setting only works if the choice 'ch Switzerland' is confirmed at least twice!! The same issue is present in Quirky Xerus64 8.3 final.
Furthermore, I notice ongoing frequent intermittent flickering of the pen drive even if Easy OS 0.5 actually is 'idle', i.e. if I'm not running a specific program. What about this pen drive activity; the drive was prepared according to the new EasyDD-instructions? Does it indicate, that Easy OS preferably should be installed on an internal hard drive? Does this permanent activity affect the pen drives durability?

kind regards


I have added that keyboard issue to the to-do list.

Regarding the pen drive activity, can you tell me the value of variable QSFS_PATH in file /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE

... that will tell me if q.sfs got loaded into RAM, or is mounted from the pen drive.

if the former, QSFS_PATH=/mnt/q_ro
If the latter, QSFS_PATH will be to wherever q.sfs is on the pen drive.

If q.sfs is left on the pen drive, mounted from there, that could account for extra drive activity.

Otherwise, an app could be doing it. /var and /tmp are tmpfs filesystems (in RAM), so writes to those won't cause pen drive activity.

Read/writes from/to /root will.

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017, 20:21    Post subject: Re: syslinux.cfg needs revision  

don570 wrote:
I tracked down the spelling error 'Filsystem check'

The reason why Barry couldn't see the problem was because he uses UEFI computers now.

I use an older IBM computer that uses syslinux and the text is
located in syslinux.cfg .
A simple change should be all that is needed.
Here's the old version....
Code:
ui menu.c32

menu title Easy OS
default normal
timeout 100

label normal
menu label Normal startup
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw

label fsck
menu label Filsystem check
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw qfix=fsck

label nox
menu label Commandline only, do not start X
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw qfix=nox

label bak
menu label Rollback (delete read-write layer)
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.q rw qfix=bak


Ah, great, thanks for going to that trouble, to track that one down.

I will fix it.

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belham2

Joined: 15 Aug 2016
Posts: 1356

PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 04:03    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
BarryK wrote:
belham2 wrote:
Barry or all,

Can anyone answer the question posted here?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109958&start=225


Also, a very crazy question: excluding 'frugal' installing Easy, which I've given up upon because of Container issues, is it possible (if you've fully installed Easy to a USB thumbdrive) to then run Easy (from that thumbdriv) completely in RAM? Say, using the grub4dos entry of "pfix=ram"? Or is running fully in RAM not possible given how Easy is structured and such?


Thank you for any help/answers.


You mean, so that nothing at all gets saved? So, you will bootup each time a pristine system.

Easy has a read-write layer which is a folder in the working partition (see /mnt/wkg/.session), so everything is automatically saved.

However, you can wipe it at every bootup, with the boot parameter "qfix=bak".

That will give you the same effect as running totally in RAM.

Actually, it is on my to-do list for 0.6, to tweak that "qfix=bak" a bit.
So that it doesn't roll right back to a first-bootup situation, but to last saved session.

In other words, setup your internet etc, save the session, then if you have "qfix=bak" it will just roll back to that saved session.
So, almost-pristine, but with your basic configurations so don't have to setup Internet etc at every bootup.


Ok, done. Will be in 0.6.

If you setup Internet, etc., then go to menu:

Filesystem -> Easy Version Control

and save the session.

Edit syslinux.conf (or refind.conf in upcoming 0.6) to have the boot parameter "qfix=bak", and that's it, a clean system at every bootup.



Gracias, Barry! This actually moves Easy up to another notch in the 'wowzers' department, if you ask me Wink
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lp-dolittle

Joined: 25 Apr 2016
Posts: 33

PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 05:12    Post subject:  

@ Barry

the value of variable QSFS_PATH is: QSFS_PATH=' /mnt/q_ro '

So, as far as I can understand, q.sfs should be loaded into RAM, and the variable QSFS_PATH cannot explain the pen drive activity.

For good measure, I send to you a screenshot

Tank you for paying attention also to the keyboard (Intel graphics chip) issue

kind regards
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 05:40    Post subject: Swiss German keyboard layout issue  

@ L18L

thank you for your help!

Not familiar with the meaning of 'Sango', I, so far, did not chose this option. Tried now, but this variant also needs additional fine tuning via the XKB configuration manager, and the main problem - the reset of the keyboard layout during every restart of X - remains.

Please, keep in view that this issue obviously is related to the Intel graphics chipset, as reported in previous posts

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Oct 2017, 07:16    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
BarryK wrote:
BarryK wrote:
belham2 wrote:
Barry or all,

Can anyone answer the question posted here?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109958&start=225


Also, a very crazy question: excluding 'frugal' installing Easy, which I've given up upon because of Container issues, is it possible (if you've fully installed Easy to a USB thumbdrive) to then run Easy (from that thumbdriv) completely in RAM? Say, using the grub4dos entry of "pfix=ram"? Or is running fully in RAM not possible given how Easy is structured and such?


Thank you for any help/answers.


You mean, so that nothing at all gets saved? So, you will bootup each time a pristine system.

Easy has a read-write layer which is a folder in the working partition (see /mnt/wkg/.session), so everything is automatically saved.

However, you can wipe it at every bootup, with the boot parameter "qfix=bak".

That will give you the same effect as running totally in RAM.

Actually, it is on my to-do list for 0.6, to tweak that "qfix=bak" a bit.
So that it doesn't roll right back to a first-bootup situation, but to last saved session.

In other words, setup your internet etc, save the session, then if you have "qfix=bak" it will just roll back to that saved session.
So, almost-pristine, but with your basic configurations so don't have to setup Internet etc at every bootup.


Ok, done. Will be in 0.6.

If you setup Internet, etc., then go to menu:

Filesystem -> Easy Version Control

and save the session.

Edit syslinux.conf (or refind.conf in upcoming 0.6) to have the boot parameter "qfix=bak", and that's it, a clean system at every bootup.



Gracias, Barry! This actually moves Easy up to another notch in the 'wowzers' department, if you ask me Wink



Hi Barry,

Am I misunderstanding 'qfix=bak'?

On my full-Easy-0.5 install to a 16GB USB SDHC card, I did exactly like you wrote. Set my Internet (again). I used Easy Version Control, and saved the session. Plus, also saved both the default Containers for Seamonkey and urxvt. I then added "qfix=bak" boot parameter to the 'normal startup' in the syslinux.cfg file on partition sda1.

I rebooted. Let Easy automatically use the new "normal" boot entry with the qfix=bak boot parameter.

And, nothing from the 'bak' (all my browser settings, jwm tray settings, little programs added like redshiftgui) were loaded up. Isn't the whole idea of running in RAM-only is so a person can unplug their USB SDHC card, and be double safe (Containers being first line of defense) when on the Internet in not worrying about wherever they go and do? Easy 0.5 with 'qfix=bak' is still mounting & locking sda2 Exclamation

I figure I must not be understanding this...sorry Crying or Very sad

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